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Old October 9th, 2006, 06:59 PM  
cmpcmp
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Default Re: communism(discuss)

Ok this is from a previus post but it is relevent,

C-A-communist anarchy (your supporting that right?)
In case you missed it C-A is communism that every one is equal there is no money, every one shares common resources and it sounds like what ur supporting or really close to it

(at that time it was directed at Kolte so it may be off in parts, but u talked about no power and stuff.... so yea.)

keep in mind that money is money wether it is virtual, physical, or just writen down somewhere.

-In order to advance as a society and live in a 'modern' world with advancement in science and technology, not every body can work their own land for their own food.
-in order for a society to not require this, ppl must be organized in what they do and be able to get what they need w/o providing it directly from their own labor. In most societys this is achieved using 'money'
-If there is a job unfilled, the money offered for that job will increase untill someone wants to do it for the right amount of compensation.
-with C-A this doesn't exist, so you have a few scenerios......

1. Your society trys to move forward w/o these jobs fufilled, and probly isn't succesfull. If you don't have, lets say garbage men (or recycle ppl or w/e) you will stack your trash prety high, which will cause big problems.
2. If there is no money, then ppl are gifted in other ways to preform their job. Unfortunately this can't happen as all you have done is rename money into something else, and then insto facto, you have wage labor (which is clearly against C-A).
3. You force some ppl to work at some job, but how could you do this? wouldn't it make labor involentary, and one step further, not even the labor you wanted? plus who would decide who worked where?

and...

If some one was bad at there job, who would fire them? would there have to be a vote?

it sounds like a lot of things to me,

- C-A either has forced labor, in which case you would have to have either authorities with power, or another vote. Also sounds like a popularity contest to me, as not every one in the country, sate, town or what ever knows them, it would only be the ppl that did know them that would vote.


- C-A is either a popularity contest democracy with absurd amounts of voting, or it has authorities with power (thus no longer an anarchy), or forced and or waged labor, which isn't C-A at all really. Plus there couldn't be laws with out a system to make them, enforce them, and some one with some kind of power. for these reasons, and others like ppl mooching off of the system, C-A wouldn't ever work, humans are the fault, not the system, if humans were perfect, we wouldn't need the system anyways.

(don't awnser all of them do more of a summary if u can)

and please explain what the governemnt's response to these issues are (listed below)
and please explain what the governemnt's response to these issues are (listed below)
(ps there are some changes form the last post)

-any kind of crime, is it punnishable? who does the punnishing? and can they be cut off from the resourses of the rest of the community? are there prisons?
-what happens to ppl that choose to be unemployed? how are they punnish, if they are punnished? are they cut off from the resourses of the community? if so isn't labor infact forced? (ps. labor of somesort is basicly forced in capitalism cuz other wise u live on the streets and can't afford to live)
-you say that no one will be forced to work somewhere they don't want to and there is no such thing as wage labor, so who would take the jobs that no one wants like sanitation engineer (garbage man) or sewage treatment? or hard labor? or secretary, janitor, ......(insert many other jobs here). If some one is really bad at their Job, or can't preform it well/at all, are they forced into another job, and can their "pay" be decreased? will there be a job for philosophers/think-tank type ppl?
-will there be entertainers of sorts? pro sports players? or are all non productive jobs cut? if not wouldn't a lot of ppl be in this category as a job? if not just not working at all (refers to an earlier question).
-who makes the laws? who enforces the law? and if a law enforcer didn't agree witht that inparticular law he is enforcing would he be forced to enforce it? in what you posted last time it said that ppl won't be forced in society by laws, but will ther still be laws, im genuinely confused.
-In your post it talked about how the "profits" from each individual idustry would be divided among the workers either equaly or by the difficulty of their job, how does a "bussiniess"(what ever it is in a CA) in a society with no money make a profit?
-Is there state commisioned "marrige"
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