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Old August 5th, 2011, 11:17 AM  
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Originally Posted by nyyanks97 View Post
I am surprised that you are asking such a question if you have been in religious school our whole life and you don't know this. These laws cannot be defined like that today. When God gave the Torah to the Jews in the desert, Moses would teach it to them. They understood it perfectly because they were on such a high level of spiritually. Today, nobody is on the same level as them. This is why we need commentators on the the Torah like Rashi Ibn Ezra etc... They can help us understand what the Torah means, not by looking at the translation as we understand it now, but rather, they try to once again show us what the Laws are during the time the Torah was given.
Interesting that you ignored all the other points in my post. I'll repeat, how do you know the Torah was even written by God and Moses? How do you know that it isn't a bunch of legends written down to teach lessons and fabricate a more fanciful origin for the people living in Israel?

Oh hon, you don't want to go down the "we're on a lower spiritual level" path. I've heard it many times before. The people in the Torah made huge errors in morality all the time. Do you know the story of the leader of shevet shimon, Zimri who had sex with Kazbi bat Tzor? Was he on a higher level? And lets not forget Yehudah, who picked off a prostitute on the side of the road. Oh and Rus and Orpah, both Non-Jewish, who the sons of Avimelech and Naomi married. They were also on a higher level, weren't they? Oh yes, Rashi and the Ramban and all the others quickly rush to say how really it was the spirituality, they had ruach hakodesh that they were supposed to do what they did, and that puts everyone's minds at ease, that their heroes, who are on a higher level than them did those things for spiritual reasons. It's crap. Trust me you don't want me to get into how ridiculous torah sh'baal peh is.

No matter what level you're on, it's not ok to let a rapist of an unmarried girl go free with just a small payment to her father (and though the meforshim dutifully explain that it's because the girl is her father's property, until she gets married and becomes her husband's, so the case is treated like thievery, somehow that doesn't make it any better). It's not ok to be killed because you planted some seeds on the seventh day of the week. You know, 5772 years ago, when you believe the world started, is really not that long. And since the Torah was given on 2448, that even lessens the time allotted for this drastic change in spirituality. Prove to me that we're on a lower level. Because everything they had then, we have now. Except for the stoning and other forms of capital punishment (hot lead, anyone?) that governments thankfully outlawed.
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