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maddogmj77
September 23rd, 2017, 02:45 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/sep/22/donald-trump-nfl-national-anthem-protests


Encouraging private business owners to fire their workers who protest the current societal/political climate in America.
[Taking away the jobs of those who protest.]



Encouraging fans to walk out of stadiums with players who protest.
[Damaging businesses who protest.]

Silencing all dissent. This is the sign of an Authoritarian.

Yet this will appeal to his base because it calls upon their nationalistic "patriotic" feelings in an attempt to silence protesters who have different views.

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UPDATE: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/227

18 U.S. Code § 227 - Wrongfully influencing a private entity’s employment decisions by a Member of Congress or an officer or employee of the legislative or executive branch

(A) Whoever, being a covered government person, with the intent to influence, solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation, an employment decision or employment practice of any private entity:


takes or withholds, or offers or threatens to take or withhold, an official act, or

influences, or offers or threatens to influence, the official act of another,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than 15 years, or both, and may be disqualified from holding any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.

(B) In this section, the term “covered government person” means:


A Senator or Representative in, or a Delegate or Resident Commissioner to, the Congress;

An employee of either House of Congress; or

The President, Vice President, an employee of the United States Postal Service or the Postal Regulatory Commission, or any other executive branch employee (as such term is defined under section 2105 of title 5, United States Code).


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It appears that Trump has actually violated 18 U.S. Code § 227.

lliam
September 23rd, 2017, 03:03 AM
"Wouldn’t you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, ‘Get that son of a bitch off the field right now. Out! He’s fired. He’s fired!'" the president said

seems he renews his part of "The Apprentice" during his presidency.

what a jerk.

Dmaxd123
September 23rd, 2017, 06:15 AM
maybe he shouldn't be sharing his opinion on the issue?

but just like the boozos making more then the president doing less work than the president are making their opinions public the president is making his opinion public


to me the national anthem is about our country as a whole, our military, and our history..... like or hate a specific group or time period I still respect the National Anthem and the Pledge of Allegiance

Hollywood
September 23rd, 2017, 09:34 AM
This is one of those times where it would be best to just not say anything. Let everyone else fight over it while you focus on doing your job.

mattsmith48
September 23rd, 2017, 09:41 AM
I don't think they would like NFL would do it, they would lose too much money from fans protesting them. There is already a lot of people boycotting the NFL because no one signed Kaepernick.

Seriously, it's people not standing during a song, they are bigger issues Trump should be taking care off.

PlasmaHam
September 23rd, 2017, 09:53 AM
Wow, a president encouraging Americans to be respectful and to honor the country that protects them. How authoritarian! Why, the next thing you know, he might be encouraging Americans businesses to hire veterans! Oh the agony, oh my snowflake feelings are so hurt because the president encouraged an action I don't like. I must rant about the president being an authoritarian despite clearly having no idea what authoritarianism actually is!

This is obsurd. Statement's like this happen with all the presidents, their own freedom of speech does not disappear when they take office. Your reaction to this, and nothing personal, is so indicative of the hyperbolic trigglies who think every word out of Trump's mouth is a call to gas the Jews. Those, in my opinion, are the most closed-minded people in politics today. So if you want to continue this conversation, please first look into what authoritarianism actually is and see if that applied to Trump's opinions stated here.


I don't think they would like NFL would do it, they would lose too much money from fans protesting them. There is already a lot of people boycotting the NFL because no one signed Kaprernick
There are also a lot of people boycotting the NFL over the protests. That contributed to the low ratings from last year and into this year. So essentially it is a lose-lose situation here, though honestly I don't see feminists and SJWS as really fans of the NFL in the first place, so I don't think much would be lost if they started boycotting the NFL.

mattsmith48
September 23rd, 2017, 11:10 AM
Wow, a president encouraging Americans to be respectful and to honor the country that protects them. How authoritarian! Why, the next thing you know, he might be encouraging Americans businesses to hire veterans! Oh the agony, oh my snowflake feelings are so hurt because the president encouraged an action I don't like. I must rant about the president being an authoritarian despite clearly having no idea what authoritarianism actually is!

This is obsurd. Statement's like this happen with all the presidents, their own freedom of speech does not disappear when they take office. Your reaction to this, and nothing personal, is so indicative of the hyperbolic trigglies who think every word out of Trump's mouth is a call to gas the Jews. Those, in my opinion, are the most closed-minded people in politics today. So if you want to continue this conversation, please first look into what authoritarianism actually is and see if that applied to Trump's opinions stated here.

He only told a private company to fire people who don't think like him, he didn't do something really terrible like a gay couple trying to buy a wedding cake. Also come on we all know Trump doesn't give a shit about veterans. And he's not going to gas the Jews for two reasons, its after Muslims and Mexicans he's after and he loves his daughter too much.

Seriously tho this comes a week after the white house called for the firing of a ESPN host because she insulted President Snowflake on Twitter by saying the truth. And two weeks after they said Neo-Nazis shouldn't get fired for being racists.

There are also a lot of people boycotting the NFL over the protests. That contributed to the low ratings from last year and into this year. So essentially it is a lose-lose situation here, though honestly I don't see feminists and SJWS as really fans of the NFL in the first place, so I don't think much would be lost if they started boycotting the NFL.

