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Old June 17th, 2018, 11:44 AM   #41
Vlerchan
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Default Re: Ask An Atheist/Anti-Theist

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Sure like you could make an argument that capitalism is a religion.
This doesn't address the point I made.

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I said one
So long as we can agree that laws fitting the criteria Rationality specified account for an overwhelming number of laws.

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Nope
Then the point I made earlier remains standing:
For both religious and non-religious people, the idea that there is a best way to live our lives, and that way of life should be spread, can be a deeply held conviction and restricting religious people from acting on those opinions breaches any notion of equality under the law.

Furthermore, if you happened to care, it undermines freedom of religion and freedom of conscience (where for many religious people, actively spreading the word of their god is a fundamental part of their religion), which protect diversity and pluralism in our society.

It also almost certainly would, if expressed legally, push an implicit intolerance towards immigrants, especially Islamic immigrants, who, on average, hold a much deeper inclination toward their faith and would be most affected by efforts to rollback freedom of religion clauses--as with the burqa and niqab.
Stopping people from engaging in public expressions of religious fervour violates their rights on multiple fronts and has a disproportionate impact on ethnic minorities.

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Government remains neutral if they don't fund any religious organisations.
But it also remains neutral if it funds them all.

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That's why you need to add any kind of hate speech to it to close that loophole.
People could make arguments that fit outside this loophole too though.

People could also just leave their reasons for supporting this legislation publicly unstated.

Irrespective the desired effect isn't going to occur.

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This whole prong also has the quite undemocratic effect of working to make conservative bills you don't like harder to propose and pass.

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Private schools especially religious ones can teach any bullshit they want and by funding those schools you make the problem worst.
This is the reason the government mandates set curriculums schools are required to follow.

".... the result of a consistent and total substitution of lies for factual truth is not that the lie will now be accepted as truth, and truth be defamed as lie, but that the sense by which we take our bearings in the real world - and the category of truth versus falsehood is among the mental means to this end - is being destroyed ... [H.A.]"

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