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Old October 6th, 2006, 10:01 PM   #1
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Ok I am sure we have some 9/11 conspiracy theorists here (I think hyper is one of them). Well my question is if we could so perfectly execute 9/11 and get all of america to believe it why couldnt we just whip up some fake wmds in Iraq.

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No, because people aren't quite stupid enough to go to war over WMD, something has to happen to them before they give a damn.
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Old October 6th, 2006, 10:05 PM   #3
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You didnt answer my question. We both know that we went to war with Iraq for numerous other reasons. Check my thread democrat hypocrisy watch the video. Almost all dems supported the Iraq war before they decided they wanted to cut and run. We accualy did have proof he had them HE USED THEM, against the kurds, kuwait, his own people, Iran I am sure more too.
Think of it this way. I live next to you. I shoot and kill 2 people by my house. later the cops come in and cant find the gun, am I not guiltly was the police raid based on lies and illegal?

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Here ya go again with cut and run, we aren't doign any good by being there, the terrorists don't want the civilians, they want us. Also, I don't think the civilians appreciated us bombing their houses either, they probably hate us too.
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Here ya go again with cut and run, we aren't doign any good by being there, the ists don't want the civilians, they want us. Also, I don't think the civilians appreciated us ing their houses either, they probably us too.
Have you not seen any of my videos with our troops going on aide missions or all the Iraqi children greeting us. Now to prove the insurgents are'nt people defending their homes. FIRST if I was defending my homeland why would I hide behind my children hoping for them to get killed or hiding in hospitals hopeing they get ed. If they wanted us gone all they would have to do is stop attacking.

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did I say they were defending their homeland? No. I said they were pissed and could only think of kiling us to solve their problems, because we are their problem, we leave, they stop killing civilians, we stop killing civilians, and the Sunni and Shiite can blow each other up to solve their problems, its none of our concern.
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did I say they were defending their homeland? No. I said they were and could only think of kiling us to solve their problems, because we are their problem, we leave, they stop killing civilians, we stop killing civilians, and the Sunni and Shiite can blow each other up to solve their problems, its none of our concern.
Very valid points. I respect your opinion. Now can we please stop being bitter enemys.
They are not just angry , they are religious fanatics.
So I suppose its bad to install a goverment instead of leting them kill each other. Why shouldnt we try to help them instead of just sitting back and let thousands of them die. Under saddam he would put them in baths of acid intill their skin fell off he would kill children infront of parents, cut off tounges for disaggreing with the Iraqi goverment. He was killing around 4000 of his own people for 27 years! you do the math.

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Because it didn't concern us, we have enough problems in our own country that need solving.
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True.
Did you read my gun example.
If we had a better president he would be able to solve the problems in our country while fighting a war.

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Not necessarily, we don't have the money for the war, let alone solving our own problems.
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Old October 6th, 2006, 10:34 PM   #11
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I suppose, even though we are the richest nation in the world.
It was definatly good to take out saddam but was it the best with Iran and NK looming on the horizon.

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Saddam brought balance to the middle east by providng a buffer zone.
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Old October 6th, 2006, 10:41 PM   #13
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A buffer zone. I think a democratic Iraq is more of a buffer zone than a mad dictator. We just need to get Iraq on its feet then we will pull out immediently.
Still the fact remains that he did have wmds used them and slaughtered thousands of his own people.

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That has yet to be proven.

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That has yet to be proven.
yupp.... he might have used it in other wars, but he hasn't even used them in this war... therefore, there aren't any proof that there really are massive destruction weapons, or similars...

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Old October 7th, 2006, 11:11 AM   #16
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That has yet to be proven.
What has to be proven that he had WMD's. Did you even read my gun example.

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Ok Phantom simply it wasnt faked because there was no need the people were brainwashed enough. And realy if he had them he couldve used them..

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He had them and He did use them many times kurds, kuwait, own people, Iran shall I list more. He did have the ability to make them after we went in thats a FACT.
So I suppose you take back your little conspiracy theorys after I ask a simple question. Conspiracy theorys never hold up anyways.
yes yes again with the brain washing, if we are so brainwashed please provide evidence.

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Very valid points. I respect your opinion. Now can we please stop being bitter enemys.
They are not just angry , they are religious fanatics.
So I suppose its bad to install a goverment instead of leting them kill each other. Why shouldnt we try to help them instead of just sitting back and let thousands of them die. Under saddam he would put them in baths of acid intill their skin fell off he would kill children infront of parents, cut off tounges for disaggreing with the Iraqi goverment. He was killing around 4000 of his own people for 27 years! you do the math.


Saddan = 4,000 per year = 108,000 total

US & Insurgents = 3,000 per month = 36,000 per year x 5 years = 180,000

I don't think the Iraqs are better off now than under Saddam


Your qoute: Under saddam he would put them in baths of acid intill their skin fell off he would kill children infront of parents, cut off tounges for disaggreing with the Iraqi goverment.


Show me the proof that Saddam gave people baths of acid.

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