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Old November 26th, 2006, 04:42 AM   #21
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okie dokie i'll move these all latter cause i am off shopping soon and have to have a cup of tea etc to wake me up.

but before i go, Phantom, i dont know if its just me being in university and i am obsessed with it now because i have to be, but where did you get that info on Ozone from? i am obsessed with referencing!

but if i were to continue that article it would prob say something like "although there are plenty of oxygen molecules the problem is they are spending moere time as O2 molecules rather than O3 molecules due to forming compounds with other elements such as Bromine and Chlorine"

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Old November 26th, 2006, 10:59 PM   #22
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just to add something here, the middle ages actually experienced a bout of cooler weather, causing mass famine and leading to the black plague.

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Old November 26th, 2006, 11:28 PM   #23
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just to add something here, the middle ages actually experienced a bout of cooler weather, causing mass famine and leading to the black plague.
um hello on what world does cold cause famine? Heat causes famine because it dries up all the water and kills crops.
The black plague has nothing to do with this, it was spread by fleas.
Please get your facts straight.

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Old November 27th, 2006, 02:02 AM   #24
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okay i'm not sure bout the plauge part might be true but i dont think so...not sure

the cold killing crops well....I live in Alberta
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Old November 27th, 2006, 02:59 AM   #25
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The Black Death wasn't bubonic plague, that spreads far too slowly, go do some research on it, it's still infecting people in Africa.
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Old November 27th, 2006, 12:31 PM   #26
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um hello on what world does cold cause famine? Heat causes famine because it dries up all the water and kills crops.
The black plague has nothing to do with this, it was spread by fleas.
Please get your facts straight.
Any extreme in temperature can cause famine. Surely you (someone who claims to be so knowledgeable about everything) can understand that excessive snow or frost or the such like will have an adverse effect on vegetation. It is common sense.


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Old November 27th, 2006, 04:18 PM   #27
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Any extreme in temperature can cause famine. Surely you (someone who claims to be so knowledgeable about everything) can understand that excessive snow or frost or the such like will have an adverse effect on vegetation. It is common sense.
Cold does not dry up water now does it. Also its not cold all year round, crops do not need that much heat to grow successfully.
And no I don't claim to know everything thats just another dumb remark by you that has no backing.

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Old November 27th, 2006, 05:01 PM   #28
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Old November 27th, 2006, 07:01 PM   #29
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My argument was that cold does destroy crops. See The Nuclear Issue for my answer to global warming.
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Old November 27th, 2006, 11:24 PM   #30
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Well, we can't prove global warming is happening for a specific reason, there are inclinations though. All you need for proof that something is happening is to go outside, we still haven't hit the freezing point ONCE this winter in Mass. The weather has been extremely warm for this time of year, last week we were mostly in the 50s and 60s.



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Old November 28th, 2006, 12:35 AM   #31
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the united government had banned CFC's.
teh only problem we face today is burning fossil fuels which is the main cause to global warming.
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Old December 1st, 2006, 07:45 PM   #32
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I think Global Warming is a problem that we have gotten ourselves into and its a shame. But I dont think we should stress about it because God can do anything, including fix all of our problems, but we have to trust in Him. We will never be able to get rid of the countless terrors of this world, but to solve this problem, we need faith.

