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Syvelocin
December 30th, 2010, 04:06 AM
Do you have OCD?
Some common supposed "OCD" symptoms and reasons why it could be OCD, and why it might NOT be OCD.

Intro
It's up to my other two mods as to whether this gets stickied. Honestly, I'm just writing this to get it out of my head, not with getting it stickied in mind. I didn't see any stickies with quite the exact point I wanted to make, so I went ahead with this.

Quite honestly, being diagnosed OCD, I get a bit bothered by how many "do I have OCD?" posts. Some, the person obviously has some issues to work out that could be related to OCD. Some are obviously not OCD. While I am perfectly happy to help out people if they're confused over OCD, I wanted to cover a few things. In this post, I have listed some common supposed symptoms of OCD, and reasoning why it could be OCD, but also sort of debunking it, giving alternatives or reasons why I wouldn't consider you OCD right away.

Am I OCD?


I like things to be organized/I like to keep things neat and tidy/I like to have my pencils and other things straight and in order.
Why you might have OCD: With OCD, we pretty much like things in our way, the main reasons being to have control, and usually the belief that something bad will happen if the procedure isn't carried out. Often, someone with OCD will have something, their rooms, their CD collections, their wardrobes, organized in some way that makes sense to them.
Why you might NOT have OCD: OCD has become a common adjective to use with anyone who likes order, or is bothered by a pencil not being straight. However, there are people who have "neat freak" personalities who are NOT OCD. Being OCD does NOT mean that the person is a neat freak either. For instance, I can be lazy as hell and leave a mess alone, but this mess is still an "ordered mess," meaning I am most comfortable with this arrangement and it gives me a sense of contentment. Cleaning does give me the same feeling, but I have to be the one to put everything away. Keeping a tidy environment definitely does not mean you are OCD, though it can be a symptom.
I'm a germaphobe/I wash my hands constantly.
Why you might have OCD: It is a common symptom, honestly. Hand-washing can be very compulsive, to the point where the person does so often enough to leave their hands raw and tender. I don't experience this as much, but I do use hand sanitizer very compulsively and religiously.
Why you might NOT have OCD: The word germaphobe in itself suggest a separate thing. Again, you can be a germaphobe and not be OCD. I'm not a germaphobe either. I do partake highly in cleanliness and ritualistic hygiene however.
I often worry that I left the stove on/I have to double check the doors to make sure they're locked/I worry about things.
Why you might have OCD:These little worries can often be obsessions and/or compulsions. I go for a walk every evening, and more often than not I'm shaking and worried sick that I left the front door open or the wind is strong enough to open it by itself, and that my dear house cats have gotten out. 100% of the time, however, I come home to a firmly shut door and two kitties fast asleep upstairs.
Why you might NOT have OCD: Again, it's another personality trait to be a "worry wart." My mum is the same way, often she even forgets altogether that she locked the door and will go back to check. But she's the furthest thing from OCD. It's quite normal actually to double guess yourself about security measures like leaving the cooker on.
I like to count things/I am fond of a specific number and use this number in my daily life, e.g. how many eggs to cook for breakfast, number of ice cubes in a drink, etc.
Why you might have OCD: Numbers also can be a bit obsession and sometimes compulsion. I have a relative who has down syndrome, but is also OCD. Every time she climbs or descends a staircase, she counts every step, every time. I detest odd numbers for material possessions, and I will not drink from a drink unless it initially had the last digit of my age in ice cubes put in it (for instance, this year it's eight). I seriously will not drink from it. I do settle with four since it's half of eight and therefore makes sense, when I cannot fit eight ice cubes in the cup I'm using. Certain numbers in general can also be obsessions. Five is a huge one for me.
Why you might NOT have OCD: I... can't really debunk this as much. I guess you could have this sort of obsession without having OCD, but it's a stranger symptom that I'd be a bit more curious with.


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Anything else you can come up with to add? I'll gladly add it.

Have your own symptom I can add to the list for debunking? Don't hesitate to bring it up. I've only used the basics that I find, but I can add anything you've experienced.

Feel free to do what you wish with this, Kathy & Georgia. I don't mind if it's stickied or deleted or neither, either way, I got it out of my head :P

Spook
March 22nd, 2011, 05:26 PM
I have OCD. I used to have excessive handwashing and I straightened everything all of the time. I heard voices telling me to do things, and I heard voices, just period. I had a mild case of OCD probably, but the comments and teasing were hurtful. I'll keep up with this thread, I want to hear from others.

