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Old December 22nd, 2017, 05:57 AM   #1
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The UN General Assembly voted 128-9 to declare US President Donald Trump's declaration of Jerusalem as Israel's capital "null and void".

The vote, while a victory for the Palestinians, was significantly lower than its supporters had hoped for, with many forecasting at least 150 "yes" votes. There were a total of 35, while 21 nations did not turn up for the vote.

Western-backed Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas welcomed the result, his spokesman saying: "The vote is a victory for Palestine.

"We will continue our efforts in the United Nations and at all international forums to put an end to this occupation and to establish our Palestinian state with east Jerusalem as its capital."

President Donald Trump has threatened to cut aid to countries that support a draft UN resolution calling for the United States to withdraw its Jerusalem decision.

But, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said UN member states should not let their decision over the vote be dictated by money.

"Mr. Trump, you cannot buy Turkey's democratic will with your dollars," he said. "The dollars will come back, but your will won't once it's sold.

"That is why your stance is important."

He added: "I hope and expect the United States won't get the result it expects from there and the world will give a very good lesson to the United States".
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Honestly, I am glad that the Palestinians won this one. Israel has been taking their ancestral lands since 1948 and Palestine has been shrinking ever since.

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Old December 22nd, 2017, 10:47 AM   #2
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This vote does absolutely nothing. The USA is still planning to move their embassy to Jerusalem, Trump and the UN ambassador has made that clear. This resolution is essentially just a pointless political stunt to appease oil-rich Muslim countries. Remember, this is the same UN that has Saudi Arabia on the women's right commission, appeasing the Islamic oil states has always been one of the tenants of the UN.
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But, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said UN member states should not let their decision over the vote be dictated by money.

"Mr. Trump, you cannot buy Turkey's democratic will with your dollars," he said. "The dollars will come back, but your will won't once it's sold.
If money wasn't involved when it came to Israel, the UN would give Israel permission to take over the Middle-East.

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Old December 22nd, 2017, 10:48 AM   #3
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Even if we ignore what they are even voting for, by threatening nations that don't back the US all Trump will do is fulfill the image of the US that its enemies are trying to portray: an arrogant bully that thinks it can just throw its weight around and expects everyone to just fall to its will.
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Old December 22nd, 2017, 12:15 PM   #4
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If money wasn't involved when it came to Israel, the UN would give Israel permission to take over the Middle-East.
If money wasn't involved, Israel would not be existing in the first place, just sayin'.

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Even if we ignore what they are even voting for, by threatening nations that don't back the US all Trump will do is fulfill the image of the US that its enemies are trying to portray: an arrogant bully that thinks it can just throw its weight around and expects everyone to just fall to its will.
It's true, this time it literally sounded like Trump was threatening aid-dependant countries.

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I support Trump on this one. The UN has always had it out for Israel and the antisemitism of many of the muslim countries like Turkey and Iran is allowed to go too far.

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If money wasn't involved, Israel would not be existing in the first place, just sayin'.
No idea what you are getting at. Israel is supported by the USA due to it being an allied, democratic power in the Middle East, not because there is some monetary incentive. This just seems like a pointless deflection because you can't address my statement concerning the monetary influence anti-Semitic Muslim countries have over the United Nations.

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Old December 22nd, 2017, 05:03 PM   #7
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This vote does absolutely nothing. The USA is still planning to move their embassy to Jerusalem, Trump and the UN ambassador has made that clear. This resolution is essentially just a pointless political stunt to appease oil-rich Muslim countries. Remember, this is the same UN that has Saudi Arabia on the women's right commission, appeasing the Islamic oil states has always been one of the tenants of the UN.
The vote is more symbolic, to show the Muslim world that the US are alone on this non-sense.

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If money wasn't involved when it came to Israel, the UN would give Israel permission to take over the Middle-East.
If money wasn't involved this conflict would've been over decades ago.

