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View Poll Results: What is your religion?
Agnosticism 142 13.61%
Atheism 312 29.91%
Buddhism 13 1.25%
Christianity (Please Specify) 415 39.79%
Hinduism 9 0.86%
Islam 33 3.16%
Judaism 17 1.63%
Wicca 17 1.63%
Other (Please Specify) 85 8.15%
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Old June 12th, 2014, 01:46 PM   #3301
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I just have to address this. Lets say you have X amount of money, and you want to spend it on a gaming console that, if bought, would provide you with many hours of joy and fun. But you instead decide to donate it to help feed starving children or something. When those children receive that food, they're likely to experience a plethora of positive emotions and have many of their negative emotions(hunger, in this case) cured. And I think you would agree that the amount of suffering that is alleviated when the children receive the food is greater than the amount alleviated when you buy a gaming console. It stands to reason then that giving away your money was a logical decision because it decreased the total amount of suffering in the world more than if you had kept it. Who's suffering it is that's decreased is irrelevant.
I believe that it is the right or moral thing to do. If we presume that it is objectively the right thing to do then I would be in agreement that it's the logical thing to do - but it would be illogical to start making such assumptions.

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On a side note (unrelated to this thread - but I don't want to start another), do you consider it moral to threaten someone at gunpoint to hand over their hard-earned cash in order to alleviate another individual's suffering.

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Old June 12th, 2014, 02:24 PM   #3302
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I believe that it is the right or moral thing to do. If we presume that it is objectively the right thing to do then I would be in agreement that it's the logical thing to do - but it would be illogical to start making such assumptions.

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On a side note (unrelated to this thread - but I don't want to start another), do you consider it moral to threaten someone at gunpoint to hand over their hard-earned cash in order to alleviate another individual's suffering.
No, because if that were to happen on a large scale the terror and fear created by the constant threat of suffering would most likely outweigh any suffering alleviated with the stolen money.

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Old June 12th, 2014, 02:27 PM   #3303
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No, because if that were to happen on a large scale the terror and fear created by the constant threat of suffering would most likely outweigh any suffering alleviated with the stolen money.
Hmm.. interesting.

That's effectively what supporting taxation and redistribution policies entails: we've just been socialised to accept it as correct and moral.

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Old June 13th, 2014, 10:47 PM   #3304
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I do believe in god and Jesus and even though terrible tragedies have happed that did not change what or who I believe in and in my personal opinion everything happens for a certain reason.
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Old June 14th, 2014, 04:19 AM   #3305
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I'm actually born Catholic and raised in a religious family, my grandparents are very religious, and then you have me, the family atheist.

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Old June 25th, 2014, 09:46 AM   #3306
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I'm kinda agnostic right now, but I am interested about ancient Finnish religion.
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Old June 25th, 2014, 01:02 PM   #3307
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i am a scientologist
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Old June 25th, 2014, 01:51 PM   #3308
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I consider myself spiritual, but not religious.


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Old June 28th, 2014, 05:26 PM   #3309
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i am a scientologist
Seriously?

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Old June 29th, 2014, 05:24 AM   #3310
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Seriously?
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Old June 29th, 2014, 07:34 AM   #3311
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I'm a Protestant Christian, I believe quite strongly in my faith but I do see some flaws in religon.
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Old June 29th, 2014, 12:54 PM   #3312
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i am agnostic. my parents are both christian but they never raised me with strict christian beliefs. they never took me to church or made me pray or read the bible or anything. that's why i never really believed in a god while growing up, because it was never pressed into me.

after searching and learning about a bunch of different religions, i decided to label myself as 'agnostic. agnosticism is basically where you have no belief OR disbelief in any god/deities out there. my firm belief is that religion is here for people to fall back on, for all mankind to turn to when they need help most and provide a sense of security and comfort. however, i truly believe we don't know FOR SURE if any god(s) really exist. then again, who knows if any do or not? there's just simply no way to be sure until we actually die.
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Old June 29th, 2014, 01:55 PM   #3313
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yes i am
I'm genuinely interested, were you raised that way or have you converted?

