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Old June 10th, 2017, 04:55 PM   #21
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Perhaps I need to rephrase my concerns. Right now, because the staff is so secretive and slow, it gives the impression that they don't do anything. The "behind the scenes" defense has become so common to the point of parody.

I am just suggestin for the staff to regularly update the people on current projects. The VT staff should be transparent, and only updating us on a "need to know" basis is the exact opposite of that. You are a teen forum, not a world government after all. Perhaps a bi-weekly update, so people can see that the staff is actually working on stuff, instead of twiddling their thumbs.

Anyhow, I was mainly aiming this conversation towards the absent admin, since by your own admission you can't do anything about this by yourself.
Unfortunately yeah, quite a bit is out of my hands in terms of actual progress or change. I can prompt and guide discussion and decisions, but actually implementing most anything is beyond my power.

Some sort of newsletter or update is also an idea, though. However the things to include that immediately come to mind for me would probably require an admin's help. Most often we're not actually working on things as a team - since power limitations and all and lack of suggestions or ideas for new or different things - we mainly just keep things running on a day to day basis, so updates from me would probably be along the lines of, "We're discussing this!" I can't get more specific than that because either progress hasn't been made beyond that point or the progress that needs to be made might be out of my power. I hope she doesn't mind me speaking for her, but Val is doing the best that she can. She's not as skilled as Mike, to my knowledge doesn't have as much access since she's not the site owner, and of course, as always, is dealing with her own life.

(The more I think about it, I kind of like the idea of a monthly newsletter or something. Notable threads, posts, that kinda thing. It'd be a lot of work, but might foster community and engagement...)

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Old June 10th, 2017, 07:05 PM   #22
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@Elysium I think the best route to go for public updates on our progress is just posting in the thread where the idea originated so no one feels ignored/left in the dark. There's no point in making new threads or announcements just to say "we're working on it" and similar things. Posting updates in the original thread would also allow further discussion and input from other members, which I think is very important since most changes would affect us as a whole.

The newsletter is a great idea, and I'd be willing to help get it going if there ends up being enough support. But enough of that for now, I don't want to get off-topic.

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^^I second this. The best way to update the users on project progress would be to post in the thread where the idea originated. That would allow the users to most easily witness the progress, and chime in some suggestions. While I agree that a newsletter is a great idea, and something I would love to help with personally, that is a discussion for another thread.
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Old June 10th, 2017, 08:51 PM   #24
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I'll shelve the newsletter idea for now.

I'll also make it a point to try to remember to give updates... but I'm worried that it's going to become just a series of non-updates. Worth a shot, anyway.

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I'll shelve the newsletter idea for now.

I'll also make it a point to try to remember to give updates... but I'm worried that it's going to become just a series of non-updates. Worth a shot, anyway.
We'd rather have a few small updates than not knowing what is actually going on at all. Keeping the members informed is always a good thing.

I would still like the opinions of both other staff members and maybe Val, since Mike isn't present at the moment. I feel like the opinions of the other staff members in this thread are important and can help out a lot honestly.


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We'd rather have a few small updates than not knowing what is actually going on at all. Keeping the members informed is always a good thing.

I would still like the opinions of both other staff members and maybe Val, since Mike isn't present at the moment. I feel like the opinions of the other staff members in this thread are important and can help out a lot honestly.
I'll try to keep that in mind going forward.

I can nudge the greenies, but I'm not going to require them to post if they don't feel comfortable or don't have anything significant to add. This isn't their fault, after all. As for Val, she's been working more than usual the past couple of days, but she knows about this discussion and I'd imagine she'd want to respond when she gets some free time.

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Old June 12th, 2017, 01:11 PM   #27
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iím honestly not sure how to reply to this. This pains me, and hurts me in more ways than I will ever be able to articulate. And maybe thatís my fault. Maybe it isnít at the same time.

Iíll begin with addressing the first post. Hiring mods isnít as simple as ďeenie meanie minie mo, I choose youĒ. Itís a process, itís something we have to slowly discuss, look into, and discuss with individuals before you even see anything. So sometimes, mod apps may take upwards of a month, but itís because thereís a lot happening that you donít see until we bring the candidate(s) live. We canít announce them and then go on. Thereís training and other stuff that need to happen first.

This is nothing against Elysium at all. She does every single thing that she can with what she has. itís not a matter of wanting or not wanting someone to work with her, itís a matter of being staffed. And we did get smacked in the face with people quitting. If we arenít properly staffed, we canít promote without losing other areas of the site. And weíre working to come back from that, and weíre doing the best we can. Changes will be coming, i can promise you. But it canít and wonít happen overnight. The staff is my saving grace. Theyíve been around through thick and thin, and been there when not much is happening, and when everything is, and this site would not be here without them. Even when you donít think theyíre doing much, they are doing it. And I see it in the mod stats.

