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Old October 13th, 2005, 10:09 PM   #1
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Time is man made... Think about it... By looking at the sun you are looking back in time. By looking at the stars you are traveling through time and seeing thousands of years into the past. Such as... if you were on a planet or star millions of light years away and were to somehow look at the earth through a high powered telescope... ud see dinosaurs... and lets just say ur on a planet 1-thousand light years away... and look at the earth... ud be looking at the earth at the year 1005... Although... its not... Is time on earth just the movement on life? If so, isnt that what it is in space too? As stated above? And what happens if we travel faster than the speed of light? What will happen? Time is fake... there is no such thing...
There is something out there moving us from one moment to another... but we have it all wrong... we thought the earth was flat 500 years ago.... imagine what we can learn tommorow....

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Old October 13th, 2005, 10:20 PM   #2
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Very astoot of you adam, although we dont have anywhere near that kind of technology and we cant relive dinosaurs or our past experiences...
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Old October 13th, 2005, 10:33 PM   #3
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heh that really makes you think.......execpt i doubt we will learn anything really significant like the earth is round in our life times

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Old October 13th, 2005, 10:48 PM   #4
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Oh my god. I just thought, if we learn light spead travel, and we go to a planet very VERY far away, we can look at the past of earth. o my god. wow


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Oh my god. I just thought, if we learn light spead travel, and we go to a planet very VERY far away, we can look at the past of earth. o my god. wow
Inorder to get to a far away planet first we have to find a system with a hospitible one then we have to go there

not as easy as it sounds

light speed travel is waaaaaay to slow

it'll still be tens if not hundreds of thousands of years away

So either we don't go, we figure out how to go faster, we have a HUGE generational ship or the people take a very deep, very long, very vonerable sleep by the time they come back all of earth could have changed and everyone they new would have been dead for thousands off yrs

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Time is a word
Humans invented the word to describe why things age
how long it takes to get from point A to point B
To help them predict when the sun will come up and set
To predict the seasons
etc...

So "time" is not man made
the word is
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And your not looking back in time
your looking at the light thats been traveling for a few thousand years
Thats why astronomers always say they can look back into the history of our galaxy and the universe, because there not seeing the planet, the sun, nebula etc... as it is right now there looking at the light that left its departure point thousands sum even millions or years ago.



Just like if something ever happens to our sun
it'll take roughly 8min for us to realise

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They also have studys going on right now because they think light bends due to gravitational forces in space

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i was gunna pwn adams face into the ground, but i see that cody has a long post, and although i havent read it im just going to trust the fact that adams been pwned cuz codys good at that :/
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Yeah interesting stuff Adam, but I'm with Code and Matt on this one.
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just cuz you don't see it happening in our time does not me its impossible.


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Very good point, yet if time isn't right, why does the sun set and rise at almost the EXACT same time every day and every season. It is the right time for us. SO basically, it is the right time. I'd also say I agree with Code on this

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Very good point, yet if time isn't right, why does the sun set and rise at almost the EXACT same time every day and every season. It is the right time for us. SO basically, it is the right time. I'd also say I agree with Code on this
To answer your question, the reason the Earth is so reliable has nothing to do with "time" it has to do with movement. Planetary rotation, and orbit.

I though in the time until I came back to the thread, I think I thought of a pretty solid point. Time must be motion. Think about it. The reason ages ago, people had such a short grasp of time, and the space age brought about such new thougths of time is because before, people were limited to the time on the Earth. Time on Earth is based on the motion of the Earth rotating, and of the Earth moving through space around the sun. Take a rocket off Earth. When you break out of orbit, time is no longer based on Earth's movement. It's on your movement. Your time from one destination to the other. Such as that. Other times surrounding you when you are free of orbit (basically your own celestial body) is other celestial bodies. The time the stars image, which is based on light, gets to you. The time it takes for a free moving body like a comet to reach you. That brings up another question... if someone where to go to a place completely devoid of time, would the live for an eternity? If someone has to way for time to affect them, how do they die? Could such a place be "heaven"?