ThisIsGay
April 29th, 2011, 05:56 PM
i have severe OCD.
i do everything in pretty much the number 32. [chew 32 bites]
say there's four things together. if i touch one, i have to touch the other 3.
i follow routines in the morning and evening. i CANT change them.
i have certain rituals i do for volleyball [like tying my shoe laces about 8 times, having "ah♥" on my shoes, the number 32 written on both of my wrists even though i wear the number 34 this year, etc.]
my room has to be a certain way.
i straighten things. A LOT.
i notice if something is different.
i have to brush my teeth right after i eat. every time.

and a ton more stuff. but i don't think you guys want to hear my problems.(:

User Deleted
April 29th, 2011, 09:05 PM
Well, I originally thought I may fall loosely in germiphobe and neat freak but this seems to rule that out. I am only paranoid about certain objects and what happens to them. As for neat freak, I keep mostly orderly, and many items have their place, but not every object this happens with me, as with the previously suspected to be germiphobia. Is it posoble to have selective OCD?

Syvelocin
April 29th, 2011, 11:41 PM
Yeah, definitely. It's not always a general rule, it can be selective. I'm that way as well. I have an organising obsession, but not everything does have to be in order, just specific things always need to be. It's just another facet of the obsessions in my opinion.

User Deleted
April 30th, 2011, 01:07 AM
For me its stuff needs to be straight like pencils remotes the TV not too many items (stuff laying on the table drives me insane), and I have most problems of germiphobia around the restroom.

TwilightFan
July 30th, 2011, 07:18 PM
I have OCD and I know it for about 4 years now. It's not that bad, I guess. It's quite anoying at school, like, my maths teacher draws a square and I can see that two of sides of the square aren't completley straight and I can't focus on anything else. My mom is a clean-freak (she has OCD too). And I basically don't remember her before she was like that so I guess it has never been normal in our house. I have to have all the plugs in my house turned in the same way. I have all of those places on my body I have to scratch all the time. My knees looks horrible because of that. And I have to have an even number of everything in the fridge. And ... well, basically that would be it.

Dark_Desires
July 30th, 2011, 08:24 PM
yep i have had it for 6 years proabbly longer cant stand remotes not being straight needing to fix un straight stuff in games but it not so bad atleast i dont have it any worse

AllThatYouDreamed
July 30th, 2011, 10:16 PM
How much do you know about *just* obsessions, without a notable compulsion?

I know it's a branch off.

Syvelocin
August 3rd, 2011, 02:04 PM
Ehm, not much actually. I've got both obsessions and compulsions.

So you would have the thoughts and feelings behind it, without the action on them, and the rituals? That's my guess really. I'd like to know about it though. I've spoken to people with pure O and I can relate to a lot of it honestly but I don't know a lot about it specifically.

Professional Russian
September 8th, 2011, 03:10 PM
For me its the numbers. numbers in my head there just everywhere but they all have to be even if its not even i think there something wrong

Eclipsical
September 16th, 2011, 08:20 PM
Here's my weird OCD traits..

When I stop listening to my MP3 player the song playing always has to be on a zero in the song...like 1:00, 2:10, 3:50, etc. when people are with me in the car they think it's totally weird that I won't shut the car off till the song reaches a zero so if the song was at like 2:11...I will wait the required 9 seconds.

All my TV boxes have to be pointed in the same direction, in the same place. Oh and the TV channel has to be on the same channel all the time before I shut if of...even if I wasn't watching that particular channel.

AllThatYouDreamed
October 14th, 2011, 08:49 PM
Ehm, not much actually. I've got both obsessions and compulsions.

So you would have the thoughts and feelings behind it, without the action on them, and the rituals? That's my guess really. I'd like to know about it though. I've spoken to people with pure O and I can relate to a lot of it honestly but I don't know a lot about it specifically.

Like, i don't do any overly specific rituals, though lately I'm finding myself doing weird things (insisting on walking in the middle of the sidewalk, lining things up) but really it's the obsessive thoughts that are fucking with me. I can easily let myself fix books or something minorly stupid like that,
but the sexual, violent, self mutilating, perfectionist, ect. Its fucking with my head.

