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Old October 30th, 2017, 02:30 PM   #1
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Paul Manafort, a former campaign manager for President Donald Trump, and his business partner pleaded not guilty Monday to charges of money laundering and conspiracy against the United States, the most serious step yet in a special counsel investigation into Russian links with Trump's 2016 White House campaign.

Manafort and Rick Gates entered not guilty pleas in a Washington, D.C., court on Monday afternoon.

The charges are the first from special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation, which is also examining possible collusion between members of Trump's campaign and transition teams and foreign governments. Mueller has been given the authority to prosecute any alleged crimes that result from the course of the investigation.

"The indictment contains 12 counts: conspiracy against the United States, conspiracy to launder money, unregistered agent of a foreign principal, false and misleading FARA statements, false statements, and seven counts of failure to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts," the counsel said in a statement, referring to the Foreign Agents Registration Act.

The indictment says more than $75 million US flowed through Manafort's and Gates's offshore accounts. Manafort, the indictment alleges, laundered more than $18 million.

Manafort was indicted on nine counts and Gates was indicted on eight counts.

If convicted, Manafort potentially would face up to 80 years in prison, according to a review of the federal charges and the relevant statutes by The Associated Press, while Gates would face up to 70 years.

Among other things, Mueller has been investigating Manafort's financial and real estate dealings and his prior work for that political group, the Party of Regions, which backed former Ukrainian leader Viktor Yanukovich, sources have told Reuters. In July, FBI agents raided Manafort's Virginia home.

Manafort, 68, served the Trump campaign from June to August of 2016 before resigning amid reports that he might have received millions in illegal payments from a pro-Russian political party in Ukraine.

Investigations into Russian links with the Trump campaign, including Mueller's and probes by several congressional panels, have dogged Trump's presidency since the Republican took office in January and widened the partisan rift between Republicans and Democrats.

U.S. intelligence agencies concluded in January that Russia interfered in the election to try to help Trump defeat Democrat Hillary Clinton by hacking and releasing embarrassing emails and disseminating propaganda via social media to discredit her.

Mueller is also investigating whether Trump campaign officials colluded with those Russian efforts.

Trump has denied the allegations and called the probe "a witch hunt."

The Kremlin also has denied the allegations.

The president has also sought to shift attention to a uranium deal with a Russian firm that took place during Clinton's time as secretary of state and a dossier containing allegations about Trump and Russia that the Democrats were in possession of during the campaign.

Trump again made Clinton accusations in his first tweet since the Manafort indictment was announced. He characterized the allegations Manafort faced as predating his time on the Trump campaign, although the indictment states the activities continued into 2017.

Sarah Huckabee Sanders, the White House press secretary, also rejected any connection to Trump's campaign in a briefing with reporters. When asked whether the president would consider pardons of any individuals found guilty in the criminal investigation, she said the administration would "let the process play" through.

Sanders said she didn't believe that the indictment was a commentary on the thoroughness, or lack thereof, of the vetting process of Trump campaign officials, or the president's judgment, given that the alleged activities were over a number of years.

Mueller, a former director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, has been looking into possible links between Trump aides and foreign governments, as well as potential money laundering, tax evasion and other financial crimes, according to sources familiar with the probe.

He also is exploring whether Trump or his aides have tried to obstruct the investigation, and on Monday, the special counsel's office announced that a Trump adviser, George Papadopolous, pleaded guilty on Oct. 5 to making false statements to FBI agents.

Papadopolous, a Chicago native and international energy lawyer, was part of Trump's advisory team during the 2016 presidential campaign.

The special counsel said Papadopoulos told FBI agents he had been in contact with an unnamed foreign "professor" who claimed to have "dirt" on Clinton in the form of "thousands of emails," and that Papadopolous claimed such contacts occurred before he joined Trump's campaign.

But the prosecutor said Papadopolous in fact did not meet the professor until after he joined Trump's campaign.

Trump has not yet commented on the Papadopolous plea but Sanders sought to diminish his role in the campaign, calling him a member of a volunteer advisory committee and that his plea relates to "his failure to tell the truth" and not campaign activities.

However in court documents released Monday, an unidentified campaign official is said to have advised Papadopoulos around May 2016 that Trump himself "is not doing these trips," but that "it should be someone low level in the campaign so as not to send any signal."

Sanders said "she was not aware of that conversation" and refused to comment.

Conservative allies attack Mueller

Mueller was appointed to lead the investigation a week after Trump's May 9 firing of FBI director James Comey, who was heading a federal probe into possible collusion with Russia.