My activity probably isnít where it needs to be, thatís correct. Thereís a lot of reasons for that. And that mostly falls back onto me. To find time to be working on the behind the scenes stuff, my actual life, and beyond is difficult for me, and iím still learning time management. I picked up a full time job recently, and Iím working 55+ hour weeks every week, and it sort of fucked me in the face. Itís been a challenge and an adjustment and Iím working on trying to get back to where I was here. Behind the scenes is often taken as a well.. excuse? But i can promise you that thereís always a lot going on. Writing rules, redoing things, making edits, figuring this chat shit out, mods, discussions.. itís more than i think you know. The fact of the matter is until recently, I didnít have much ability to make decisions or do much. Waiting on others hindered a lot of what I could do, and now that thatís changed, Iím working as hard as I can to make these new things and changes happen. Iím only human though. I donít know everything, Iím not website based, and Iím literally learning as I go. Thereís no one here holding my hand showing me what to do or anything. Itís all trial and error, which also takes up time. Is that a bad thing? I donít know. Iím also so fucked up right now. My life is spirling around, and sometimes, I need to be away for a bit. Iím working on things. Iím talking and trying to improve myself, but diagnoses arenít helping right now and Iím trying to dig myself out of the rut.

I think a lot. Too much sometimes. And a lot of times, my thoughts are irrational, or in reverse of what they actually should be. I feel like a lot of members are scared of staff members, especially admins. And they donít want to connect or be friends with them. And that reality might be true, or it might not. I donít know. But thatís fucked with me a lot too. I should post more, and publicly, mark my word, Iím going to try to be more active outside of staff threads.

I take feedback. i want feedback. Without it, I canít improve. i will take myself off of invisible. Itís more of a convenience factor for me, but I have no issues doings. We can also look into how we deal with reports further, I do agree that thereís a potentially better option, but again, thatís something that would have to be researched and looked into. Sometimes, reports take a couple of days, or beyond. It sucks, but sometimes, if thereís a lot of information, it does. Iíll do my best to help reduce that, but sometimes, it isnít obtainable.

To the comment about staff members who donít moderate at all, thereís some moderation that you donít see, but to your point, you donít know what we see, what we discuss, and what we come up with. We do mod stats monthly, we look at these things, and we talk to these people and do what we need to with them, but itís personal. But weíre aware of these things.

I donít want VT to turn into govteen. I love VT with my entire heart. I wouldnít be here if I didnít. But i want to do whatís right. And I donít always know that, and thatís where feedback comes in. Constructive feedback though.

The truth is, a lot of people donít want to be mods. I hoped weíd get more apps when we opened them. We didnít, and thatís unfortunate. How do we fix that? I donít know. I donít have all the answers. We are going to revamp the staff, we have a few people hopefully coming on this month, and that will fix things. Maybe weíre doing it wrong, maybe we need running apps. We as staff are always looking, and sometimes hire outside of apps, but maybe we need to just have open submissions or something. i donít know. We should have opened them sooner though, thatís correct. And thatís my fault for not growing the balls and stepping up.

ďbehind the scenesĒ is very vague, yes. But thereís a whole process that goes on. We have to discuss it as an entire staff, no one left behind. We have to weigh pros and cons and see whatís the best. We have to write information for it, come up with regulations, sometimes, we have to test it.. itís more than you might think. Does the process take too long sometimes? Yeah, I guess so. And again, thatís my fault. But we also canít disclose information before we are fully ready with something, and thatís hard. For me, researching chat also means me learning a little bit of a coding language that I have no earthly clue about, but itís for the best of the site. Iíve played around a lot and itís paying off, but Iíd rather work hard, and get something right when we launch it rather than launch it and then be fucked later. So I might not be directly doing VT work, but iím doing work that regards to working on VT.

A newsletter or something might not be a bad idea. To get it up and running will be a task in and of its own, but I think itís something we might be able to work with. It gets a bit touchy because we canít announce some things, and we canít even announce that weíre discussing some things because that defeats the purpose of moderator/staff discussions, but when thereís a will, thereís a way and Iíll start looking into this.

I guess what Iím saying here is iím sorry. iím sorry i havenít been a good admin. Itís been a lot of trial and error for myself, and itís been so hard to learn and go, and to push myself with everything else going on. itís my fault for not dealing with myself sooner, for not realizing that everything was this bad. Iíve been doing my best. i know itís not good enough, and iím sorry for that. Iím publicly saying this, so mark my word that Iím going to do my very best to make this summer a summer of change for VT, and to see it that things happen. Iím sorry that they havenít, and Iím sorry that weíve gotten to a place that everyone feels this way. We just need to know. Thereís no way to know, and in this case, we donít until things boil over. So push me. Hold me accountable. Talk shit about me. Do what you need to do. But I'm going to try and do better.