Marry the Night
November 25th, 2011, 07:17 PM
I'd say I'm 4/5 of those listed. Seriously, whether or not things in my bedroom are organised the way I want them to be will completely change my mood for the day. Also, I get obsessively panicky over silly things (like doors being unlocked as you used in the example). They're probably the 2 I'm worst for.

I wouldn't say I'm OCD, just a very ordered person who likes things done in a certain way. Such as how I only like to start or finish doing something (such as homework, or watching TV, or being in the shower) at a time that is a multiple of 5 (eg. 12:05, 12:30, 12:40, etc.).

Thelizardqueen
December 19th, 2011, 01:43 PM
I don't know if I am or not, I don't like talking about any OCD things I do so I've never been tested or anything. But I'm obsessive over control, and if I feel out of control, it's like I just can't deal with it, and stupid little things make me feel out of control--not being able to make things equal sized, or like when I'm walking on sidewalks or where the floor is separated by cracks or colors, my feet have to hopefully not touch the cracks and stay in one color at a time and be equal to eachother, and if I break that rule on one foot, I try to to the same to the other foot, and when I can't my walking gets really weird and I get really frustrated. I don't know if it's OCD or not and I don't want to act like I have it if I don't...but I don't know how to tell

TwilightFan
December 26th, 2011, 04:22 PM
... When I stop listening to my MP3 player the song playing always has to be on a zero in the song...like 1:00, 2:10, 3:50, etc. when people are with me in the car they think it's totally weird that I won't shut the car off till the song reaches a zero so if the song was at like 2:11...I will wait the required 9 seconds. ...

I have a quite similar problem. When I listen to my MP3, the sound has to be always on a number like 5, 10, 15, 20 ... So my ears are sometimes suffering so much or I can't really hear anything, but I just have to do it ... It's kinda funny, really. :D

MyRedHeadWorld
January 15th, 2012, 01:51 PM
I have a type of ocd where my body has to feel even.
so for example, If I bang my hand against a wall, I have to bang the other one, or if I touch my right leg, I have to do the exact same thing to the other leg, in the same spot the same way. its very bad actually and stresses me out alot...

just thought I'd share:D

xDarkAngelx
January 19th, 2012, 06:43 PM
I have a type of ocd where my body has to feel even.
so for example, If I bang my hand against a wall, I have to bang the other one, or if I touch my right leg, I have to do the exact same thing to the other leg, in the same spot the same way. its very bad actually and stresses me out alot...

just thought I'd share:D

Among other self diagnosed OCD traits this is also the same for me.

screamtobeheard
January 19th, 2012, 07:18 PM
Isn't whether or not one has OCD dependent upon whether or not it interferes with the person's normal life functions?

NightmareSora
February 5th, 2012, 11:43 AM
I kinda have a obsession with the numbers 5, 8, 10, 12, 15, 20 and 25.
and i also have to wash my hands after i take my shoes on, because the shoes are "Not clean/Dirty", and when i sit in a bus, i may only blink when a car passes, and things have to be symetrichal, like if i scratch my left knee i also have to scratch the right knee, things like that. and in school, if my (or someone else) pencil case doesnt like, lay parallel with the edge of the table/disk, i cant concentrate on anything. and when someones hair fall down in their eyes, and they dont care... uff, thats terribble, i can feel the hair fall in my eyes and its itching like hell. and so many other things that i cant remember them all. In the morning everything i do has to be done in a special way or order, that takes looooong time, so im a half hour late in school everyday... on the bad days a hour... one the good days "only" a quarter. and i cant just get up a half hour earlier, cuz then the thoughts get worse, and i still get out a half hour later than i should. its like the thoughts just adjust, so i come a half hour late everyday.
...hmph, I seem like an attention-whore who wants everybody to feel sorry for me.

there probably was a lot of spelling mistakes, hope you could read it anyway.