Trump initially said he fired Comey because his leadership of the FBI was inadequate. In a later interview with NBC, he cited "this Russia thing" as his reason.

The White House said in the summer that Trump had no intention of firing Mueller even though he questioned his impartiality. The possibility of arrests and indictments spurred some of Trump's allies in conservative media outlets to call for Mueller's firing in recent days.

Democratic Senate leader Chuck Schumer on Monday called for the Trump administration to avoid interfering with the special prosecutor's probe.

"The rule of law is paramount in America and the investigation must be allowed to proceed unimpeded," said Schumer. "The president must not, under any circumstances, interfere with the special counsel's work in any way."
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Old October 30th, 2017, 03:17 PM   #2
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Manafort should be prosecuted, but admittedly this is nothing new, or of any actual substance towards the Trump/Russia collusion conspiracy theory. It's been well known for months now that Manafort has done some shady dealings in the past. His indictment here is based upon those shady dealings, especially those involving Russians. While it does solidify the idea that Russia has been participating in bribery and interference with Americans for years prior to the election, this is not connected to the 2016 election nor Donald Trump. Neither of which is even mentioned in the indictment. It may eventually wrap back around to Donald Trump (which I think is Mueller's goal here) but currently it isn't related besides the fact Manafort worked for Trump for two months.

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Old October 30th, 2017, 11:00 PM   #3
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Manafort should be prosecuted, but admittedly this is nothing new, or of any actual substance towards the Trump/Russia collusion conspiracy theory. It's been well known for months now that Manafort has done some shady dealings in the past. His indictment here is based upon those shady dealings, especially those involving Russians. While it does solidify the idea that Russia has been participating in bribery and interference with Americans for years prior to the election, this is not connected to the 2016 election nor Donald Trump. Neither of which is even mentioned in the indictment. It may eventually wrap back around to Donald Trump (which I think is Mueller's goal here) but currently it isn't related besides the fact Manafort worked for Trump for two months.
Not connected to the 2016 election? All three guys who were arrested worked on Trump campaign one of them being his former campaign manager. I'll agree that nothing we have seen while suspicious does not personally involve Trump and it seems like they did this on purpose following what we learned from Papadopoulos. Also very suspicious Trump's response to the indictment.

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Old October 31st, 2017, 12:25 PM   #4
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Hillary was also propped up by the Gulf States, including Saudi Arabia which have the largest human rights violations in the world. Literally it's nothing new.

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Nothing here directly mentions Trump at all beyond their involvements to his campaign. The best advice anyone can give the guy is to shut up and let the investigators take down Manafort. In that way, he keeps himself out of the spotlight as much as possible. If (in the very likely event of) he continues to speak up and make a fuss, it only makes him look guilty of crimes he's not being accused of and stoke the accusations even more.
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This is called deflection, and repeated affirmation.

@Stronk Serb is also using deflection.

When someone is being charged with several serious federal crimes including conspiracy & money laundering, how hard is it to just denounce them?

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This is called deflection, and repeated affirmation.

@Stronk Serb is also using deflection.

When someone is being charged with several serious federal crimes including conspiracy & money laundering, how hard is it to just denounce them?
Yeah but I find it highly hypocritical that Hillary and the Clinton Foundation are not being investigated for their ties with the Gulf States and for financial crime. There is something called the rule of law and it means that law applies to everyone not selectively like in this case. Prosecute them both.

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Yeah but I find it highly hypocritical that Hillary and the Clinton Foundation are not being investigated for their ties with the Gulf States and for financial crime. There is something called the rule of law and it means that law applies to everyone not selectively like in this case. Prosecute them both.
This thread has nothing, I repeat NOTHING, to do with Hilary Clinton. You are the one who brought up Hilary Clinton, there is no "hypocrisy".
You're just deflecting the conversation at hand for no reason, stop it.

Just so you know, I hate Hilary too.
But, I would like to see some sources for your claims against her.

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This is called deflection, and repeated affirmation.
Personally I like the "DO SOMETHING" tweet better.

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@Stronk Serb is also using deflection.

When someone is being charged with several serious federal crimes including conspiracy & money laundering, how hard is it to just denounce them?
Apparently for some people as hard as it is for Trump do denounce Neo-Nazis.

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Yeah but I find it highly hypocritical that Hillary and the Clinton Foundation are not being investigated for their ties with the Gulf States and for financial crime. There is something called the rule of law and it means that law applies to everyone not selectively like in this case. Prosecute them both.
Shes not president or linked in any way to the current president she is free to commit any financial crime she wants and have ties with any country she wants like any other regular rich white person living in the US.

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