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Old November 12th, 2006, 03:02 PM   #21
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I do the same thing.
It sucks because if we try to remove it the crazy Christians come screaming...... calling us traitors and all that shit. Yelling their false claims of how America was founded by Judeo Christian beliefs
Ok its the first time I read this (thanks to lord servant) and I totally agree... Yesterday I copyed the first post to my aunt and I told her it should be removed... then she was like WHAT ARE YOU CRAZY? and I was like NO! and then she almost started screaming at me that this nation was founded under god, and all that shit... then she started giving some weirdo reasons, and I ended up saying whatever...

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Old November 12th, 2006, 03:30 PM   #22
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lol very typical

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature, and has no chance of being free unless made or kept so by the exertions of better men than himself John Stuart Mill
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Old November 12th, 2006, 04:39 PM   #23
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this country is pathetic: filled with racist white people who forced my ancestors over here and now oppress my people.
LOL typical.
That was a VERY VERY ignorant thing to say.
watched any Jesse Jackson keep the black man down speaches lately?

Now slavery was very very bad but think, where would most of the black population be. They would be in africa getting killed by militia with ak's, most of them wouldn't even be alive


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Old November 12th, 2006, 04:52 PM   #24
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At our school you do not have to say it if you don't want to. You don't have to say any of it. They encourage it but you don't have to.

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Old November 12th, 2006, 05:21 PM   #25
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I dont say the pledge at all usually. Why should I give my allegiance to a country? to anything?

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Old November 12th, 2006, 05:23 PM   #26
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LOL typical.
That was a VERY VERY ignorant thing to say.
watched any Jesse Jackson keep the black man down speaches lately?

Now slavery was very very bad but think, where would most of the black population be. They would be in africa getting killed by militia with ak's, most of them wouldn't even be alive

sounds to me like you are saying enslaving the africans was a good thing

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Old November 12th, 2006, 05:25 PM   #27
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sounds to me like you are saying enslaving the africans was a good thing
This ^ is what I am talking about.
I guess you didn't read the
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Now slavery was very very bad
god damnit

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Old November 12th, 2006, 05:27 PM   #28
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then what do you mean by saying "look where else you would be"? You make it seem like we did the blacks a favor.

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Old November 12th, 2006, 05:29 PM   #29
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Now I fucking don't.
See this is how the US is now. You even fucking mention slavery your automatically a racist. Its sickening.

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Old November 12th, 2006, 09:09 PM   #30
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See and then u people get angry when I say something about the atheists. You are guided by Satan.
PLZ CNVRT TTO MAH RLGONS!

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Old November 12th, 2006, 11:16 PM   #31
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Satans got nothing on me
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Old November 12th, 2006, 11:22 PM   #32
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Yeah, lol Satan's frickin Jesus Christ compared to me.

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Old November 12th, 2006, 11:31 PM   #33
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All science is lies created by Satan to blind you from the path of the glorious lord Jesus Christ

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Old November 13th, 2006, 08:27 AM   #34
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LOL that made me laugh
But how did this turn out th be a pledge debate to a slavery?? *shakes head*
Anyways, it should be removed... students half banned it in california, I think thats the first step. Too bad all (or half) our friends don't think about it as we do... lol VT debates has changed all my way of thinking

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Old November 13th, 2006, 11:10 AM   #35
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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Should "Under God" be removed from the pledge of allegiance?
What will this.. 'CRAP' do? Will saying a few words hurt you Phantom? Scar your pride?

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Old November 13th, 2006, 01:38 PM   #36
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I think this topic is so overrated. Wow, it says "under God", not "scream fire in a crowded movie theatre".

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Old November 14th, 2006, 10:26 AM   #37
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I don't really get what the big deal is...

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Old November 14th, 2006, 10:32 AM   #38
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American = Lacist
Pledge = Religious = Not lacist.

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Old November 14th, 2006, 10:39 AM   #39
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No the pledge is there to try and build patriotism
considering america has gone through some prety tough shit like a major player in 2 world wars and then the nasty ass cold war then shit like vietnam, desert storm, etc....and now iraq and afganistan

the under god part is there because america as a country has ALWAYS had a VERY large christian population
the government is made up out of the people
so it makes sense

and seriously its a few words
i dont belive in gob but i dont think its that big a deal
when i was in public school i used to have to say a big prayer every morning
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Old November 14th, 2006, 10:45 AM   #40
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Still, a country doesn't need a religion... if the state's lacist why does there have to be GOD in the pledge?? you might think thats ridiculous, but think about UE... Turkey hasn't been accepted because they are muslim, and to enter UE the state has to be christian... but isn't UE laicist??

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