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Stronk Serb October 2nd, 2017 05:56 PM

Is this normal?
 
Okay, so this is about my little sister. So she started going to highschool, all is good, she met new friends and is happy. I am glad about that. Here it the worry I have. The Serbian Language and Literature teacher gave them an assignment to write an essay on the difference between eroticy (is that the word, essentially erotic but as a noun) and pornography. Is that normal? I mean his subject has nothing to do with this topic. In my school, the first essay we wrote was about the book we were studying.

Also her Latin teacher was suspended a few years ago for having intercourse with one of the graduate students and is still teaching there and started traching again this year, unsure how but since this is Serbia where everything is possible with the right connections, I guess it passed. In such a pedo-friendly environment of course I am going to be worried.


So, is the first thing normal? I mean the second obviously isn't.

Anyways I told her if any of those creeps (or anyone else for that matter) lay a finger on her or make an innapropriate comment, I will personally come there and castrate them in front of the class and make them eat it. No one touches my little sis and gets away with it alive.


The reason I made this is because I am genuinely worried, because as a male, I know you can sometimes get predatorial urges, but most simply do not act on them. After hearing her tell me that, an alarm sounded in my head.

WhoWhatWhen October 3rd, 2017 01:59 AM

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It really depends on what they are learning in class. It is kind of a weird assignment though and kind of innapropriate. But maybe it has to do with something theyre reading. Id just monitor what her other assignments are and see if that one was the only odd one. Personally, Id never been given an assignment like that and dont think it would be allowed in my school because its seems a bit innapropriate (without any context to what theyre studying in class).

Brigje October 3rd, 2017 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Stronk Serb (Post 3577891)
Okay, so this is about my little sister. So she started going to highschool, all is good, she met new friends and is happy. I am glad about that. Here it the worry I have. The Serbian Language and Literature teacher gave them an assignment to write an essay on the difference between eroticy (is that the word, essentially erotic but as a noun) and pornography. Is that normal? I mean his subject has nothing to do with this topic. In my school, the first essay we wrote was about the book we were studying.

Also her Latin teacher was suspended a few years ago for having intercourse with one of the graduate students and is still teaching there and started traching again this year, unsure how but since this is Serbia where everything is possible with the right connections, I guess it passed. In such a pedo-friendly environment of course I am going to be worried.


So, is the first thing normal? I mean the second obviously isn't.

Anyways I told her if any of those creeps (or anyone else for that matter) lay a finger on her or make an innapropriate comment, I will personally come there and castrate them in front of the class and make them eat it. No one touches my little sis and gets away with it alive.


The reason I made this is because I am genuinely worried, because as a male, I know you can sometimes get predatorial urges, but most simply do not act on them. After hearing her tell me that, an alarm sounded in my head.

If this is normal depends on the context in which the assignment is given.

In these days with the Internet in every corner of once life, porn is easy accessible for everybody, including your little sister. And as we know or should know porn is totally different than erotic love, it is a good thing children learn the difference between the two early in life.

I think that your statement is extremely aggressive. It sounds like you are obsessively trying to protect your sister. She has the right to life her own life and do what she thinks is right, I am sure she is intelligent and wise enough to make her own decisions on this.

mick01 October 3rd, 2017 11:34 AM

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Wouldn't it be more appropriate if your parents were informed and aware of this assignment? As your sisters' legal guardians, they should decide if it is an appropriate assignment.

Anniebanannie October 4th, 2017 06:48 PM

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I agree with everyone who's written so far. Please make sure your parents know so they can make a decision. I'm glad you're so protective of your sister. And the assignment does sound a bit borderline -- although it's a genuinely intellectual question. But if it's for math class, then yeah, the alarm bells should be ringing.

Will you tell us more as you learn more?

Danieldv77 October 5th, 2017 02:58 AM

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This could definitely be a normal subject, depending on the context of the lesson. For instance, I had to write about Oryx and Crake during my time in AP English 12, and if you've ever read that book, you certainly can understand why a topic such as the one you brought up could definitely find relevance within the lesson.

Stronk Serb October 5th, 2017 07:48 PM

Re: Is this normal?
 