I fucked up, and thereís nothing more that I can say, but Iíll try to do better.

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I have been reading this thread and I wasn't sure how to post or what to say till you mentioned Govteen. And I'm glad you did. Im seeing a lot of similarities here in this thread and what began the end over there. And that was sad in the end, it was a good place, at one time.

I was pretty close with some mods there and I agree there's a lot behind the scenes staff can't discuss. In reality, comes down to privacy issues, and yeah there are laws about that even for a forum like VT.

I think sometimes we take staff for granted, we assume they have all there powers, but really don't. And if the ones with the powers aren't around, then that's a problem. A lot like what happened at Gov.

I think a lota the police nuts are valid, but as a user, I just need to take a back seat and be a user. And let staff do their job, and report as I see fit. Is that kind passive? Yeah, but that's what is expected.

It's really to bad so many staff bailed recently. I don't know why, probably inappropriate to ask and talk about here, but just saying my 2 cents, if it's anything like that other forum, we already know the reason. And there's really no way to fix it unless the powers to be participate and do their share on staff

Hope I didn't offend anyone, just speaking my mind. I know I want this place areound. May even for if I ever have my own kids (yeah right lol!!!).
But seriously, it's a good place for a lot of people, we just need to keep it safe. We do that by allowing staff to do their job, whether we know what that is or not.

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i’m honestly not sure how to reply to this. This pains me, and hurts me in more ways than I will ever be able to articulate. And maybe that’s my fault. Maybe it isn’t at the same time.

I’ll begin with addressing the first post. Hiring mods isn’t as simple as “eenie meanie minie mo, I choose you”. It’s a process, it’s something we have to slowly discuss, look into, and discuss with individuals before you even see anything. So sometimes, mod apps may take upwards of a month, but it’s because there’s a lot happening that you don’t see until we bring the candidate(s) live. We can’t announce them and then go on. There’s training and other stuff that need to happen first.

This is nothing against Elysium at all. She does every single thing that she can with what she has. it’s not a matter of wanting or not wanting someone to work with her, it’s a matter of being staffed. And we did get smacked in the face with people quitting. If we aren’t properly staffed, we can’t promote without losing other areas of the site. And we’re working to come back from that, and we’re doing the best we can. Changes will be coming, i can promise you. But it can’t and won’t happen overnight. The staff is my saving grace. They’ve been around through thick and thin, and been there when not much is happening, and when everything is, and this site would not be here without them. Even when you don’t think they’re doing much, they are doing it. And I see it in the mod stats.

My activity probably isn’t where it needs to be, that’s correct. There’s a lot of reasons for that. And that mostly falls back onto me. To find time to be working on the behind the scenes stuff, my actual life, and beyond is difficult for me, and i’m still learning time management. I picked up a full time job recently, and I’m working 55+ hour weeks every week, and it sort of fucked me in the face. It’s been a challenge and an adjustment and I’m working on trying to get back to where I was here. Behind the scenes is often taken as a well.. excuse? But i can promise you that there’s always a lot going on. Writing rules, redoing things, making edits, figuring this chat shit out, mods, discussions.. it’s more than i think you know. The fact of the matter is until recently, I didn’t have much ability to make decisions or do much. Waiting on others hindered a lot of what I could do, and now that that’s changed, I’m working as hard as I can to make these new things and changes happen. I’m only human though. I don’t know everything, I’m not website based, and I’m literally learning as I go. There’s no one here holding my hand showing me what to do or anything. It’s all trial and error, which also takes up time. Is that a bad thing? I don’t know. I’m also so fucked up right now. My life is spirling around, and sometimes, I need to be away for a bit. I’m working on things. I’m talking and trying to improve myself, but diagnoses aren’t helping right now and I’m trying to dig myself out of the rut.

I think a lot. Too much sometimes. And a lot of times, my thoughts are irrational, or in reverse of what they actually should be. I feel like a lot of members are scared of staff members, especially admins. And they don’t want to connect or be friends with them. And that reality might be true, or it might not. I don’t know. But that’s fucked with me a lot too. I should post more, and publicly, mark my word, I’m going to try to be more active outside of staff threads.

I take feedback. i want feedback. Without it, I can’t improve. i will take myself off of invisible. It’s more of a convenience factor for me, but I have no issues doings. We can also look into how we deal with reports further, I do agree that there’s a potentially better option, but again, that’s something that would have to be researched and looked into. Sometimes, reports take a couple of days, or beyond. It sucks, but sometimes, if there’s a lot of information, it does. I’ll do my best to help reduce that, but sometimes, it isn’t obtainable.

To the comment about staff members who don’t moderate at all, there’s some moderation that you don’t see, but to your point, you don’t know what we see, what we discuss, and what we come up with. We do mod stats monthly, we look at these things, and we talk to these people and do what we need to with them, but it’s personal. But we’re aware of these things.

