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Old July 19th, 2016, 02:44 PM   #1
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Hey I am suggesting we get rid of the p101 archive. There are currently 144 guests viewing the section and I am sure that is taking its toll on the server and bearing in mind in the last 10 minuets I have seen the server overloaded 3 times it may help. I don't see the archives doing any good tbh unless I am mistaken?


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Old July 19th, 2016, 03:30 PM   #2
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The was a discussion recently about the P101 Archive in this thread. I think all that we could pretty much say about the Archive and why we have it is in there. Trust me, though - I understand the concern about the material and the traffic.
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Old July 19th, 2016, 04:14 PM   #3
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The was a discussion recently about the P101 Archive in this thread. I think all that we could pretty much say about the Archive and why we have it is in there. Trust me, though - I understand the concern about the material and the traffic.
Oh gosh sorryyy!! I normally check to see if the same thing had been suggested


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Old July 19th, 2016, 04:28 PM   #4
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I think 70% of the archived threads there should be deleted.

They have no merit to them.

But some might be worth retaining or referencing if they held good discussions but are simply there because of inactivity rules.
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Old July 19th, 2016, 04:31 PM   #5
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I think 70% of the archived threads there should be deleted.

They have no merit to them.

But some might be worth retaining or referencing if they held good discussions but are simply there because of inactivity rules.
and who's going to sort them? They go back to 2004xD Go check out the thread Emerald linked me, one of the admins explains it


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Old July 19th, 2016, 06:08 PM   #6
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Old July 19th, 2016, 08:59 PM   #7
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I too don't see a reason in keeping the archives for the P101 forums. Most of which are not just threads that are bumped, but instead they are disturbing to say the least. While the rules state that storytelling is not allowed, keeping the archives in place is nearly just the same as storytelling (Just take a look at some. There are very....interesting threads there). It's just a new location for explicit material just sitting there waiting for hundreds of potentially new users, who after reading will post threads of equally explicit material. I don't see a reason to keep it, as it is not benefiting VT in anyway. But that's my opinion.




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Old July 19th, 2016, 11:13 PM   #8
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I too don't see a reason in keeping the archives for the P101 forums. Most of which are not just threads that are bumped, but instead they are disturbing to say the least. While the rules state that storytelling is not allowed, keeping the archives in place is nearly just the same as storytelling (Just take a look at some. There are very....interesting threads there). It's just a new location for explicit material just sitting there waiting for hundreds of potentially new users, who after reading will post threads of equally explicit material. I don't see a reason to keep it, as it is not benefiting VT in anyway. But that's my opinion.
Personally, I kind of like having them there as examples of what not to post about. I don't know if anyone benefits from it, but I know before I was a staff member, I paid a lot of attention to the archives to see what kind of things mods were locking so I knew what to report. And perhaps someone has a question that someone has already asked and they've received answers to, thus dissuading them from posting about it and having it locked again (in a perfect world ).

I've never had a problem with the archive being there. I can see why you would, but from my point of view, it's just not an issue or enough of one that it would merit scrapping the archive entirely.

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Old July 20th, 2016, 01:09 AM   #9
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Personally, I kind of like having them there as examples of what not to post about. I don't know if anyone benefits from it, but I know before I was a staff member, I paid a lot of attention to the archives to see what kind of things mods were locking so I knew what to report. And perhaps someone has a question that someone has already asked and they've received answers to, thus dissuading them from posting about it and having it locked again (in a perfect world ).

I've never had a problem with the archive being there. I can see why you would, but from my point of view, it's just not an issue or enough of one that it would merit scrapping the archive entirely.
I guess it's how you look at it then.

From a different perspective, I can see how it is also harmless.

The archive is so massive, that I bet you though that lots of people bypass it entirely just because it's TL;DR. (hence: OP's that make repeat topics we've seen again and again, you can guess they probably didn't read the forums to see if something already in existence answers their question).

I have mixed opinions on SOME of those threads that are graphic in the archive, but are also asking for help on sensitive issues which requires nitty-gritty graphic detail to diagnose a problem and suggest solutions.

Overall I let it go because they're locked and rules are rules, and it's not like those individuals can't find answers elsewhere, it's just they hit a dead-end here.

Oh well not my problem.
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Old July 20th, 2016, 05:06 AM   #10
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I have mixed feeling on this. On one side I like some of the topics, there are some that are legit, and someone has a legit thing they want to talk about. But maybe it was bumped, or just presented in the wrong way, or went way off the OP's intention maybe???

It's also good to look through like what @Elysium said, so you know what not to post, in the innappropriate threads. So that new members can maybe learn from that.

But also, one idea, is what if new threads needed a mod approval for p101 threads before posting them. Yeah I get it might be more work, maybe had a couple volunteers that maybe just do that. And they can even work with the posters on making their post conform to the rules of the forum. Kinda like preventative maintenance

It's a little off topic, but would also help manage the amount of trash getting posted, moderated, then archived.