Have you seen the South Park episode about scientology? How much of it is true?

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Old June 29th, 2014, 02:42 PM   #3314
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i am agnostic. my parents are both christian but they never raised me with strict christian beliefs. they never took me to church or made me pray or read the bible or anything. that's why i never really believed in a god while growing up, because it was never pressed into me.

after searching and learning about a bunch of different religions, i decided to label myself as 'agnostic. agnosticism is basically where you have no belief OR disbelief in any god/deities out there. my firm belief is that religion is here for people to fall back on, for all mankind to turn to when they need help most and provide a sense of security and comfort. however, i truly believe we don't know FOR SURE if any god(s) really exist. then again, who knows if any do or not? there's just simply no way to be sure until we actually die.
Well I do have to agree MOSTLY, I'd just like to add that there is also agnostic theism, and agnostic atheism, both of which differ a little bit from what you describe.

I'm an agnostic theist. I do tend to err on the side of belief that there is potential for a higher power to exist, I do pray, I try to be somewhat spiritual, hell- I even read the Bible at times- but I believe that it is impossible to know. I don't exactly believe in an afterlife. I'm what you'd call "hopeful", but not set on the belief in one.

I try to respect the views of gnostics, but I tend to find those views (if not those people) very irritating. Imo gnostics can be extremely arrogant about their beliefs, and that's why I like agnosticism. From what I've seen, agnostics tend to be pretty chill about the views of others, not HAVING to prove their point, and so on.


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Old June 29th, 2014, 03:15 PM   #3315
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Well I do have to agree MOSTLY, I'd just like to add that there is also agnostic theism, and agnostic atheism, both of which differ a little bit from what you describe.

I'm an agnostic theist. I do tend to err on the side of belief that there is potential for a higher power to exist, I do pray, I try to be somewhat spiritual, hell- I even read the Bible at times- but I believe that it is impossible to know. I don't exactly believe in an afterlife. I'm what you'd call "hopeful", but not set on the belief in one.

I try to respect the views of gnostics, but I tend to find those views (if not those people) very irritating. Imo gnostics can be extremely arrogant about their beliefs, and that's why I like agnosticism. From what I've seen, agnostics tend to be pretty chill about the views of others, not HAVING to prove their point, and so on.
i think i just described the basics of agnosticism, then. i didn't know that there was branches off of agnosticism like agnostic theist and agnostic atheist. thank you for telling me about that. (: after reading through what you wrote, i also think i lean more towards agnostic theism, because i do believe that there is a possibility of a supreme being, just that there's no way of knowing. but i completely agree with your other points on agnosticism.
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Old June 29th, 2014, 05:50 PM   #3316
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i think i just described the basics of agnosticism, then. i didn't know that there was branches off of agnosticism like agnostic theist and agnostic atheist. thank you for telling me about that. (: after reading through what you wrote, i also think i lean more towards agnostic theism, because i do believe that there is a possibility of a supreme being, just that there's no way of knowing. but i completely agree with your other points on agnosticism.
Well simple "agnosticism" itself can't really exist; agnosticism is simply not knowing. Once can KNOW their god exist, or KNOW that no god exists, or one can beleive in a god but they don't KNOW, or one can not beleive in any gods but don't KNOW.
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Old June 30th, 2014, 11:10 PM   #3317
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Christian Baptist. My advice is, if you can afford it, take a trip to BigStuf camps. It's 1 week during the summer and can completely change your life. My church had 8 baptisms the week we went: it just goes to show how God and the Holy Spirit can move in great ways.

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Old July 9th, 2014, 10:24 AM   #3318
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Im a christian, a methodist to be specific
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Old July 9th, 2014, 04:09 PM   #3319
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Old July 16th, 2014, 12:27 AM   #3320
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I was born and raised Catholic, but recently religion just has made less and less sense to me, and for some other reasons I now consider myself atheist.
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