I don’t want VT to turn into govteen. I love VT with my entire heart. I wouldn’t be here if I didn’t. But i want to do what’s right. And I don’t always know that, and that’s where feedback comes in. Constructive feedback though.

The truth is, a lot of people don’t want to be mods. I hoped we’d get more apps when we opened them. We didn’t, and that’s unfortunate. How do we fix that? I don’t know. I don’t have all the answers. We are going to revamp the staff, we have a few people hopefully coming on this month, and that will fix things. Maybe we’re doing it wrong, maybe we need running apps. We as staff are always looking, and sometimes hire outside of apps, but maybe we need to just have open submissions or something. i don’t know. We should have opened them sooner though, that’s correct. And that’s my fault for not growing the balls and stepping up.

“behind the scenes” is very vague, yes. But there’s a whole process that goes on. We have to discuss it as an entire staff, no one left behind. We have to weigh pros and cons and see what’s the best. We have to write information for it, come up with regulations, sometimes, we have to test it.. it’s more than you might think. Does the process take too long sometimes? Yeah, I guess so. And again, that’s my fault. But we also can’t disclose information before we are fully ready with something, and that’s hard. For me, researching chat also means me learning a little bit of a coding language that I have no earthly clue about, but it’s for the best of the site. I’ve played around a lot and it’s paying off, but I’d rather work hard, and get something right when we launch it rather than launch it and then be fucked later. So I might not be directly doing VT work, but i’m doing work that regards to working on VT.

A newsletter or something might not be a bad idea. To get it up and running will be a task in and of its own, but I think it’s something we might be able to work with. It gets a bit touchy because we can’t announce some things, and we can’t even announce that we’re discussing some things because that defeats the purpose of moderator/staff discussions, but when there’s a will, there’s a way and I’ll start looking into this.

I guess what I’m saying here is i’m sorry. i’m sorry i haven’t been a good admin. It’s been a lot of trial and error for myself, and it’s been so hard to learn and go, and to push myself with everything else going on. it’s my fault for not dealing with myself sooner, for not realizing that everything was this bad. I’ve been doing my best. i know it’s not good enough, and i’m sorry for that. I’m publicly saying this, so mark my word that I’m going to do my very best to make this summer a summer of change for VT, and to see it that things happen. I’m sorry that they haven’t, and I’m sorry that we’ve gotten to a place that everyone feels this way. We just need to know. There’s no way to know, and in this case, we don’t until things boil over. So push me. Hold me accountable. Talk shit about me. Do what you need to do. But I'm going to try and do better.

I fucked up, and there’s nothing more that I can say, but I’ll try to do better.

As a relative newcomer here I read this and was almost brought to tears. I came here, probably like you, for help and guidance and although my posts are pretty tame I feel that I'm getting more used to the site and how it works (not having been on a forum before). I am hopelessly shy and don't normally say or type much but I wondered if anyone else whose not an admin or a mod actually knew how much time it takes to set up a thing like VT.

I have no idea but it's ob v hard work and someone has to do it to the best of their ability. I presume it's all voluntary?

So to Lost Hope - if this makes you feel a bit better - thank you for taking on the Admin side of things and giving teens like me the opportunity to meet people in similar situations. I've no idea what govteen is but it seems like its crashed or stopped - and I hope this site will continue so that many people can find the help an support they need.

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As a relative newcomer here I read this and was almost brought to tears. I came here, probably like you, for help and guidance and although my posts are pretty tame I feel that I'm getting more used to the site and how it works (not having been on a forum before). I am hopelessly shy and don't normally say or type much but I wondered if anyone else whose not an admin or a mod actually knew how much time it takes to set up a thing like VT.

I have no idea but it's ob v hard work and someone has to do it to the best of their ability. I presume it's all voluntary?

So to Lost Hope - if this makes you feel a bit better - thank you for taking on the Admin side of things and giving teens like me the opportunity to meet people in similar situations. I've no idea what govteen is but it seems like its crashed or stopped - and I hope this site will continue so that many people can find the help an support they need.

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As a relative newcomer here I read this and was almost brought to tears. I came here, probably like you, for help and guidance and although my posts are pretty tame I feel that I'm getting more used to the site and how it works (not having been on a forum before). I am hopelessly shy and don't normally say or type much but I wondered if anyone else whose not an admin or a mod actually knew how much time it takes to set up a thing like VT.

I have no idea but it's ob v hard work and someone has to do it to the best of their ability. I presume it's all voluntary?

So to Lost Hope - if this makes you feel a bit better - thank you for taking on the Admin side of things and giving teens like me the opportunity to meet people in similar situations. I've no idea what govteen is but it seems like its crashed or stopped - and I hope this site will continue so that many people can find the help an support they need.

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I just posted what i thought that's all

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