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Old November 18th, 2017, 04:22 AM   #41
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I don't like the protesting thing for two reasons.

First, in my opinion the national anthem is an inappropriate time to protest. That being said, it is far worse for a President, that has at the very least been accused of being racist to talk about the protest without commenting on racism. Just saying, "they should say 'your fired!'" just divides us more.

Secondly, no one knows who is protesting what anymore. Are you protesting Donald Trump or Police brutality against African Americans? Not nearly as many people protested until Trump had his foolish comments?


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Old November 19th, 2017, 05:05 AM   #42
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I don't like the protesting thing for two reasons.

First, in my opinion the national anthem is an inappropriate time to protest. That being said, it is far worse for a President, that has at the very least been accused of being racist to talk about the protest without commenting on racism. Just saying, "they should say 'your fired!'" just divides us more.

Secondly, no one knows who is protesting what anymore. Are you protesting Donald Trump or Police brutality against African Americans? Not nearly as many people protested until Trump had his foolish comments?
Well it might end up getting both Goodell and Jerry Jones out of the league so at least Trump's comments would have done one good thing. Now if he can get Snyder and Spanos out too that would be nice.

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Old November 25th, 2017, 10:20 PM   #43
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You do have a point. What the hell are Americans protesting against? It's an honest question. What do your protests plan to achieve and what do they strive for?

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Old November 26th, 2017, 04:46 AM   #44
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You do have a point. What the hell are Americans protesting against? It's an honest question. What do your protests plan to achieve and what do they strive for?
To start a discussion about cops murdering unarmed black people.

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Old November 27th, 2017, 03:19 AM   #45
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First, in my opinion the national anthem is an inappropriate time to protest.
Why do you think so?

It's a nationalist tradition. They don't even do stuff like this in other countries. They think it's too nationalistic and weird.

It's a peaceful protest. He was taught by a Marine to kneel instead of sitting to show respect. So he did.

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Secondly, no one knows who is protesting what anymore. Are you protesting Donald Trump or Police brutality against African Americans? Not nearly as many people protested until Trump had his foolish comments?
This is true.

I wish people would focus on the original issue of Police brutality.

But I also believe that Trump's Authoritarian comments deserved protest.

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You do have a point. What the hell are Americans protesting against? It's an honest question. What do your protests plan to achieve and what do they strive for?
To call attention to the unequal amount of black people (mostly unarmed) who are killed by our police force.

Once Trump said they should be fired, a lot of them started protesting Trump's authoritarianism.

People seem to have forgotten the original cause.

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Old November 27th, 2017, 11:03 PM   #46
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Why do you think so?

It's a nationalist tradition. They don't even do stuff like this in other countries. They think it's too nationalistic and weird.

It's a peaceful protest. He was taught by a Marine to kneel instead of sitting to show respect. So he did.
I realize that my first point is controversial but that is my opinion on the matter. It's a time of reverence and respect not a time to try to prove a point


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Old November 28th, 2017, 12:30 AM   #47
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I realize that my first point is controversial but that is my opinion on the matter. It's a time of reverence and respect not a time to try to prove a point
Alright, I understand. So you disapprove of people protesting the anthem.

But don't you think that peaceful protest is a part of free speech and our first amendment?
Don't you think that what Trump said was an attempt at authoritarianism by trying to silence peaceful protest?

The original purpose was not to "prove a point", it was to call attention to a problem in America (It worked pretty well, but people have forgotten the original cause)
And when Trump tried to get peaceful protestors fired, that was Authoritarianism.
Veterans would be honored that we're using our right to peacefully protest against an authoritarian in office trying to disrupt free-speech.

If the NFL wants to set rules, fine.
But this is NO place for government to step in. Trump overstepped his bounds.

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Old November 29th, 2017, 02:42 AM   #48
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Alright, I understand. So you disapprove of people protesting the anthem.

But don't you think that peaceful protest is a part of free speech and our first amendment?
Don't you think that what Trump said was an attempt at authoritarianism by trying to silence peaceful protest?

The original purpose was not to "prove a point", it was to call attention to a problem in America (It worked pretty well, but people have forgotten the original cause)
And when Trump tried to get peaceful protestors fired, that was Authoritarianism.
Veterans would be honored that we're using our right to peacefully protest against an authoritarian in office trying to disrupt free-speech.

If the NFL wants to set rules, fine.
But this is NO place for government to step in. Trump overstepped his bounds.
I didn't say that you can't protest during the anthem, I said that I felt it was inappropriate and disrespectful. I never mentioned amendments. You can protest anything that you want for the other 23 hrs and 57 mins a day and have my support.

Yes, in was even more inappropriate for Donald Trump to step in.


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Old November 29th, 2017, 06:10 AM   #49
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I didn't say that you can't protest during the anthem, I said that I felt it was inappropriate and disrespectful. I never mentioned amendments. You can protest anything that you want for the other 23 hrs and 57 mins a day and have my support.

Yes, in was even more inappropriate for Donald Trump to step in.
Its not more inappropriate or disrespectful than the people in the crowd who are texting, talking, cheering or eating during the anthem, at least the players are kneeling for a reason.

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Old November 29th, 2017, 02:48 PM   #50
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1. can't believe this topic is still alive

2. what is kneeling really achieving?

3. Kappernick will be a short lived household name

4. I agree trump should have stayed out of it

5. IF Kappernick & the other NFL players really wanted to make a difference they could start sending $$ to support different causes.
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Old December 29th, 2017, 04:53 PM   #51
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2. what is kneeling really achieving?
Bringing attention to a problem. Making people think about it.

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5. IF Kappernick & the other NFL players really wanted to make a difference they could start sending $$ to support different causes.
. . . But he has tho . . .

http://kaepernick7.com/million-dollar-pledge/

https://www.gq.com/story/colin-kaepe...-dollar-pledge

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