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Old August 13th, 2018, 03:25 PM   #1
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Default Notable People 3: Alexandria Ocasio Cortez

This is the third thread in a series of person-oriented discussion threads, of which I give @Porpoise101 credit for the first two, which discussed Huma Abedin and Peter Thiel. This one is about Alexandria Ocasio Cortez. For those who don't know, she is the current Democrat nominee for the 14th Congressional District of New York. A 28 year-old political newcomer, she shocked the world by beating the high-ranking Democrat incumbent by a wide margin in the primaries, all the while being a self-styled socialist in the vein of Bernie Sanders.

Since her surprise victory many on the Left have praised her as the beginning of a Millennial socialist revolution within the Democratic party. Since her primary win she has been a vocal advocate and supporter for similar socialist candidates. However since her primary victory numerous gaffes, claimed falsehoods, and seeming uncertainty about her political positions has plagued her and her campaign. For instance: claiming unemployment was high due to everyone now having two jobs(false); claiming sexism when a male journalist asked her for a debate, despite repeatedly accusing her male primary opponent of being too scared to debate; going back and forth on her support for current minority head Nancy Pelosi; etc.

I don't want to discuss those issues, so let's not get hung up on them, but simply put Cortez has inspired a large amount of satire and parody from the Right, and the more moderate Democrats have started to come out and say that she isn't qualified enough for Congress. Note that her district is very Blue and that there isn't an active challenger for it, so she is essentially guaranteed the Congressional seat. So what is y'all's opinion on her? Is she a political newbie who is out of her league and should drop out of the race, or is she a bright new face who will lead the Democrats to greener (or should I say redder) pastures?
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Old August 13th, 2018, 04:19 PM   #2
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She should be a warning to the Democrats that they need to correct ship or face the reality of the party being won by inexperienced, unrealistic, lazy, non-voting millenials.

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Old August 13th, 2018, 04:29 PM   #3
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I think she's a sign that people are tired of the Democratic establishment and the status quo. There's a similar division between Republican establishment and Trumpites as well, but the division is not as pronounced as in the Democratic party. I don't know if Ocasio-Cortez's victory is a sign of similar victories, but it's at least a sign that in some areas, the cocksure establishment can't be so cocksure anymore. The Democratic establishment has tried to ignore and actively undermine the more radical Bernie Sanders-like socialist camp, but they may be fighting a losing war.

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Her success makes me happy to see a more dominant, stronger and more socialist demographic successfully taking foothold in American politics that would hopefully shift the political landscape to a more balanced level after decades of the only options being hard-line right and softer, more central right. However, I'll admit a more experienced and self-assured candidate would be preferable since it's not just about winning but also about effective reign. If an experienced, strong socialist was to be elected and lead a good term in Congress, it would do wonders for Bernie-style politics within the Democratic party. That said, Ben Shapiro (the 'journalist' who offered to debate her) isn't offering to debate her for any political gain or discussion, he's purposefully going for someone who knows to be under qualified in debating and political discourse in order to make himself seem smarter. You never see him debating major voices or strong figureheads, just college students and small-time speakers. It's like an experienced gamer who loves playing in noob servers rather than progress to other experienced players.
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The right is comprised of evil hypocrites, so who really cares what they think.
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The right is comprised of evil hypocrites, so who really cares what they think.
Ah yes, I normally don't respond to posts like these but that's a bit ignorant.

First of all if you would just open a political compass you'd see that right and left are mostly about the economic standpoint they take. I suppose what you meant to say is "all conservaties are evil". However judging an entire group just because they don't align with your own viewpoints can be seen as evil too. (right) Libertarians for example, they are very liberal when it comes to social issues but when it comes to economics they are right winged. You really have no reason to make such a claim as there are plenty people on the right who hate Donald Trump and are not racist.


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Ah yes, I normally don't respond to posts like these but that's a bit ignorant.

First of all if you would just open a political compass you'd see that right and left are mostly about the economic standpoint they take. I suppose what you meant to say is "all conservaties are evil". However judging an entire group just because they don't align with your own viewpoints can be seen as evil too. (right) Libertarians for example, they are very liberal when it comes to social issues but when it comes to economics they are right winged. You really have no reason to make such a claim as there are plenty people on the right who hate Donald Trump and are not racist.
The right is no longer comprised of economic conservatives. Republicans are white nationalists with a minority conservative front.
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The right is no longer comprised of economic conservatives. Republicans are white nationalists with a minority conservative front.
Look, I get that you won't be changing you're views anytime soon, but you need to understand that conservatives, do not align with the "alt-rght" alt meaning alternative. Most of the "alt right" it's more closely related to the far left then anything to do with the right. We do not condone the behavior nor beliefs of these racist people. They are a minority, I'm taking maybe 500-600 people, there are tens of millions of conservatives. The "alt right" is by far a minority.

And by saying that the right is no longer economically conservative makes you look ignorant, I'm sure you're not, but you do realize we elected Trump to grow our economy and shrink government don't you?

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I like her

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The Democratic Party will not survive if they don’t distance themselves from centrism and corruption, shes a step in the right direction.