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Even if we ignore what they are even voting for, by threatening nations that don't back the US all Trump will do is fulfill the image of the US that its enemies are trying to portray: an arrogant bully that thinks it can just throw its weight around and expects everyone to just fall to its will.
I think their enemies succeeded a long time ago. Also this is not bullying this is a child saying if you don't let me win I'm going home with my ball.

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No idea what you are getting at. Israel is supported by the USA due to it being an allied, democratic power in the Middle East, not because there is some monetary incentive. This just seems like a pointless deflection because you can't address my statement concerning the monetary influence anti-Semitic Muslim countries have over the United Nations.
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There really is money involved. Not to mention the arms industry of the US churring out weapons to kill Palestinian civilians. Besides, the whole "Jerusalem is a capital of a unified Israel" gig is declared illegal by the UN, just like the annexation of the territories they occupied.

Not to mention Israel has literally penned the Palestinians into small pockets like the West Bank amd Gaza and is treating them like cattle. Palestinians live like in ghettos. Ironic thing is, the ones penning them in were a victim of them once too.

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Myself and most world leaders are happy with the decision. I'm also glad that Trump wasn't able to bully the world into doing what he wants for his son-in-law. Another really good reason to think that Trump will try to eventually form a coup.


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Old December 24th, 2017, 06:21 AM   #10
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Myself and most world leaders are happy with the decision. I'm also glad that Trump wasn't able to bully the world into doing what he wants for his son-in-law. Another really good reason to think that Trump will try to eventually form a coup.
Form a coup? What are you talking about? The man js disliked by the political establishment, the high-ranking military and probably by the intelligence circles. He cannot execute a coup. Even if he had support of the most agencies, the US has made so many checks and balances between agencies that a coup becomes neigh impossible.

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Form a coup? What are you talking about? The man js disliked by the political establishment, the high-ranking military and probably by the intelligence circles. He cannot execute a coup. Even if he had support of the most agencies, the US has made so many checks and balances between agencies that a coup becomes neigh impossible.
Checks and balances? You know this is the country that re-elected a war criminal and mass murderer to president and got a pussy grabber/possible Russian spy as current president. I think check and balances died a long time ago.

I agree tho that he won't form a coup, I think its more related to his intelligence level and incompetence than his support from the military and intelligence agencies. As for the political establishment as long they feel they can still get things done out of him they will continue to kiss is ass and do what he wants. If Trump came out tomorrow and said ''All those things you think I did with Russia? I did them. I colluded with Russia to get elected president.'' His party would still be fine with it as long he still plans to sign their health care bill.

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There really is money involved. Not to mention the arms industry of the US churring out weapons to kill Palestinian civilians.
Interesting, though everything you mentioned is pretty small-scale compared to the money coming from the Arab oil states. Anyways, you hear plenty of stories like this when is comes to America and smaller powers. Which again, despite what monetary advantage selling weapons brings, the underlining reason for selling weapons is to help an ally. After all, the US sold weapons to England during WWI a plenty. Would you really say the only reason the USA sold those weapons is to exploit England for money during it's time of need? Instead of, I don't know, helping stop a hostile German army from taking over Europe?

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Besides, the whole "Jerusalem is a capital of a unified Israel" gig is declared illegal by the UN, just like the annexation of the territories they occupied.
Let's talk about UN resolutions against Israel. Of the UN resolutions of the last decade, over 80% were aimed at Israel. The beacon of democracy in the Middle East has gained significantly more ire with the UN than the authoritarian NK regime, the near-nuclear Iran, the slave-trading Yemen (who happened to co-sponsor this vote with Turkey), the bio-weapon using, populace slaughtering Syria, the failed and starving socialist Venezuela, and the genocidal Myanmar, combined. Now tell me there isn't an anti-Israel bias in the UN.