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Originally Posted by WhoWhatWhen (Post 3578011)
It really depends on what they are learning in class. It is kind of a weird assignment though and kind of innapropriate. But maybe it has to do with something theyre reading. Id just monitor what her other assignments are and see if that one was the only odd one. Personally, Id never been given an assignment like that and dont think it would be allowed in my school because its seems a bit innapropriate without any context to what theyre studying in class).

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Originally Posted by Brigje (Post 3578027)
If this is normal depends on the context in which the assignment is given.

In these days with the Internet in every corner of once life, porn is easy accessible for everybody, including your little sister. And as we know or should know porn is totally different than erotic love, it is a good thing children learn the difference between the two early in life.

I think that your statement is extremely aggressive. It sounds like you are obsessively trying to protect your sister. She has the right to life her own life and do what she thinks is right, I am sure she is intelligent and wise enough to make her own decisions on this.

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Originally Posted by mick01 (Post 3578088)
Wouldn't it be more appropriate if your parents were informed and aware of this assignment? As your sisters' legal guardians, they should decide if it is an appropriate assignment.

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Originally Posted by Anniebanannie (Post 3578360)
I agree with everyone who's written so far. Please make sure your parents know so they can make a decision. I'm glad you're so protective of your sister. And the assignment does sound a bit borderline -- although it's a genuinely intellectual question. But if it's for math class, then yeah, the alarm bells should be ringing.

Will you tell us more as you learn more?

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Originally Posted by Danieldv77 (Post 3578471)
This could definitely be a normal subject, depending on the context of the lesson. For instance, I had to write about Oryx and Crake during my time in AP English 12, and if you've ever read that book, you certainly can understand why a topic such as the one you brought up could definitely find relevance within the lesson.

Well, like all first year classes, they did the "Epic of Ghilgamesh", but when I look at what I and my peers wrote regarding that book, sex, eroticism, etc. was borderline mentioned. I mean while there is one erotic element in the book, the whole book is not based on that.

That's what ticked off my alarm at first. I asked around after learning that and no person I know be it my age, older or her age had nothing similar to do. The parents know, her mother is indifferent, while dad got angry, but did not go all code red like me. Still I told her if any of them asked her to stay alone with them after class to call me so I can be somewhere nearby ready to respond. I saw and have been through many things when I was her age, things she shouldn't go through, not just in puberty, but in life in general. I am not talking about those little mistakes and bad things that shape you into a stronger person, but things which can scar you for life. I just don't want her to go through that. I am currently just on the lookout. If something happens to her, I will be first to respond. I don't see myself as overprotective, I just let her do her things and am there to be relied upon when needed.

jamie_n5 October 6th, 2017 05:03 PM

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That certainly is an odd if not inappropriate subject for a first essay. Looks to me like the teacher may be looking to get his jollies from reading young peoples ideas on those subjects. I am surprised that your mom acted so not a big deal about this. If it were my daughter I would go to the principal or even the school board to ask if this is appropriate. The teachers intentions might be good but it sure looks like he is picking a very odd and poor subject for a high school essay.

Anniebanannie October 6th, 2017 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Stronk Serb (Post 3578646)
Well, like all first year classes, they did the "Epic of Ghilgamesh", but when I look at what I and my peers wrote regarding that book, sex, eroticism, etc. was borderline mentioned. I mean while there is one erotic element in the book, the whole book is not based on that.

That's what ticked off my alarm at first. I asked around after learning that and no person I know be it my age, older or her age had nothing similar to do. The parents know, her mother is indifferent, while dad got angry, but did not go all code red like me. Still I told her if any of them asked her to stay alone with them after class to call me so I can be somewhere nearby ready to respond. I saw and have been through many things when I was her age, things she shouldn't go through, not just in puberty, but in life in general. I am not talking about those little mistakes and bad things that shape you into a stronger person, but things which can scar you for life. I just don't want her to go through that. I am currently just on the lookout. If something happens to her, I will be first to respond. I don't see myself as overprotective, I just let her do her things and am there to be relied upon when needed.


You're a really good brother.