Invisible Ninja
February 7th, 2012, 04:28 PM
I do not have any serious disorders but more of a mixture of everything.
1. My biggest one is pictures, I always want stuff to be hung level.
2. Labels, I make sure labels (on cans bottles etc.) are always facing towards the front, I hate to see things turn sideways just even a little bit.
3. My hair, even though I'm a guy if I get bored (or stressed) I will sit and twirl my hair, not sure why?
4. The way I do stuff, i.e. if I pick up a soda can with my right hand, the next time I pick it up I MUST pick it up with my left hand. It's just wierd random stuff like that, and I do it all the time!
Some more I do is just random, like counting (the number of tiles in a room, the number of lightbulbs, etc.) and picking stuff up just to move it like 1/2 an inch. I'm really glad someone started this block so that way I know I am NOT the only person that does this. Thanks!

talyah132
April 18th, 2012, 12:38 PM
for me its all about rituals and getting things right in my head, for example i would move the computer mouse on the screen from left to right until it seems right to me and i could read the same sentence like 30 times until i "read it corectlly" in my head (one of the reasens i dont read often) and the main thing that disterbs me is that i have this thing that i do with with my hands ALL the time like kinda rub them together, i also have to blink really hard everytime i dont do one of the compulsions (kind of like a twitch in my eyes but i control it...) i have that also all the time. and when im writing and i get a letter wrong i will earase the hole sentence and rewrite it.....so...yeah.. :\

Greg1994
April 18th, 2012, 02:49 PM
1. I always have to have my bed made before I go to bed, even if i forgot to make it in the morning, i make it just before bed.
2. Volume on the tv or car must be in increments of 5. If 5 is too loud, i'll just have to suck it up.
3. All the windows in the car have to be at the same level, if im driving somebody and they put their windows down all the way and mine is just cracked... its a tough decision to just put mine down, or put theirs back up and lock them haha.
4. I press the lock or unlock button for my car exactly three times.
5. The clothes in my closet MUST be in rainbow order
I can't think of anything else... I don't think i have ocd, just some ocd-like habits haha

IAmTheLizardQueen
May 3rd, 2012, 04:42 PM
-Everything involving numbers must be a multiple of five. ANYTHING. When brushing my teeth, grouping things (unless theyre different colors; I then group them only by color), cutting my Sugar Glider's food, just anything.
-positioning of things, like dishes, food in the cabnets or fridge all in ABC or size order.
-My glasses, fibers and dust particles annoy me.
-At school no one touches my stuff, it's all in place, date order and condensed imto one blider
-My headphones, don't even look at them too hard.
-baby wipes. I love them. I don't like sticky or questionable crud. Its like my hand sanitizer.
-My pillows
- and lastly grouping things by color. ESPICIALLY when i eat. Like with fruitsnacks, of which I ALWAYS have on my when i leave the house; without exeption. I ALWAYS lay them out and group them by color, then eat them lightest to darkest.

Just things I do.

Personally, I'm not sure that I have OCD, and I would be the last to start telling people i have it; because I'm sure thats annoying to those who legitimately are OCD. But i have a friend thats OCD and she has the same thing with color. A difference between playing with your food (most likely me) and having an OCD tendancy.might be something to add

therunaway
May 3rd, 2012, 08:50 PM
My OCD habits are counting my steps as I walk down the hallway at school, Ie: 1 step, 2 step, 1 step, 2 step. etc.
the tv volume has to be on a number ending with 0 or 5.
I count all the time in my head and sometimes I reach a hundred, and then mess up and start all over. it sucks being ocd. -_-

RyanEdwards
July 25th, 2012, 07:21 PM
I have every symptom in the list. I only like even numbers, as well as the number five as that is half way between... And everything else on the list, really.

Christheman
July 25th, 2012, 07:22 PM
my mother has OCD she gets very anger at messes and freaks out over a little shirt on the floor

LatinaVivit
July 25th, 2012, 10:30 PM
1. If I crack the fingers of one hand, it must be done in the same way for the other hand.
2. I do everything in sets of three's, e.g., the pillows on my bed, times I scratch my head if it's itchy, times when I moves my fingers as one does when they think.
3. I need to have PERFECT grammar in all my sentences.
I would list others, but it has to be in a set of three.... hhaha

Bigswedishboy
July 25th, 2012, 11:07 PM
I have these symptoms but I haven't been diagnosed yet i have my room in order, the door has to always be shut, by closet is organized from the last time I wore it the longer its been the more to the back of the closet, schhol work is organization by date and class/subject. So on and so forth.