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Not to mention Israel has literally penned the Palestinians into small pockets like the West Bank amd Gaza and is treating them like cattle. Palestinians live like in ghettos. Ironic thing is, the ones penning them in were a victim of them once too.
If they have accepted any of the numerous peace offerings the Israeli government has offered, and not continued killing Israeli citizens, then perhaps they could live better lives.
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Form a coup? What are you talking about? The man js disliked by the political establishment, the high-ranking military and probably by the intelligence circles. He cannot execute a coup. Even if he had support of the most agencies, the US has made so many checks and balances between agencies that a coup becomes neigh impossible.
I never said that he will successfully form a coup. It is almost impossible in this day in age to do so in the United States. He will continue to bully his way into trying to stay in office permanently.


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Interesting, though everything you mentioned is pretty small-scale compared to the money coming from the Arab oil states. Anyways, you hear plenty of stories like this when is comes to America and smaller powers. Which again, despite what monetary advantage selling weapons brings, the underlining reason for selling weapons is to help an ally. After all, the US sold weapons to England during WWI a plenty. Would you really say the only reason the USA sold those weapons is to exploit England for money during it's time of need? Instead of, I don't know, helping stop a hostile German army from taking over Europe?


Let's talk about UN resolutions against Israel. Of the UN resolutions of the last decade, over 80% were aimed at Israel. The beacon of democracy in the Middle East has gained significantly more ire with the UN than the authoritarian NK regime, the near-nuclear Iran, the slave-trading Yemen (who happened to co-sponsor this vote with Turkey), the bio-weapon using, populace slaughtering Syria, the failed and starving socialist Venezuela, and the genocidal Myanmar, combined. Now tell me there isn't an anti-Israel bias in the UN.


If they have accepted any of the numerous peace offerings the Israeli government has offered, and not continued killing Israeli citizens, then perhaps they could live better lives.
The fact that Israel is a democracy doesn't mean they are absolved of their crimes and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. Hitler actively fought for animal rights, but that does not make him any less of a monster. The Israeli have been occupying territory they have no right to since thenfifties and the sixties. They turned every offensive war against them into outward expansion and into seizing more land from Palestine. No matter what, you cannot justify penning a people like cattle into ghetto-like areas like the Palestinians are now.

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I never said that he will successfully form a coup. It is almost impossible in this day in age to do so in the United States. He will continue to bully his way into trying to stay in office permanently.
He can't really. He can push for a second term and have a chance of winning, but cannot do anything beyond that. Fortunately the US head of state is not chosen like the head of state of China or Russia.

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Good, that stupid decision helps absolutely no one. This whole conflict has dragged on for too long and everybody is sick of it. Was Trump thinking he was doing the world a favor or what? No, he just needlessly increased tensions, as if they needed to be increased in the first place.

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Good, that stupid decision helps absolutely no one. This whole conflict has dragged on for too long and everybody is sick of it. Was Trump thinking he was doing the world a favor or what? No, he just needlessly increased tensions, as if they needed to be increased in the first place.
I can imagine that in the next Hezbollah-Israeli conflict, Hezbollah would pose a larger danger to Israel due to battle-hardened soldiers and lessons learned while helping Assad.
This was probably the worst thing the US could do in this time. Plus it is bad for the US because they alienated Turkey, Saudi Arabia and other US allies in the region.

On a side note, I think Erdogan smacked Trump down with that statement pretty hard.

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Fingers crossed the EU, China, Australia, Canada and every other major ally of the US also keeps this vote in mind. Its just yet another example of the Trump Administration thinking that it can do what it likes and face no backlash because the entire world eats from its hand. Just as the United States can bully smaller countries that rely on its help, the rest of the developed world can too choose to cut any military and economic assistance it currently send to assist the US. We can see just how well that economy does after that.
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Fingers crossed the EU, China, Australia, Canada and every other major ally of the US also keeps this vote in mind. Its just yet another example of the Trump Administration thinking that it can do what it likes and face no backlash because the entire world eats from its hand. Just as the United States can bully smaller countries that rely on its help, the rest of the developed world can too choose to cut any military and economic assistance it currently send to assist the US. We can see just how well that economy does after that.
Didn't Canada and Australia abstain from voting?
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