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Old January 22nd, 2019, 12:28 AM   #21
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and god creaated the plants, but if you wanna go the "man should not medleth" route...
According to the bible God created everything as it is he did create the plant but also the effect the plant as when consumed. You could also argue while its the human that is responsible for creating meth but that God is responsible for the effects that meth as on the human brain.

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Old January 22nd, 2019, 12:32 AM   #22
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According to the bible God created everything as it is he did create the plant but also the effect the plant as when consumed. You could also argue while its the human that is responsible for creating meth but that God is responsible for the effects that meth as on the human brain.
that- thats the point i was making, God created the plants, therefore,..

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Old January 22nd, 2019, 03:28 PM   #23
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Ok so new to all this religion stuff. Done some stuff in RE lessons though so.....Isn't Genesis supposed to be a story that tells something true. Kind of look for the truth its trying to get over.
About the snake. In Genesis it says God changed the "whatever it was" into a new snake shape anyway.
isn't the order of Genesis a bit like evolution. Stuff in th esea leading to animals then humans last of all.
OK I know thats all a bit simple sounding when it muust be very complicated but just an idea.
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Old January 22nd, 2019, 04:02 PM   #24
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Ok so new to all this religion stuff. Done some stuff in RE lessons though so.....Isn't Genesis supposed to be a story that tells something true. Kind of look for the truth its trying to get over.
About the snake. In Genesis it says God changed the "whatever it was" into a new snake shape anyway.
isn't the order of Genesis a bit like evolution. Stuff in th esea leading to animals then humans last of all.
OK I know thats all a bit simple sounding when it muust be very complicated but just an idea.
Genesis's interpretation generally falls into three camps, the one camp you've described, the evolution has nothing to do with it camp and the "its all a metaphor camp, the last being the stupidist, and your description the most sane.

howeverrrr, in Genesis God creates everything BEFORE he says let there be light(aka makes the big bang) soooooo

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Old January 22nd, 2019, 04:27 PM   #25
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Genesis's interpretation generally falls into three camps, the one camp you've described, the evolution has nothing to do with it camp and the "its all a metaphor camp, the last being the stupidist, and your description the most sane.

howeverrrr, in Genesis God creates everything BEFORE he says let there be light(aka makes the big bang) soooooo
Just checked in a Bible - just been given one by my neighbour who goes to church-(Thank God that Genesis is easy to find). My version says he made the sun and moon later than some stuff but said "let there be light" right at the start.
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Just checked in a Bible - just been given one by my neighbour who goes to church-(Thank God that Genesis is easy to find). My version says he made the sun and moon later than some stuff but said "let there be light" right at the start.

Genesis 1:3 *then, God said, "Let ther be light" and there was light.*
Genesis 1:1 *in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Genesis 1:2 *now the earth wasformless and empty, darkness covered the surface of the watery depths and the Spirit of God was hovoring over the surface of the waters.*

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Old January 22nd, 2019, 04:38 PM   #27
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Genesis 1:6 *then, God said, "Let ther be light" and there was light.*
Genesis 1:1 *in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Genesis 1:2 *now the earth wasformless and empty, darkness covered the surface of the watery depths and the Spirit of God was hovoring over the surface of the waters.*
Oh see what you mean. I thought the first couple of verses were like a chapter heading or introduction. Note to self. Never argue with an expert.
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Oh see what you mean. I thought the first couple of verses were like a chapter heading or introduction. Note to self. Never argue with an expert.
its ok, i've been being dragged to church since i was 8 so

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Old January 31st, 2019, 11:46 PM   #29
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Happy to see that we have several Sts. Augustine, Thomas Aquinas and Athanasius here.
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Happy to see that we have several Sts. Augustine, Thomas Aquinas and Athanasius here.
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God planting evidence to trick us, that must be it, because it couldn't possibly be that the book of genesis is just made up shit and that evolution is proving that.
We.actually dont have THAT MUCH evidence. Media makes us think we have more than we really do. Read icons of evolution to see how little that amount is
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Here i want to discuss about book of Genesis (Adam and Eve, tower of Babilon...).

Recently i've been thinking a lot about evolution and also about Adam and Eve.
I have quit good explanation. When God started talking to Moses he couldn't have just said that he did evolution that he made all the rules of physic and chemistry (all molecules and atoms , reaction...) . I mean i am pretty sure people of bronze age who lived in tents and were hunter wouldn't understand something so complex. He gave us time to find out this stuff by ourself.

But now i am wandering why do we have to get baptised if there was probably no Adam and Eve at all and it was just a story for old nations (their lack of knowledge and understandment) . Probably it is to show the connection between God and people and to show that we care about him. Maybe to withdraw our animal side (since we developed from primats) ?

At same point i am also wandering if evolution is true. We have a lot of evidence but still... God is almighty so he could just create all the evidence to trick us. No one knows no one saw this --> evolution and also Adam and Eve.
God does not trick. Its Satan who tricks us.
I see Genesis as allegory. But on other hand there had to be logically first man and woman. Species evolve from somewhere but at some point there is mutation and new specie is born. You have heard about egg and chicken thing? And i see it as true since what good would be talking to bronze age person about atoms etc.
It would be just as fruitless as talking to @mattsmith48 about anything in general and when he/she doesnt understand I would switch to finnish´to try to make him/her understand. Just wouldnt work. So using language they understand is logical.
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We.actually dont have THAT MUCH evidence. Media makes us think we have more than we really do. Read icons of evolution to see how little that amount is
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God does not trick. Its Satan who tricks us.
You're right about that, God does not trick people, he murders them.

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I see Genesis as allegory. But on other hand there had to be logically first man and woman. Species evolve from somewhere but at some point there is mutation and new specie is born. You have heard about egg and chicken thing? And i see it as true since what good would be talking to bronze age person about atoms etc.
It would be just as fruitless as talking to @mattsmith48 about anything in general and when he/she doesnt understand I would switch to finnish´to try to make him/her understand. Just wouldnt work. So using language they understand is logical.
That's kinda insulting

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So far it looks like the classical "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" debate.

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Will I ever get it, why those, who claim to believers need and talk always about evidence? Because faith needs no such a thing like evidence.

Those who have faith are believers. And those who know are knowers. A believer who knows is therfore a paradox. But despite everything, the wise knows that the truth isn't just knowledge, but is also faith. Belief in knowledge and knowledge in faith.





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@mattsmith48 what is so insulting?
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Because faith needs no such a thing like evidence.
Then what are we supposed to believe when science says monkeys progressively mutated into men, and faith says man was created by God in one day?
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