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Old April 17th, 2018, 03:43 PM   #61
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My question to all Christians is the concept of hell- a lot of Christians seem to think as long as someone believes in god and repent their sins, their in Heaven!
This scenario sums it up:

Lets say there is a good-willed and kind gay/bi guy who doesn't believe in god- HELL

Lets say there is a mass murderer and serial rapist, but he was baptized and fully believes in God.. And he repented - HEAVEN!

What about all those children in remote African countries who die in mass numbers- they didn't even have a chance or probably weren't even exposed to the bible, why should they burn in hell? Do you believe they should burn in hell?

If so why? Why should mass murderers who repent be sent to a paradise while innocent children burn in eternal hell-fire?
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Old April 18th, 2018, 05:35 AM   #62
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My question to all Christians is the concept of hell- a lot of Christians seem to think as long as someone believes in god and repent their sins, their in Heaven!
This scenario sums it up:

Lets say there is a good-willed and kind gay/bi guy who doesn't believe in god- HELL

Lets say there is a mass murderer and serial rapist, but he was baptized and fully believes in God.. And he repented - HEAVEN!

What about all those children in remote African countries who die in mass numbers- they didn't even have a chance or probably weren't even exposed to the bible, why should they burn in hell? Do you believe they should burn in hell?

If so why? Why should mass murderers who repent be sent to a paradise while innocent children burn in eternal hell-fire?

Firstly, children and those who do not have the capacity to understand go to heaven anyway.

Secondly, what is good? People can be good in human standards, but not be acceptable to God. This is because we are all sinners and only His grace can save us. If we are not covered by His grace then we are accountable for our own sins. And as we all sin we would be guilty of sin and unable to enter His presence. So it isn't about the human standards of what is good that lead to heaven or hell, but about who is accountable for the sin: either ourselves or Jesus.
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Old April 18th, 2018, 01:26 PM   #63
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Firstly, children and those who do not have the capacity to understand go to heaven anyway.

Secondly, what is good? People can be good in human standards, but not be acceptable to God. This is because we are all sinners and only His grace can save us. If we are not covered by His grace then we are accountable for our own sins.
Okay that first sentence is nice to know, but i think good/bad in some cases in pretty obvious..
A selfless person who is good willed= Good
A murderer/rapist with no remorse= Bad
But who cares about being kind in life because Jesus.

With that view, why be kind? Why don't i just go and murder millions of people? It'll all be cool in the end as long as i repent and worship the lord.
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Old April 18th, 2018, 01:32 PM   #64
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Okay that first sentence is nice to know, but i think good/bad in some cases in pretty obvious..
A selfless person who is good willed= Good
A murderer/rapist with no remorse= Bad
But who cares about being kind in life because Jesus.

With that view, why be kind? Why don't i just go and murder millions of people? It'll all be cool in the end as long as i repent and worship the lord.
IT doesn't work like that, you'd have to be truly sorry for what you did for a start

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Old April 18th, 2018, 03:34 PM   #65
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IT doesn't work like that, you'd have to be truly sorry for what you did for a start
What if i was though? I'd be given a free pass to heaven while the other 70% of the world rots in hell.

What a loving god eh? Forgiveness, lets just burn 8 billion people who didn't worship me.
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What if i was though? I'd be given a free pass to heaven while the other 70% of the world rots in hell.

What a loving god eh? Forgiveness, lets just burn 8 billion people who didn't worship me.
i'm not defending it.

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Old April 18th, 2018, 04:04 PM   #67
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Do you believe in hell?
Do aethists get accepted into heaven if it exists?
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Okay that first sentence is nice to know, but i think good/bad in some cases in pretty obvious..
A selfless person who is good willed= Good
A murderer/rapist with no remorse= Bad
But who cares about being kind in life because Jesus.

With that view, why be kind? Why don't i just go and murder millions of people? It'll all be cool in the end as long as i repent and worship the lord.
Ah but that's the thing. It is not obvious. Cause where does that morality come from? Is it relative? Cause for some people they might not see anything wrong with killing. So if morality is objective, it has to be imposed by something outside of it and something that can follow it. That means that we are under that law and accountable for our own sins, as all of us fall short of maintaining perfection. Being kind is not ignored as in coming to Jesus, people change to become more like Him. You can't just premeditate murder with the intention of going to God, because He knows our heart. In knowing our hearts too someone who wants to commit mass murder generally would not turn to him as their hearts are hardened/selfish etc. And if they did, they would be inclined to want to repay the people they wronged and help others if they were to have new life in Him.
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