And it sounds like you went through some very rough times. I'm really sorry you did. :(

Stronk Serb October 7th, 2017 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jamie_n5 (Post 3578888)
That certainly is an odd if not inappropriate subject for a first essay. Looks to me like the teacher may be looking to get his jollies from reading young peoples ideas on those subjects. I am surprised that your mom acted so not a big deal about this. If it were my daughter I would go to the principal or even the school board to ask if this is appropriate. The teachers intentions might be good but it sure looks like he is picking a very odd and poor subject for a high school essay.

She's my ex-stepmother, not mother. It's complicated about going to the school principal since they watch eachother's backs all the time, especially in a corrupt school like that. Anyway, yeah that is my opinion too. Asking 14-year olds things like this is innappropriate in my eyes too. Passed a few days next to the school and saw the teaching cadre driving cars my dad can dream of, and he is a programmer.

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Originally Posted by Anniebanannie (Post 3578890)
You're a really good brother.

And it sounds like you went through some very rough times. I'm really sorry you did. :(

It's not bad now. It's good for some time now. Still on the lookout.

BlackParadePixie October 15th, 2017 04:07 PM

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If its a literature class, it totally makes sense. There have been many classic works banned by certain countries because they are considered "pornography" - while other countries just consider them to be erotic or salacious in nature. They may have been studying "Lolita" or "The Thornbirds", or any number of books which there is often a debate as to whether they are just sexual in nature, or actual pornography.

Microcosm October 21st, 2017 02:01 PM

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You are right to be worried considering the background of the teacher. However, in agreement with Fiona, sexuality is definitely a topic worth discussing in a literary context. Perhaps some reference to sexual abuse or misconduct in class discussion could teach even the teacher something about propriety and kindness. Your sister should definitely be aware of the ins and outs of the issue of sexual abuse in order that she can not only avoid being abused herself, but also to help the abusers to understand the wrongness of such actions such that others won't be abused by them. It is, in some sense, an opportunity to do good and to make the world a better place.

That being said, I would monitor the situation closely as a brother--and you seem quite a good one.

Stronk Serb October 22nd, 2017 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackParadePixie (Post 3581812)
If its a literature class, it totally makes sense. There have been many classic works banned by certain countries because they are considered "pornography" - while other countries just consider them to be erotic or salacious in nature. They may have been studying "Lolita" or "The Thornbirds", or any number of books which there is often a debate as to whether they are just sexual in nature, or actual pornography.

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Originally Posted by Microcosm (Post 3583457)
You are right to be worried considering the background of the teacher. However, in agreement with Fiona, sexuality is definitely a topic worth discussing in a literary context. Perhaps some reference to sexual abuse or misconduct in class discussion could teach even the teacher something about propriety and kindness. Your sister should definitely be aware of the ins and outs of the issue of sexual abuse in order that she can not only avoid being abused herself, but also to help the abusers to understand the wrongness of such actions such that others won't be abused by them. It is, in some sense, an opportunity to do good and to make the world a better place.

That being said, I would monitor the situation closely as a brother--and you seem quite a good one.


We never did any erotic books, we did some books with erotic elements, but this is the first time I hear someone asks his students to write this, especially 14-year olds. I find it weird and alarming.

BlackParadePixie October 22nd, 2017 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Stronk Serb (Post 3583852)
We never did any erotic books, we did some books with erotic elements, but this is the first time I hear someone asks his students to write this, especially 14-year olds. I find it weird and alarming.

I still maintain what I said before. If they are studying either of the books (or something else) I mentioned, those are perfect examples of literary works which have been called pornographic by religious leaders, politicians, etc etc... when in reality they are just literature with, like you said, erotic elements. (imo anyways)

Stronk Serb October 23rd, 2017 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackParadePixie (Post 3583855)
I still maintain what I said before. If they are studying either of the books (or something else) I mentioned, those are perfect examples of literary works which have been called pornographic by religious leaders, politicians, etc etc... when in reality they are just literature with, like you said, erotic elements. (imo anyways)

I'll keep my eye just in case. I hope it's nothing, but better be prepared.


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