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Old March 27th, 2006, 10:58 PM   #1
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I really dont have much time, but I wanted to bring this up before I forgot. What is you all's opinion about the immigration debate going on in the USA?

Sorry for being so vauge now, but I'll comment later.
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Old March 27th, 2006, 11:05 PM   #2
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Old March 27th, 2006, 11:18 PM   #3
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fuck you mikeygamer, most of my family are illegal. i think they should let people come over here.
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Old March 27th, 2006, 11:26 PM   #4
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The US of A was founded by immigration. Therefore kicking out all the immigrants doesn’t make since. I do understand the right of the common “legal” American to “keep there job” but that is not the fault of the illegal immigrants. It is the fault of the person employing them.


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Old March 28th, 2006, 05:36 PM   #5
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ok look im Latino and im not illegal but like wat everyone should understand is that yes this counmtry is full of immigrants but its just that the whole Mexico is going " America is where your dreams can become true" but like they come here and they cant get jobs, and if they do its really bad jobs. and besides Mexicos economy isnt that bad i mean yeh its not as good as the US's but still. the ppl in like Africa nad some parts of Asia need to come here because like in West Agfrica u can get killed na dno body cares. and also they are not criminals for this and like they should not just send them bak and like the government in Mexico has to tell ppl to stop crossing the borders. Mexico and some of those other countries are beautiful and with good economys people shouldnt run away from their own country because of some gang problem or the economy.
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Old March 28th, 2006, 07:34 PM   #6
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Illegal immigrents are often hired for less than minimum wage, with no benefits. The ER departments of every border state say that they are overwhelmed with patients who can't produce ID or health insurance, so we are paying a good bit for their health care. For every drug carrying criminal, there are at least twenty good people trying to feed their families, but we can not have an open border with no criminal background checks.

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Old April 3rd, 2006, 12:56 AM   #7
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Its well known that there are too many people living in the usa, not paying taxes, hurting the economy. Some are legal, others not. Many illegal immigrents are underpaied and live in shocking conditions. and advent child, nobody cares about drugs anymore lol so thats not even debatable lol. A crack down on border patrol and fences is vital to our economy. If people want to come to the usa, do it like everyone else.


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Old April 3rd, 2006, 05:13 PM   #8
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Its well known that there are too many people living in the usa, not paying taxes, hurting the economy. Some are legal, others not. Many illegal immigrents are underpaied and live in shocking conditions. and advent child, nobody cares about drugs anymore lol so thats not even debatable lol. A crack down on border patrol and fences is vital to our economy. If people want to come to the usa, do it like everyone else.
I agree, less the drug part. They cause so much damage to the users and those around them, often leading people to do things that hurt themselves and others. They destroy lives! (Only the addicts that have no pride or self controll...well that is true of any addict.)

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Old April 6th, 2006, 04:49 PM   #9
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Its well known that there are too many people living in the usa, not paying taxes, hurting the economy. Some are legal, others not. Many illegal immigrents are underpaied and live in shocking conditions. and advent child, nobody cares about drugs anymore lol so thats not even debatable lol. A crack down on border patrol and fences is vital to our economy. If people want to come to the usa, do it like everyone else.
I agree, less the drug part. They cause so much damage to the users and those around them, often leading people to do things that hurt themselves and others. They destroy lives! (Only the addicts that have no pride or self controll...well that is true of any addict.)
yeah lets sterotype every single person that has an addiction and say that they have no pride or self control. What a judgemental prick.



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Old April 11th, 2006, 06:58 PM   #10
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The more people we have working on the American dream the better. Our country needs all of its people working for freedom. Let them join the military and earn their citezenship.

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Old April 13th, 2006, 05:53 PM   #11
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well personally
i kinda agree with what their trying to do here.. but not 100%
yes, america is the home to where everybody goes to to be free.
but americas peoples (george bush..goverment..whatever) are worried about terrorists and other stuff like that...

but.

i dont fully agree with the felonys and shit that their trying to put on illegal immigrants...i just think u should just send em back to where they belong. how they originally had it.. they'll find a way here.again.eventually lol
im sure people in my family are like that..illegal immigrants
see their here to take over jobs that the americans dont want.. but there are pros and cons to it too
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Old April 14th, 2006, 03:32 PM   #12
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am I the only one that has illegal family that thinks they should be sent back? just because someone is related to you doesn't mean i agree with them doing illegal things or will support them in murder/stealing/anything else illegal.
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Old April 15th, 2006, 07:03 PM   #13
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oh yeah i forgot to post this. (NEVERMIND I FREAKIN LOST IT..sorry guys)

its basically about the cons of illegal immigrants....like murders and stealing sand shit..