Now I'm all caught up with this. I think i've sorted it out... somewhat. It leaves a lot of open questions though. Time is motion, however motion is energy. Engergy is matter, so time, motion, and and energy all related to matter... Gah! And where the hell do Tachyons fit into this? If tachyons are real, this proves the Einstein wrong! Energy is supposed to be mass times the speed of light squared, but if tachyons gain speed when they loose energy, and exceed the speed of light while doing so, the Theory of Reletivity isn't the Theory of Reletivity wrong?
I understand that but we are able to base time on the pattern of this. Of course time is man made. We know that for a fact.

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Old October 14th, 2005, 10:05 PM   #12
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i have thought of what u said adam, that is so true
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Very good point, yet if time isn't right, why does the sun set and rise at almost the EXACT same time every day and every season. It is the right time for us. SO basically, it is the right time. I'd also say I agree with Code on this
To answer your question, the reason the Earth is so reliable has nothing to do with "time" it has to do with movement. Planetary rotation, and orbit.

I though in the time until I came back to the thread, I think I thought of a pretty solid point. Time must be motion. Think about it. The reason ages ago, people had such a short grasp of time, and the space age brought about such new thougths of time is because before, people were limited to the time on the Earth. Time on Earth is based on the motion of the Earth rotating, and of the Earth moving through space around the sun. Take a rocket off Earth. When you break out of orbit, time is no longer based on Earth's movement. It's on your movement. Your time from one destination to the other. Such as that. Other times surrounding you when you are free of orbit (basically your own celestial body) is other celestial bodies. The time the stars image, which is based on light, gets to you. The time it takes for a free moving body like a comet to reach you. That brings up another question... if someone where to go to a place completely devoid of time, would the live for an eternity? If someone has to way for time to affect them, how do they die? Could such a place be "heaven"?

Now I'm all caught up with this. I think i've sorted it out... somewhat. It leaves a lot of open questions though. Time is motion, however motion is energy. Engergy is matter, so time, motion, and and energy all related to matter... Gah! And where the hell do Tachyons fit into this? If tachyons are real, this proves the Einstein wrong! Energy is supposed to be mass times the speed of light squared, but if tachyons gain speed when they loose energy, and exceed the speed of light while doing so, the Theory of Reletivity isn't the Theory of Reletivity wrong?
Ok i think i can tackle the first part. the second part i may even lose myself so bare with me.

Time itself is not man made. Before there were men time passed. The dinosours existed for a TIME, and there was a time between their extinction and our birth that passed. Since man was not arround that proves time was present. If thre was no existince of a linear time we could in essence exist at all points of the universe's existince simultaneously...i could wittnes the universe's birth, my birth, it's death, and my death, and everything in between at the same...umm..."moment"....since i can't do that that also tells me that there is a natural...umm..."flow"...to the events occuring in the universe. Does that make sense?

What is man made, however, are the units mankind has assigned to this natural flow (which i will now refer to as time). Humans are very objective and need to put things into relitive terms that we understand. So we assign values to time that we can experience and understand. We know the earth rotates around it's axis completly the same time everytime....and we know that 365.4 of these rotations is needed to completly traverse our orbital path. That is pretty easy to measure and actualy rather useful to us. Unlike say the time it takes for the sun to make revolution about the axis of the galaxy which is about 250 million yers (one galactic year).

Keep in mind that this is not the only way to measure time. other cultures have done it different (though i will leave it to you to research it) simply because there was something else that it made sense for them to measure it by. i think the egyptians at one point measured time based on the flooding of the nile, though i could be wrong so please don't quote me.

TACHYON'S are not an easy topic to discuss. Mainly i think because they are still really really hypothetical. When talking about these things you need to mention Causality. Basicaly this says that if a tachyon existed and came into contact with noromal, linear matter there would be no way to tell the difference between the matters future and present. Basicaly that piece of matter would exist and experience it's entirelinear existince at all times of it's existence (whoa trippy). another thing to point out is that these things exist in a way that they can never ever slow down to light speed or below.

What the hell all this means...i have no idea. i do think, however that this doesn't disprove relativity. i think relativity for is linear "things" is valid. Bt for not linear things like tachyons, they simply exist outside of the constraints of the rules of einstien.

Hmm trying to decide if that made sense to me. hope that wasn't just random babbel.

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