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Old June 20th, 2019, 07:09 PM   #21
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Ur heading is a misnomer if u ask
for answers for believers. Anyway:

Im Catholic
I believe in a Supreme Being and
a hereafter. My priest preaches a
heaven and a hell but I don't believe
in fire and brimstone so I take that
along with some of the Bible with a
grain of salt as less seriously. No one
really knows if there is a hereafter but
I would rather b on the right side rather
than the wrong when the time comes.

how do you know that you'll be on 'the right side' of the right religion? there are thousands of them! Furthermore, surely you need evidence to believe something?
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Old June 21st, 2019, 03:07 AM   #22
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Before the birth of Jesus Christ most Jews
believed in the teachings of God whether or
not they believed there was a heaven or hell.
Jews came about 2.000 years ago. And this was so occidental
How about ancient egyptians who were on Earth way before that? How about other civilizations? Indians, Mayas, Aztecs, Africans, Asia?
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Old June 21st, 2019, 06:57 AM   #23
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A lot of those other cultures developed their spirituality around naturalistic events, specifically the seasons, and the Sun.

Christianity and Judaism really were a new concept focusing on 1 monotheistic God. In fact for Jewish people they believed in 1-God so strongly that they outright rejected the concept of Jesus being a savior.

There was a sense of order, and sacredness within their own people that really set the OT Jewish people apart from contemporaries for their time.






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The maya also had a lot of sacrifices (burning of a Virgin etc) so beware if you were a super attractive person, they might think you were a good offering.

Various tribes in Africa also differ from what I can tell too, some more into voodoo than others.
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Old June 21st, 2019, 01:51 PM   #24
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You bring up an interesting point...
Have people who lived before Jesus Christ gone to hell for not believing in him while they didn't even know he could exist?
From what I understand, a lot of it has to do with a rather harsh application of the ideas that everyone has original sin (inherited from Adam and Eve consuming the forbidden fruit in Eden) and that only faith and obedience in Jesus Christ can save you from sin. But like a lot of Christian doctrine the idea goes in and out of vogue with the times and with different sects.

To me it doesn't seem very fair but I'm not religious so \_(ツ)_/
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Old June 21st, 2019, 01:59 PM   #25
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Jews came about 2.000 years ago. And this was so occidental
How about ancient egyptians who were on Earth way before that? How about other civilizations? Indians, Mayas, Aztecs, Africans, Asia?
Judaism is a bit older than 2000 years

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A lot of those other cultures developed their spirituality around naturalistic events, specifically the seasons, and the Sun.

Christianity and Judaism really were a new concept focusing on 1 monotheistic God. In fact for Jewish people they believed in 1-God so strongly that they outright rejected the concept of Jesus being a savior.
I think that's a little too broad, considering other monotheistic religions like Zoroastrianism and religions in other places of the world.
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Old June 21st, 2019, 04:57 PM   #26
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Judaism is a bit older than 2000 years



I think that's a little too broad, considering other monotheistic religions like Zoroastrianism and religions in other places of the world.
Its a little broad, and I was a bit disingenuous because I was aware of Zoroastrianism, but didnt mention it because I fail to find deep research sources to explain what that is.


Im also aware of the Enki and Enlil myths of Ancient Sumar, elements of some of these beliefs come up in new age doctrine which most modern day Christians deem as demonically influenced.
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Old June 21st, 2019, 09:15 PM   #27
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how do you know that you'll be on 'the right side' of the right religion? there are thousands of them! Furthermore, surely you need evidence to believe something?
I don't know and no one else knows
and even those that don't believe in
something could b their religion to
not believe.
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Old June 22nd, 2019, 01:00 AM   #28
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I was raised Catholic and everything, sure we were taught that those who did not believe and accept Christ would not be granted eternal life and salvation.

However, after growing up Ive chosen to go more Norse-Pagan, finding comfort in the Norse Gods

With that said there is no 'non believers' so to speak. It is more of who is righteous and honorable to gain access to Valhalla, for the coming battle of Ragnarok.



I dare ask
what sparked your questions @Natacha

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Old June 22nd, 2019, 07:41 AM   #29
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I was raised Catholic and everything, sure we were taught that those who did not believe and accept Christ would not be granted eternal life and salvation.

However, after growing up Ive chosen to go more Norse-Pagan, finding comfort in the Norse Gods

With that said there is no 'non believers' so to speak. It is more of who is righteous and honorable to gain access to Valhalla, for the coming battle of Ragnarok.

I dare ask
what sparked your questions @Natacha
Just asking because I'm an atheist
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Old June 22nd, 2019, 10:32 AM   #30
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Just asking because I'm an atheist

cool

Lets turn the question around on you,

what are your feelings towards those of a faith?
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Old June 22nd, 2019, 12:58 PM   #31
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Judaism is a bit older than 2000 years
I meant 2 000 bc so that would be about 4 000 years ago indeed lol. My bad

But my point was what about other civilizations, who were unaware of God's existence? Can you blame them and send them to hell for that?
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Old June 22nd, 2019, 01:00 PM   #32
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From what I understand, a lot of it has to do with a rather harsh application of the ideas that everyone has original sin (inherited from Adam and Eve consuming the forbidden fruit in Eden) and that only faith and obedience in Jesus Christ can save you from sin. But like a lot of Christian doctrine the idea goes in and out of vogue with the times and with different sects.

To me it doesn't seem very fair but I'm not religious so \_(ツ)_/
I dont think we should be accountable and blamed for what our ancestors did hundreds years ago. Makes no sense to me
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Old June 26th, 2019, 06:12 PM   #33
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Well im atheist,but my family are luterans, so i go to luteran church every time someone get married or ...(i dont know how it is in english when babies are wahed in holy water)
Luterans doesnt say anything about non believers, just that God love us all. Actually i like luterans, because their church isnt so much about donating money for church. Not like chatols (at least in europe)

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Old June 30th, 2019, 02:44 PM   #34
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Well im atheist,but my family are luterans, so i go to luteran church every time someone get married or ...(i dont know how it is in english when babies are wahed in holy water)
Luterans doesnt say anything about non believers, just that God love us all. Actually i like luterans, because their church isnt so much about donating money for church. Not like chatols (at least in europe)
Main stream lutheran church sounds like. Actually teachings say lots of nonbelievers but it is secular church mostly today. Anyway some nondenominational sects of Lutheran church do exist who are true to Bible

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If God can do anything let him say "Hi". But he never does.
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