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Old July 19th, 2019, 10:54 PM   #1
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Iran seized 2 tankers, one British flag and other Liberian flag while sailing through the Straits of Hormuz. The Liberian ship was released. But, the British tanker, "Stena Impero" remains in Iranian port.

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Old July 21st, 2019, 09:28 AM   #2
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Probably nothing: the ship will be released eventually and likely after some negotiations in which Iran will demand an end to the US embargo.
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Old July 21st, 2019, 01:39 PM   #3
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Just would like to point out the UK did the same thing to an Iranian tanker transporting oil to Syria.

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Old July 21st, 2019, 02:34 PM   #4
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Just would like to point out the UK did the same thing to an Iranian tanker transporting oil to Syria.
that is because it was a breach of EU sanctions.

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So the plan to put Iran it is place is working really well!
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It's amazing how some people seem to constantly side with known terror-states over western democracies. They go out of their way to validate the actions of these nations, and then make concoct conspiracy theories and red herrings to try to place the blame on their own. Idk the exact situation between the UK and Iran, but common-sense seems to say that I should side with the peaceful republic rather than the increasingly aggressive dictatorship until clear evidence says otherwise.

As for the ship-napping, I don't know Iran's endgame in all this. Is it about repealing US sanctions? Is it about judging western nations' response to Iranian aggression? Or is it just retribution for the tanker seized at Gibraltar? Hard to say. I doubt it's just the last one, Iran's game seems bigger than just avenging a seized tanker, but let's just wait and see.

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Old July 23rd, 2019, 09:30 AM   #7
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I think that Iran's endgame is twofold. First, it's to pressure the world, especially the EU and others, to force the US to end their sanctions against Iran. Second, they want to be able to continue their enrichment program of uranium to weapons grade in order to make a nuclear device. Once that happens they will be in a position to dominate their neighbors and enemies in the Middle East, specifically Israel and Saudi Arabia. The seizure of the British tanker is just the beginning. It would be interesting how the new British PM will react on the seizure of one of their assests. Stay tuned.

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that is because it was a breach of EU sanctions.
Illegal EU sanctions, condemned by the UN, and that are hurting and angering the population to help the US overthrow Assad.

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It's amazing how some people seem to constantly side with known terror-states over western democracies. They go out of their way to validate the actions of these nations, and then make concoct conspiracy theories and red herrings to try to place the blame on their own. Idk the exact situation between the UK and Iran, but common-sense seems to say that I should side with the peaceful republic rather than the increasingly aggressive dictatorship until clear evidence says otherwise.
Yeah obviously Iran is in the wrong here. I mean what are they doing setting up a country in the middle of all those innocent US military bases.

Iran is clearly the aggressor here.

It's amazing how people are still buying US propaganda after what happened/is happening with Iraq 2x, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, Somalia, Libya, Sudan etc. The US have the biggest terror program in the world, what act of terrorism as Iran done? Stealing a tanker after one of their own tanker was stolen? Iran is just defending themselves against US-Israeli aggressors.

You know who is constantly siding with terror-states? Western democracies! The US, Saudi Arabia (who funded the 9/11 terrorists) and Israel are the 3 biggest terror state in the world and all good friends with Western leaders.

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Illegal EU sanctions, condemned by the UN, and that are hurting and angering the population to help the US overthrow Assad.



Yeah obviously Iran is in the wrong here. I mean what are they doing setting up a country in the middle of all those innocent US military bases. image

Iran is clearly the aggressor here.
What you clearly don't get is that Iran is a Persian country isolated between Arab countries.
What you don't get is that Shia Iran is in the middle of Sunni countries.

This is why Iran seeks power in neighbouring countries, favouring and helping Shiite governments or rulers, shiite revolutions and shiite minorities. This is why Iran is accused of terrorism. Oh yes, except in countries where Sunnis rule, Shiites are often persecuted - and Iran gives them power to fight unfair violences!
This is why Iran would want the nuclear bomb to be able to make Arab countries fear Iran.
Iran doesn't really give a shit about American bases.

Ever heard of the Iran - Iraq war ? Ever heard of the dispute about the Persian gulf name (moron Arab countries name it Arab gulf) ? Ever heard how Sunnis and Shiites often kill each other in Iraq (bomb cars, suicide bombings, etc) and elsewhere ?
No, you, as an American, only think about the US. It is the centre of the world.

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It's amazing how some people seem to constantly side with known terror-states over western democracies. They go out of their way to validate the actions of these nations, and then make concoct conspiracy theories and red herrings to try to place the blame on their own. Idk the exact situation between the UK and Iran, but common-sense seems to say that I should side with the peaceful republic rather than the increasingly aggressive dictatorship until clear evidence says otherwise.

As for the ship-napping, I don't know Iran's endgame in all this. Is it about repealing US sanctions? Is it about judging western nations' response to Iranian aggression? Or is it just retribution for the tanker seized at Gibraltar? Hard to say. I doubt it's just the last one, Iran's game seems bigger than just avenging a seized tanker, but let's just wait and see.
Itís worth pointing out here that only the cargo was detained, not the tanker itself. If there were a way of separating the cargo from its vessel, that would have been achieved. Gibraltar is a British Crown Dependency. The straits of Gibraltar are amongst the busiest shipping lanes in the world hence Gibraltarís strategic importance. Iím not a politician (obviously) but the powers that ordered the seizure of said tanker were only following maritime legislation due to sanctions.

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Illegal EU sanctions, condemned by the UN, and that are hurting and angering the population to help the US overthrow Assad.



Yeah obviously Iran is in the wrong here. I mean what are they doing setting up a country in the middle of all those innocent US military bases. image

Iran is clearly the aggressor here.

It's amazing how people are still buying US propaganda after what happened/is happening with Iraq 2x, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, Somalia, Libya, Sudan etc. The US have the biggest terror program in the world, what act of terrorism as Iran done? Stealing a tanker after one of their own tanker was stolen? Iran is just defending themselves against US-Israeli aggressors.

You know who is constantly siding with terror-states? Western democracies! The US, Saudi Arabia (who funded the 9/11 terrorists) and Israel are the 3 biggest terror state in the world and all good friends with Western leaders.

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