Brice
August 12th, 2012, 01:40 PM
My family thinks I'm OCD just because I'm a perfectionist!!!! hahaha!:yummy::yes::)

survivor
September 2nd, 2012, 02:58 PM
I have autism, ADHD, and OCD. People say my room is a mess, but to me it is the opposite. I can find everything in m room and if one thing is moved I can't find a ton of other things. I also am "addicted" to numbers. Numbers such as ice cubes have to be even and last year I got into an argument with my volleyball coach because he gave me number 3.

People I know make fun of being OCD or say their OCD when their not and it bugs me. For example if a crooked picture bothers you you're not OCD you're normal. People make fun of my ned to alphabetize by saying I have CDO.

YouMeAtSykes
December 16th, 2012, 04:48 PM
I have a type of ocd where my body has to feel even.
so for example, If I bang my hand against a wall, I have to bang the other one, or if I touch my right leg, I have to do the exact same thing to the other leg, in the same spot the same way. its very bad actually and stresses me out alot...

just thought I'd share:D

I do this ^

therunaway
June 2nd, 2013, 07:00 PM
I count and tap my feet in this order, (left-1, right-2, left-3) until I get to 12, and I restart. I must have 5 ice cubes, things must fill up precisely to the lines indicated.

Edit: Oops, didn't realize how long it had been since another post.

Chris Daniels
June 7th, 2013, 01:44 AM
I have an OCD. A doctor told me that before. And I think I still have it.
I have an obsession with cleanliness.
I dislike it when someone touches my things without permission and leaving finger prints in them. I was called a clean-freak before because I can literally detect dirt on any of my things. I take a bath almost 5 times a day and sometimes it takes me one or two hours in the bathroom until I am satisfied cleaning myself. I always bring alcohol wherever I go. I have three medium-sized bottles of alcohol on my bag wherever I go outside and in my house, I always have a small bottle on my pocket. I also dislike dirt or dust so much so what I do is, whenever I clean my room, I have to completely cover myself so my dirt-ridding cleaning mission would be successful. Sometimes also when someone snuck into my room while i'm away and he/she sat on my bed, I will immediately know someone went inside by smell and I will also immediately detect the imperfections in my room. That is my obsession with being overly-organized. I know everything that is inside my room and how they are placed. Exactly how they are placed. And when they get disorganized, I always, always take a deep breathe so I can hold my anger.

I love my cleaning ability though.

LuciferSam
June 7th, 2013, 08:44 AM
I love straight lines. My recent TETRIS addiction probably isn't helping this at all, but I love for stuff to fit together in blocks or to line up straight, pictures, things on my desk, everything.

These.scars.are.me.
July 31st, 2013, 06:03 PM
i would classify myself as having mild OCD. i have to be the one to tidy my room because i'm worried about all of my organisation being messed up and if a person picks up one thing and moves it i have to move everything on the chest even if i'm just picking it up and putting it down. i am forever straightening things. I spend my days counting various objects, be it the number of strips on a wall or the number of buttons on my teachers shirt. It winds my mother up to no end that i CANNOT have the volume of anything on an even number OR a multiple of 5 so i have to change the volume.

Paraxiom
August 26th, 2013, 01:07 PM
Yes I probably have OCD.
I keep everything in my room just so and only move things when I absolutely need to. Then I put it back where it was. Everything is in a position I have set it, which keeps my room tidy, but when I need to search for something, conflicting ideas of where to put stuff in the name of appearance/symmetry/organisation start to come up. So I try to know where things are. The same thing happens with my school locker.
I have also found myself to keep my feet in line with the pavement stones in streets; I did it more often a few years ago but still do it now.

Not a major of negative problem (yet, and hopefully never), but I do definetly have some form of OCD.

Spook
August 29th, 2013, 11:33 AM
I am diagnosed with moderate/severe OCD.