another reason whyu i kinda get the point across why their doing it.
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Old April 15th, 2006, 10:00 PM   #14
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here is my opinion ready?

its true a lot of illegal immigrants dont pay taxes but a lot suprisingly do...i would get proof but i am lazy and this comp is slow...anyway that doesnt mean im against it.....i belive people should have legally gotten into this country...if they didnt....grr i hold a grudge agains them (sorry bout that teenhelp) but oh well whats done is done....what i think is simpiliy outragous is when they don't teach their kids english...mexican americans are hard workers, but for the most part they shouldnt have to be they came here to work for the most part, and have their familys a better life...all the good reasons not for drugs or anything....but when they dont teach their kids to speak english their kids don't really care too because they are ignorant at the time (every kid would be unless they are like little kid geniouses ) and then they cant get the best job they could have....also that creates a giant language barrior its harder for everybody to get a job because a lot of people need to be fluent with english and spanish......so i think it all will just come down to language in the end...

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Old April 17th, 2006, 06:11 PM   #15
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well i think that the US is very overpopulated with immigrants...i dont mind this if they become citizens and pay for their welfare and crap.....but they use tax money to pay for health stuff and crap but it just is very annoying..especially when they dont bother to learn english....if they learn english and become citizens im fine...but otherwise they gotta go
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well i think that the US is very overpopulated with immigrants...i dont mind this if they become citizens and pay for their welfare and crap.....but they use tax money to pay for health stuff and crap but it just is very annoying..especially when they dont bother to learn english....if they learn english and become citizens im fine...but otherwise they gotta go
why don't you learn spanish? I'm sorry, you have to go because you don't know spanish. The us doesnt actually ahve an offical language.. I'm learning spanish, you need to anyways, so many people in the world speak spanish, its not lik eits gonna kill you


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Old April 23rd, 2006, 07:57 PM   #17
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If you're here illegaly, gtfo
If you are here legaly, welcome

nuff said
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Old April 23rd, 2006, 08:43 PM   #18
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nuff said
exactly. I came here, and I am now legal, so like. Well, it's difficult. I mean, it's hard to get accepted into a country, but at the same time, sometimes you need to get away from where you ar,e or you need to get into a certain country. I don't support illegal immigration, but yet, I have to understand it, as I've been there.

EDIT: I MUST add that I think if you come to a country, you need to speak the language/ languages CLEARLY and understandably. I'm tired of going to the fucking coffee shop and the person behind the counter doesn't know what "tea" means.

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exactly. I came here, and I am now legal, so like. Well, it's difficult. I mean, it's hard to get accepted into a country, but at the same time, sometimes you need to get away from where you ar,e or you need to get into a certain country. I don't support illegal immigration, but yet, I have to understand it, as I've been there.

EDIT: I MUST add that I think if you come to a country, you need to speak the language/ languages CLEARLY and understandably. I'm tired of going to the fucking coffee shop and the person behind the counter doesn't know what "tea" means.
Thats the french they don't count!!
ur to close to Quebec!
poor bastard
I hope Jill duceppe is shot on parlament hill for high treason right infront of peace tower
just ta make it funny
rip my country apart I don't fuckin think so!

Seriously though in Western Canada anyway (i cant speak for eastern never really been there) I can't see anyone being treated diffrently because there from england, ireland, south korea, etc..
Nobody cares as long as you can speak english it dosen't matter accents aren't a problem really
Most of BRITISH Columbia seriously is either from the UK or South Korea
Alberta's screaming so desperatly for workers they dont care if ur green n 4ft tall aslong as u want a job

williams right though as long as your there LEGALLY then welcome!!!
if your here illegaly then please let the door slam u in the ass on the way out!
That simple

I don't think America does duel citizenship though which kinda sucks cause i'd like to be a duel citizen with america and canada..meh
like theres allot of Canadian immigrants that are duel citizens with like Canada and England for example

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Old April 24th, 2006, 07:01 AM   #20
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America does do duel citizenchip cody your in luck! And many illegal immagrints come from nasty situations and there trying to better there lives and the lives of there families. I'm sorry, but because I would do the same thing should I ever be in there shoes, I won't be hypocrytical and say they shouldnt.


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