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I like her personality a lot and she's probably my favorite well known lefty at the moment. I think democrats are aware that in certain areas people will want representatives far to the left and other areas will want a more moderate, reasonable left. If the left goes all out Left, they will Lose. But I think they know what they are doing. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez is not winning everywhere in the United States but she's winning New York.

If you look at Maxine Waters, she's pretty far to the left. I believe that a lot of that is because her district and her voters are LA county. She needs to say things to appeal to her voter base. LA County for the most part knows what it wants and she is good for representing her district.

So I think Cortez has a similar situation in New York. She says a lot of blanket statements that don't sound like they are well thought out. What she says is not meaningless because it resonates with her voters. I think when she gets elected, she'll have a term to figure out how policy works, take some notes on the economy and I believe she will be succesful helping her community and will gain experience from that. After 2 years in public office, she'll be a better version of herself in those two years likely.

I think across America, this is not what people want. I imagine there would be a huge backlash from moderate democrats if she were running in Middle America. But this is the East Coast, specifically New York. And she has what the New Yorkers want. I think it is perfect.




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I like her personality a lot and she's probably my favorite well known lefty at the moment. I think democrats are aware that in certain areas people will want representatives far to the left and other areas will want a more moderate, reasonable left. If the left goes all out Left, they will Lose. But I think they know what they are doing. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez is not winning everywhere in the United States but she's winning New York.

If you look at Maxine Waters, she's pretty far to the left. I believe that a lot of that is because her district and her voters are LA county. She needs to say things to appeal to her voter base. LA County for the most part knows what it wants and she is good for representing her district.

So I think Cortez has a similar situation in New York. She says a lot of blanket statements that don't sound like they are well thought out. What she says is not meaningless because it resonates with her voters. I think when she gets elected, she'll have a term to figure out how policy works, take some notes on the economy and I believe she will be succesful helping her community and will gain experience from that. After 2 years in public office, she'll be a better version of herself in those two years likely.

I think across America, this is not what people want. I imagine there would be a huge backlash from moderate democrats if she were running in Middle America. But this is the East Coast, specifically New York. And she has what the New Yorkers want. I think it is perfect.
They canít have it both ways, the Democrats need to pick a side and stop trying to please everyone by changing their mind and policies based on who they are talking to or where they are. They need to chose between the centre and the left. No matter where you are politically, in politics it is impossible to be liked by everyone. Instead of trying to be liked by everyone and they need to make up their mind, and say ďthis is what we want to do, this is what we think works and is the best solution or policyĒ.

The need of being liked by everyone is why a president like Obama was so disappointing to many or that Hilary Clinton was so unpopular. Itís why politicians like Bernie Sanders or Alexandria Ocasio Cortez are so popular, they donít try to be liked by everyone, they keep spreading their message and say what they believe while knowing and accepting that some people might not like what they are saying or disagree with them but they donít care, no matter who they are talking to or where they are. Thatís what the Democratic Party needs to do, pick a side, either they are centrists or liberal.

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They can’t have it both ways, the Democrats need to pick a side and stop trying to please everyone by changing their mind and policies based on who they are talking to or where they are. They need to chose between the centre and the left. No matter where you are politically, in politics it is impossible to be liked by everyone. Instead of trying to be liked by everyone and they need to make up their mind, and say “this is what we want to do, this is what we think works and is the best solution or policy”.
I'll agree, the lack of an unified policy on many issues is harmful for Democrats. The Democrats are essentially going into these midterm elections united by one thing, a hatred of Trump. While anti-Trumpism is a powerful force in the current landscape, it isn't stable in the long-term, nor is it conducive to results outside of stale-mating Trump. On immigration and the economy, two of the most prominent issues in US politics which are also a large part of Trump's agenda, there are wildly different views in the Democratic Party. You have Liberals who support free-market capitalism, and socialists (some of which still closeted) who want a command-style economy. On immigration you have those who would support deportations, a wall, and no citizenship (as long as Donald Trump isn't issuing the order of course), while other Democrats want essentially open-borders and full amnesty with path to citizenship.

Diversity in thought is good, I'm not saying the Dems should be mindless drones to the collective opinion, the Republicans certainly aren't like that, but it would be good to atleast have some unified vision. Where our thoughts veer, is that I think it would be Democrats best interests to stay center-left, rather than proceeding to the socialist far-left. The reason why national Democrat candidates typically run on more moderate positions is not because they are bleeding cowards (well, maybe a little bit) but because they know a far-left candidate simply will not win national elections. Far-left candidates can win regional elections in some very liberal urban and metropolitan areas, but a large part of the national Democrat vote is the more moderate, poorer Democrats in more rural areas who vote Democrat mainly on economic and welfare issues. One of the big reasons Donald Trump won was him getting the "working-man Democrat" vote in northern states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Ohio. A far-left candidate simply can't win. People like to point to Bernie Sanders as a successful candidate, but he honestly never had a real chance at the election, and I believe he only ran for the publicity. He only got as far as he did because he was running against an unpopular primary opponent.
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