*I hear voices telling me to do rituals, if I try not to or am unable; there is a panic and a fear of something bad happening; that later encourages my tics
*My tics are: blinking really hard a certain # of times, which eye it is differs daily; another is picking & biting my cuticles until they bleed, another (in really stressful situations) is rubbing my neck with my palm until it's raw, and another is rubbing the insides of my fingers together. (doing it a certain number of times)
*It has gotten better recently; but from age 11-14 I would wash my hands until they cracked, bled, and were raw and sensitive. Now I only do it with sticky/powdery substances instead of after everything I touch. I had to use hand sanitizer, rubber gloves, etc. in the past.
*I have to straighten my eyelashes. I am constantly using my finger to smooth them; I hate the thought that they wouldn't all go in the same direction. xD This leads to me constantly getting eye irritations.
*When I'm walking down a sidewalk, I cannot step on the block separators. I can step on cracks, just not the straight separators.
*When I am pacing/tapping my hand, I have to do it a certain # of times, then I have to do it an equal number of times on the other hand. Sometimes it will feel unbalanced, and I'll keep tapping to get it to feel right.
*I am mostly okay with mess (I used to have to organize everything, now not so much). Currently instead of cleaning strewn objects; I have to do certain tasks, like, turn the fish aquarium light off. In this example, I'll already be in bed and I can't fall asleep unless I do it.
*I will constantly rake my fingers through my hair, trying to get it straight. I do this all day.
* Sometimes I will have an impulse to say/whisper something, usually offensive, out loud; and if I don't do it I will get that panic/bad thing; so I give in. The same goes with certain actions, usually dangerous ones.
*I have impulses that there are germs/diseases crawling in my skin & I have to sanitize my skin/ wash my hands.
*I do things in even numbers- it usually ranges in number, but they're always even.
*I worry constantly about things I did/didn't do and I have to constantly check them over & over
*I can't touch most things with my palm or I will panic from the germs
*I can't usually shake people's hands without having to wash my hands
*I have constant worry about how I look and I constantly check in the mirror to look at my stomach. I know I'm skinny, but I still see fat; which is another form of ocd
*In public situations, I always have to be in control of things.

I'm 30 shades of fricked up, kay? xD

simplysweet
December 5th, 2013, 05:21 AM
There are multiple types of anxiety disorders; OCD being one of them. Everyone's symptoms will be different of course. I have more than one anxiety disorder; I have OCD and GAD. I may even have another type of anxiety disorder on top of those two! Anyways, OCD is different for everyone. For example, my room is a mess but I still have to keep certain things organized. There are just certain things that I care about organizing. I don't obsess over certain numbers really; I do things repeatedly though. I also obsess over the volume on the TV. The volume on the TV always has to be 10, 11, 12, 13, 15, 17, 19, 20, 21, 23, or 25. Whether I can hear it or not, that's where the volume gets put.

The Trendy Wolf
January 27th, 2014, 05:42 AM
Straightening pencils is definitely my sort of thing, and I tend to adjust a pencil multiple times before it's the way I like it. I arrange things that really have no purpose being organized, for example, I sit at my desk for hours focusing intently on organizing hundreds of colored pencils in a box by their color, and I would be so irritated by the fact that I didn't know where the grays and browns would go. I also spent a few hours making sure that every one of the tabs on an entire color pallet was equally spread apart and splayed out giving an amazing rainbow color effect.

Another thing that I experience, whether it is OCD or not, is that I always need to align things perfectly, in the real world and in video games. In a few of the shooters that I play, I may even move the bodies after I have killed them so that they look 'cool'. In other games, I enjoy map editors very much, but free moving rotation on objects with no locked degrees will annoy me immensely.

SYMMETRY

My OCD is often hard to notice as I also have severe ADHD, and when combined they form a horrific kind of person that's always frantically organizing, but always getting distracted by other unfinished tasks. My imperfections brought about by my ADHD provoke my OCD even more, and I'm constantly fighting myself within my own thoughts and telling myself to stop my outbursts, but to no avail. I'm always either playing with my fingers, cracking my knuckles, biting my lip, scrunching my whole face or grinding my teeth together, and my compulsiveness to crack my knuckles is the likely greatest impulse that I possess. I'm very certain that I am OCD, but it has not been diagnosed officially.

Asianteen4life
March 23rd, 2016, 08:21 PM
Everything . . . must be perfect!

TheFlyer
May 23rd, 2016, 06:50 PM
How much do you know about *just* obsessions, without a notable compulsion?

I know it's a branch off.

Hi, I suffer from Severe OCD, but I know what you are talking about. When thoughts unwanted enter your head, but you do not have compulsions, it is probably intrusive thoughts, which is basically what you just described. OCD almost always consists of compulsions that ease the anxiety of obsessions. Good question though :yes:

Pika2001
January 25th, 2017, 09:45 PM
I think I have OCD, sometimes when I close the garage and come inside, I worry that I forgot to close the garage, so I double check, lmao