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Old July 20th, 2016, 05:44 AM   #11
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I think another thing people are forgetting is that a lot of these threads in the P101 Archive are locked because they are bumped. If we just deleted all of the threads in the Archive - we not only are deleting posts of members who are legitimately trying to ask/help with actual puberty concerns (and in some cases help with legit posts in some not-so-legit threads), we would be drastically slashing many members' post counts.

There are threads that do get deleted - things that are (believe it or not) much more graphic than the ones in the Archive, and ones that thankfully most of VT will never see. Trust me when I say we are doing our best to keep this as friendly, helpful, and safe of a community as we possibly can.
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Old July 29th, 2016, 11:28 AM   #12
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I'd also like to add that the P101 archive is not taking a massive toll on the server. Those issues were totally unrelated, we are not concerned with saving a little bit of space by deleting those threads.

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Old July 31st, 2016, 07:30 PM   #13
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Actually instead of removing them can't you make them member only? I feel like that might be a better solution since you guys want to keep them. Making them member only also massivly reduces the guest views which might be...you know...creeps

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Old July 31st, 2016, 07:36 PM   #14
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Actually instead of removing them can't you make them member only? I feel like that might be a better solution since you guys want to keep them. Making them member only also massivly reduces the guest views which might be...you know...creeps
I'd say make all of p101 member only. Although wouldn't they just keep on making new accounts?


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I agree with making P101 member only. But, wouldn't that increase the chance that creeps would make accounts just for the sake of looking at those threads rather than joining for the initial purpose of the site, to seek legitimate advice?

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Old July 31st, 2016, 08:05 PM   #16
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I agree with making P101 member only. But, wouldn't that increase the chance that creeps would make accounts just for the sake of looking at those threads rather than joining for the initial purpose of the site, to seek legitimate advice?
Yeahh we have enough fake members as it is tbh! I'd love for it to be members only, if only for the user's privacy.


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Old July 31st, 2016, 08:48 PM   #17
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I'd say make all of p101 member only. Although wouldn't they just keep on making new accounts?
while not a bad suggestion at all (esp considering the creeps who come here for the sole purpose of p101), there are individuals who also first come here because they have puberty related questions and they can see this is a place where they can ask them.

sadly, with the good often comes the bad. I personally was not drawn here by the puberty thread. I was just looking for time to kill, looked up forums and here I am. so you would still get those people as well as people who need help with other problems. you very well would probably get less creeps, but you would also get less people who are indeed asking questions they may not feel comfortable asking other people in real life.

I could support the decision either way, I see the merits in both, it is just something I would factor in why not completely making the p101 members only.

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P101 Archive threads appear frequently in search engines, too. At the time of writing, there are 339 active users on VT, 41 registered and another 298 visitors. Of those 339, 146 active users are on P101, being only 4 registered on VT but also 142 visitors! That's almost half of the 298 non-vistors online at the moment!!!

Why would you really want to remove it. It's not just the junk threads, but also the threads that got locked or got old! Unlike modern moderation, if you look further into the P101 archives, many, if not most, of the threads there up to 2013 are not locked. I'm assuming they were moved there for being old. So, a harmless thread in the archives where a guy asks for condom advice is perfectly okay for visitors to check out. There are a lot more perfectly okay (P101-wise, at least) threads there.

I don't get it. What is with you guys and P101? Jesus, you guys barely even go there... Just go to your User CP, Edit Options, and exclude P101 from view. Done.

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while not a bad suggestion at all (esp considering the creeps who come here for the sole purpose of p101), there are individuals who also first come here because they have puberty related questions and they can see this is a place where they can ask them.

sadly, with the good often comes the bad. I personally was not drawn here by the puberty thread. I was just looking for time to kill, looked up forums and here I am. so you would still get those people as well as people who need help with other problems. you very well would probably get less creeps, but you would also get less people who are indeed asking questions they may not feel comfortable asking other people in real life.

I could support the decision either way, I see the merits in both, it is just something I would factor in why not completely making the p101 members only.
Yeah I agree with all of this buddy and I actually think p101 is great and helpful however it is abused is all


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Yeah I agree with all of this buddy and I actually think p101 is great and helpful however it is abused is all
it is hard to know where to draw the line for sure. obviously, the safety of the members is most important and if it means making p101 members only, then that is obviously what should be done. a lot of the threads are so painfully just fishing for stuff.

I think one suggestion I read (maybe in this thread) is people need a certain amount of posts before they at least post in here. now, you would still have people viewing it, but it would at least make it harder to post here and give mods a chance to try to kick potential creeps out.

but when it comes to the archive (which is what this thread was about to begin with) wouldn't eliminating it also help make the servers run smoother (I am oblivious when it comes to these things). if they were placed in the archive they were there for a reason and if they are already there, I can see why one would argue for their removal. even deleting some of them and keeping some of the more helpful ones

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