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Old December 1st, 2006, 08:42 PM   #33
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global warming is something that is true. But it is not something to go freaking nuts over. Al Gore for a prime example is out of his mind thinking that the world is coming to a end. {drugs are bad m'kay} so lets fix it now and we wont haft to worry about it later. {freedom fighter out}
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Old December 1st, 2006, 09:38 PM   #34
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God isn't gonna do shit to help the environment. I'm willing to bet you $1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 on that one.
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I think Global Warming is a problem that we have gotten ourselves into and its a shame. But I dont think we should stress about it because God can do anything, including fix all of our problems, but we have to trust in Him. We will never be able to get rid of the countless terrors of this world, but to solve this problem, we need faith.
by him you surely don't mean the dumb president bush
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Old December 1st, 2006, 09:52 PM   #36
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by him you surely don't mean the dumb president bush
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Old December 2nd, 2006, 04:09 AM   #37
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First off I'm not ignorant, and I'm not will fully blind either. There are a couple things that we know to be true.
-in the recent past (relational to the history of the earths climate) 100 years the earth's surface temperature has warmed, by around 1 (f*) or a little more.
-There is such thing as the greenhouse effect and it keeps the earth at a livable temperature
-increased greenhouse gases ---> increased absorption of the suns heat,higher temperatures.
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Now there are a lot of things to think about,
-How many factors are there on the earths surface temperature?
*well there are thousands, may of which are understood very little, and they all play a part in what the temperature ends up being. Inherently some have a greater effect than others.
-Does the temperature of the earth change "naturally"
*yes, we have had ice ages, a medieval warming period, and basically everything in between
-Does "man" effect temperature?
*yes greenhouse gases, changing the materials that the sun hits when it gets to earth... many more.
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Humans do increase the temperature of the earth, but they are not the only thing that changes it, they are far from it, and not only that, but greenhouse gases aren't the only way that humans change it, Ever heard of "urban heat islands"? look it up.
http://eetd.lbl.gov/HeatIsland/LEARN/

and the whole idea of "changing the temperature" would imply that the temperate before would stay the same unless other wise changed, but no one who knows what they are talking about at all would agree with that as the temperature of the earth has changed, and often drastically over time
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another thing that must be considered is the "state of fear" effect that the media has on every thing relating to fear that sells add time or papers or w/e.
-If the audience thinks that what is on effects them (fear) they will buy/watch it.
-It has happened countless times with many things that have been blown way out of proportion like:
--Y2k, according to wikipedia "The total cost of the work done in preparation for Y2K was $US 300 billion." thats a lot of money for not a lot of actual problem.
--KILLER BEES!!!, at one time a major news story "The Africanized bee is widely feared by the public, a reaction that has been amplified by sensationalist movies and some of the media reports. Since their introduction to the United States there have been 14 deaths from Africanized bees over the several year period, which makes them less hazardous than venomous snakes." 14 people total, thats less than die by that lethal hands of vending machines (look it up if you don't believe) (wait a minute, vending machines don't even have hands!)
-so on and so on, even one as I write this, the threat of terrorism.

this state of fear blows every thing way out of proportion.
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just curious, DO you know what the largest (most influential on temperature) green house gas is? water vapor (look it up)

Some Scientists say that last years big US hurricanes were caused by, well just guess.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Globa...es-37124.shtml
but there weren't any big US hurricanes this year, does that mean global warming is on the fall? or does it only work one way? is that fair?

So, how long has the earth been in this warming trend? well don't tell that to Time who fell in to the "cooling" hype 30 years ago, no joke see for yourself (can u say fear?)
http://denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm
http://newsbusters.org/node/6546

And on the subject of Computer models of warming, what BS.
I have looked at the predictions and they range from 2-6 degrees over the next 50ish years years or more, so isn't 200% a huge margin of error? and IF they can't tell me what the weather will be like in a month how can they tell me what it will be like in a century?
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MY position is NOT that the temperature hasn't increased or that we aren't effecting it, it is that we don't know what effect we are having on it, we don't know if the increase is being caused natural (think medieval warming period) the public is largely in FEAR (disproportionately) (think Al gore) and frankly we really don't know.

IMO its not worth throwing billions of dollars to the wind (errr.. temperature of the wind?) with so many uncertainties and hype, when it could be WAY better spend trying to find cures for diseases, helping impoverished nations like Africa, or social security and national debt.
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Old December 2nd, 2006, 02:51 PM   #38
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All political pepol are crooks and they are all 2 faced I dont support any at the moment

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Old December 2nd, 2006, 03:32 PM   #39
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Every single one of them? U don't really believe that do you?
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Old December 2nd, 2006, 05:12 PM   #40
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Give me a example

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