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Old October 30th, 2009, 08:36 PM   #101
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It's not cutting yourself that's the problem it's how deep you go, how frequent it is, and the reason behind doing it. Hurting yourself just puts you one stop closer to suicide. With each cut your just that closer to death unless you're a lying attention whore. I'll explain it more later on but right now I'm not really to focused on this thread.
Not really. I cut for years and years and years, and it helped me avoid suicide. If I hadn't had that release and that method of coping, I bet I would have killed myself.
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Old October 30th, 2009, 09:06 PM   #102
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I agree, cutting isn't some sort of gateway to suicide, or a stop along the way. It's a way to cope, as much as we all know how destructive and unhealthy it is. Suicide isn't coping, it's ending things so that you won't have to cope. Cutting doesn't always happen before suicide, and it doesn't make a person more likely to commit suicide. The only connection between cutters and those who attempt to kill themselves, in my mind, is that they're both depressed.

Cutting is never intended to cause lethal damage. It's true that some people go deeper over time and thus it gets more dangerous, but suicide is intentional. Accidental death isn't the same as suicide, even if the cause of death was self-inflicted.

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Old October 31st, 2009, 01:12 PM   #103
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Ok, so are we going to take action now?
Seems like a lot of people want to change the thread in some way.
Maybe we could vote on how it should be changed?

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Old October 31st, 2009, 03:58 PM   #104
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The mods are actually doing some discussion about changing the thread, and so far we haven't made any decisions to take action.

In my personal opinion, the changes which have been proposed in this thread are largely just not feasible. As much as I am one of the people who don't enjoy reading post after post talking about how much people have cut themselves and how shitty they feel, and how that entire thread is just so depressing to go through... It does serve some purpose. If we limit posts to not include number of cuts or severity, and to just say, "I self-harmed today," we give off the impression that it's not okay to talk about it. I don't think we need to add any confusion over where it's ok to talk about things and where we have to be vague and avoid those things. This is meant to be a supportive community, and if kids feel like they can't even talk about the problems they need support on... what good are we really doing? For those of us who don't enjoy reading that thread, we can stay away from it.

I also stated above that I don't agree with the suggestion of merging self-harm and non-self-harm calendars because of the vast differences in purpose.

Now, my opinion isn't the only one that matters, and we do always welcome suggestions. This is my opinion on the matter, though, and I also just wanted to let you know that the moderators are aware of the complaints which have been voiced in this thread--we're not ignoring you guys.

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Old October 31st, 2009, 04:13 PM   #105
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Maybe the person could give the number of figures the number of cuts was in, or just say if it was only a few or allot, and not say how deep it was, I think we should do what Katina said.

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Old November 2nd, 2009, 08:16 AM   #106
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To the previous, deleted, post(er) VT doesn't flaunt SH and you need to watch your tone

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Old November 2nd, 2009, 12:39 PM   #107
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How to define the deepness of cuts? I honestly don't know how to define that. I don't think I've ever done something serious, just shallow and one or two medium, in my opinion. But when I look at the ways other people define it, all I've done is shallow. That is fine to me. I won't go bragging about the dept of my cuts.

I have posted to the SH Calender, but only to keep track of it for me. I didn't want pity, and I never asked for that. Some people asked me what was wrong after I posted, and then I answered them as good as I could. I do think that some people exaggerate about the dept of their cuts, but I think less than 50 %. I also tried to encourage people to try to stop, as much as I could.

The NSH Calender has been - and is - really helpful for me. It not only helps me keep track of the amount of time, but it also gives me a good feeling when I can post there and I reached my goal. Then I can be proud of myself, and I'll try even harder after that. I admit that I did post things like 'I'm gonna give in/ I can't keep it up' etc, but I'm trying my best to keep it positive and encourage other people to keep it up.

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Old November 2nd, 2009, 02:22 PM   #108
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I actually like the non-selfharm calendar....it's more encouraging than anything. I can't stand the self harm calendar though.
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Old November 2nd, 2009, 02:33 PM   #109
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Some people asked me what was wrong after I posted, and then I answered them as good as I could.
And thats fine because your not trying to bullshit everyone

but when people post stupid numbers of deep cuts then say they dont want to talk about it thats when the thread starts to piss everyone off and starts becoming useless.

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Old November 2nd, 2009, 02:58 PM   #110
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Honestly, when I look in that thread. I feel a deep sense of hatred. Not because of the poeple but because it brings up everything thing that I've supressed for years. It's a very difficult thing to keep around, most people do self harm, while others are trying their best to quit. Its kind of like fuel to the fire.

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Old November 2nd, 2009, 03:01 PM   #111
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Honestly, when I look in that thread. I feel a deep sense of hatred. Not because of the poeple but because it brings up everything thing that I've supressed for years. It's a very difficult thing to keep around, most people do self harm, while others are trying their best to quit. Its kind of like fuel to the fire.
Yes but for those seeking help its a way of talking about what theyve done and makes it easier to tell others

when used properly that is

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Old November 2nd, 2009, 03:04 PM   #112
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Yes but for those seeking help its a way of talking about what theyve done and makes it easier to tell others

when used properly that is
I know that, but I mean think about it. Its a log of self harm. Its sad, but you know I don't doubt its purpose.

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Old November 2nd, 2009, 03:06 PM   #113
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I know that, but I mean think about it. Its a log of self harm. Its sad, but you know I don't doubt its purpose.
I know that also haha i was just clarifying for anyone who was unaware of that who was going to agree with you and demand it gone

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Old November 2nd, 2009, 06:07 PM   #114
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I know that also haha i was just clarifying for anyone who was unaware of that who was going to agree with you and demand it gone
Yeah >,> hahah I should of clarified that as well.

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