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Old October 12th, 2017, 02:29 PM   #1
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Default Paris to ban all gas-powered cars by 2030

They are already banning all diesel cars by 2024. And this is a real ban as oppose to France and other countries that are only banning the selling of cars.

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The noise of car engines revving around the streets of Paris might become just a memory.

In its latest initiative to reduce air pollution, Paris City Hall wants gasoline-powered cars off the roads by 2030. The controversial move announced Thursday follows Mayor Anne Hidalgo's plan to ban all diesel cars from the city by 2024, when Paris will host the Summer Olympics.

Speaking on France Info radio, the Paris deputy mayor in charge of transport, Christophe Nadjovski, said "we have planned the end of thermic vehicle use, and therefore of fossil energies, by 2030."

Many Parisians don't own a car, but Hidalgo still has angered many of them with her efforts to make Paris a greener city, notably by adding cycling paths that have slowed vehicle traffic along the Seine River. Her detractors have accused her of waging a war against cars.

Wary of those critics, Paris City Hall issued a statement Thursday insisting the 2030 deadline isn't a proper ban, but "a feasible and realistic" goal. The statement added that Paris officials would keep discussing the issue with residents and car makers in the coming months.

Paris has faced rising air pollution in the last few years. Some pollution spikes have been so bad they forced City Hall to bar half of all cars from travelling and to make public transportation free for several days.

Hidalgo has been seeking to reduce pollution with a series of measures. She has launched a program banning traffic from the famed Champs-Elysees Avenue once a month, introduced rental bicycles in the streets as well as a fleet of electric cars to encourage residents to leave their polluting vehicles at home.

In September 2016, Paris authorities decided to close a 3.5-kilometre downtown road and transform it into a promenade. A year later, the body measuring air pollution said the move had no significant impact on residents' exposure to carbon emissions across the whole city.

With her ambition of taking gasoline-powered cars off the Paris roads by 2030, Hidalgo wants to go faster than the French government. Environment Minister Nicolas Hulot has said he wants to banish from France all fossil fuel cars by 2040.

"This government goal affects the whole French territory, rural zones included," the Paris City Hall statement said. "If we want to achieve this, it implies that the end of diesel and gasoline should take place several years in advance in urban areas, and particularly in big cities."
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Old October 13th, 2017, 12:10 PM   #2
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so is this for electric car marketing busines?
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so is this for electric car marketing busines?
Things like this tend to happen when you pay the right amount of money to the right group of people.


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Old October 13th, 2017, 01:22 PM   #4
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so is this for electric car marketing busines?
and for bicycles too. No this is just people in power doing what they can to keep, this planet habitable.

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Things like this tend to happen when you pay the right amount of money to the right group of people.
If you mean corruption, just say corruption don't sugar coat it.

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I'm sure Elon Musk is salivating over this. He and other 'green technology' investors already get hundreds of millions, if not billions, of dollars a year of government incentives and subsidies. Now governments are eliminating all their competition over questionable and often false claims. Yep, there is absolutely no dirty dealings here, for as we all know that politicians have never accepted bribes from businesses to promote anti-competitive regulations. Yep, that has never happened before, no sir-e
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and for bicycles too. No this is just people in power doing what they can to keep, this planet habitable.
Or this is just French politicians being bribed.

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If you mean corruption, just say corruption don't sugar coat it.
What I mean is that you're vocal about your thought on corruption in the USA, for instance, and how the oil and coal companies influence politicians and senators to do what they want so that their businesses are protected. What I was saying is that, can't we also assume that the exact same thing happens when we see people creating laws that favour "green" companies like electric cars manufacturers or solar/photo-voltaic panels manufacturers. Basically, both lines of thought are equally valid.


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Or this is just French politicians being bribed.


What I mean is that you're vocal about your thought on corruption in the USA, for instance, and how the oil and coal companies influence politicians and senators to do what they want so that their businesses are protected. What I was saying is that, can't we also assume that the exact same thing happens when we see people creating laws that favour "green" companies like electric cars manufacturers or solar/photo-voltaic panels manufacturers. Basically, both lines of thought are equally valid.
Except that in France corruption is illegal. In the US its not.

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I'm sure Elon Musk is salivating over this. He and other 'green technology' investors already get hundreds of millions, if not billions, of dollars a year of government incentives and subsidies. Now governments are eliminating all their competition over questionable and often false claims. Yep, there is absolutely no dirty dealings here, for as we all know that politicians have never accepted bribes from businesses to promote anti-competitive regulations. Yep, that has never happened before, no sir-e
When those industries becomes profitable and are able to survive on their own they won't need subsidies anymore and we should stop giving them those subsidies I bet you would like that.

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Except that in France corruption is illegal. In the US its not.
Just because it's illegal doesn't mean it doesn't happen. My argument is still valid when it comes to US politicians creating laws that favour green companies. Do you have any evidence that the USA government enforces corruption or allows it to happen?


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Just because it's illegal doesn't mean it doesn't happen. My argument is still valid when it comes to US politicians creating laws that favour green companies. Do you have any evidence that the USA government enforces corruption or allows it to happen?
If you want to talk about corruption you should start another thread I'll answer your question than.

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I saw some study where to make and operate an eletric car in the US is not that much eco-friendlier than a fossil fuel one, since most of the power in the US is made from thermoelectric power plants. Still, to make the electric car, you need to mine and refine lithium which is a very dirty process too, especially because lithium batteries have a shorter lifespan than fuel tanks and they serve the same purpose technically. I mean if most of your power grid are nuclear reactors or hydroelectric dams, sure, it can be cleaner in the long run, but for now we are too dependent on fossil fuels to be able to make the transition naturally.

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I saw some study where to make and operate an eletric car in the US is not that much eco-friendlier than a fossil fuel one, since most of the power in the US is made from thermoelectric power plants.
This may be partially true for the US, but is certainly not true for EU.

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Still, to make the electric car, you need to mine and refine lithium which is a very dirty process too, especially because lithium batteries have a shorter lifespan than fuel tanks and they serve the same purpose technically.
As more batteries are made, technology will improve.
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I saw some study where to make and operate an eletric car in the US is not that much eco-friendlier than a fossil fuel one, since most of the power in the US is made from thermoelectric power plants. Still, to make the electric car, you need to mine and refine lithium which is a very dirty process too, especially because lithium batteries have a shorter lifespan than fuel tanks and they serve the same purpose technically. I mean if most of your power grid are nuclear reactors or hydroelectric dams, sure, it can be cleaner in the long run, but for now we are too dependent on fossil fuels to be able to make the transition naturally.
It depends where you live how power is generated and you can easily find that out with a quick google search. Even in a country like the US they are places where electricity comes in majority from renewable sources. And if you lives somewhere that is not the case nothing stops you from installing solar panels on your roof and charge your car with that.

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This may be partially true for the US, but is certainly not true for EU.



As more batteries are made, technology will improve.
Yes, demand breeds innovation, but when you try to force it down like this, it can only gp bad.

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It depends where you live how power is generated and you can easily find that out with a quick google search. Even in a country like the US they are places where electricity comes in majority from renewable sources. And if you lives somewhere that is not the case nothing stops you from installing solar panels on your roof and charge your car with that.
What if I live in an apartment in a city? Or simply live in a poorer country and cannot afford neither an electric car nor solar panels nor the electricity bills.

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Is there any evidence of bribery here? If it is bribery, then I think we can all agree that that is wrong. However, I don't think that it's obviously bribery. Realistically, this is just a logical step towards a more eco-friendly world as the population continues to grow and climate change continues to sink islands.
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