You know what the protesting is about?

Dalcourt
September 23rd, 2017, 10:24 PM
Do people realize that with the permanent discussion of such a rather minor thing they all kinda hype it? The president has to comment on it....yeah make it an even bigger issue.

Kaepernick kneels during the playing of the anthem...yeah really big deal. He does something that he should not do at his job. So it's his employer's thing to say something if it is a problem and not the president's.

So constantly condemning this was what made it interesting and made others following his example. If people just had left him and let the team deal with it, bet it would never have become a "thing" really.

maddogmj77
September 23rd, 2017, 11:47 PM
Wow, a president encouraging Americans to be respectful and to honor the country that protects them. How authoritarian!

"encouraging Americans"... You mean encouraging people not to protest or risk losing their job or damaging their business. That's authoritarianism.
That is discouraging peaceful, silent protest. Something which is covered in our first amendment.

What he is saying is "People who protest should lose their job"
Do you realize how horrible & Authoritarian that is?

Statement's like this happen with all the presidents...
No. No president has ever encouraged people who peacefully and silently protest to lose their jobs. Sources please?

their own freedom of speech does not disappear when they take office.
As president, Trump is now part of the government. The government shall make no attempt to abridge the freedom of speech... or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Also, take a look at my updated post. He violated 18 U.S. Code § 227 by encouraging a private entity to make employment decisions.

So if you want to continue this conversation, please first look into what authoritarianism actually is and see if that applied to Trump's opinions stated here.
Authoritarianism: the enforcement or advocacy of strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom.
Trump advocates that people are obedient in their pledge of allegiance to the flag, at the expense of their personal freedom to choose whether or not they want to do so (Freedom of Speech; Freedom of Expression).

Oh the agony, oh my snowflake feelings are so hurt...

Your reaction to this, and nothing personal, is so indicative of the hyperbolic trigglies who think every word out of Trump's mouth is a call to gas the Jews.
Weren't you the one who said you hate how VT's debates always came down to insults?... and then you call people "snowflake". 10/10 dude. Your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

And then you somehow relate this to people saying that Trump is calling to gas the Jews??? I never said that, but if that's what you think, ooookay...

I've never seen someone with such great debating skills. Personal insults (https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/1/Ad-Hominem-Abusive), using Guilt By Association (https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/10/Ad-Hominem-Guilt-by-Association) against Liberals, making irrelevant assumptions to attack my character (https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/1/Ad-Hominem-Abusive). You've got it all.

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Do people realize that with the permanent discussion of such a rather minor thing they all kinda hype it? The president has to comment on it....yeah make it an even bigger issue.

Kaepernick kneels during the playing of the anthem...yeah really big deal. He does something that he should not do at his job. So it's his employer's thing to say something if it is a problem and not the president's.
Yes, I know there are bigger issues to point out. But we can't just let these things slide under the rug. This is an attempt to silence protest. This is Authoritarianism.

Trump has attacked Colin Kaepernick with more conviction, than he has Nazis

Nazis & White Supremacists armed with shields and assault weapons: "Some very fine people."
Peaceful Silent Protesters: "Sons of bitches"
-Donald Trump

He could have used his presidency to attack NFL players who abuse Women, rape Women, but then get lenient sentences and are able to play again.
But he's okay with people abusing Women: "grab em' by the pussy." He's not okay with Black people peacefully protesting...

So constantly condemning this was what made it interesting and made others following his example. If people just had left him and let the team deal with it, bet it would never have become a "thing" really.
If we let these things go, we're saying it's okay. It's okay that Trump defends White Supremacists & Nazis. It's okay that Trump is trying to silence protesters.
I'm not gonna be silent, that's exactly what Trump wants. He WANTS to silence protest.

It was NOT condemning it which made it "a thing"; It was Trump saying it.
It was his Nationalist supporters who support this allegiance to the country without protest.
It was his supporters who follow and defend his every word because Trump can do no wrong.

He's egotistical, he's always bragging about him being the greatest, and having "the biggest inauguration crowd" (lie), "the biggest presidency win" (lie), "great ratings" (lie).

He can't stand bad ratings, he can't stand criticism, & he can't stand protest. So I do exactly that.

mattsmith48
September 24th, 2017, 10:30 AM
I love that Trump's comments made even more players protests during the national anthem including coaches and staff members and even the owner of the Jacksonville Jaguars.

Bluegrass
September 25th, 2017, 05:09 AM
It was just another bad joke from Trump but people take all he saids very seriously but Trump won't care what they do.

mattsmith48
September 25th, 2017, 06:23 AM
It was just another bad joke from Trump but people take all he saids very seriously but Trump won't care what they do.

Yeah just like grab their pussy was just a joke, and kill the family of terrorists was just a joke, and Mexicans are rapists was just a joke, and build the wall was just a joke, and ban all Muslims was just a joke, and Obama is Kenyan spy baby was just a joke, when a politician you support says something controversial you either own it or criticize him on it, you don't make shit up to try to excuse it.

Bluegrass
September 25th, 2017, 06:35 AM
mattsmith48 I don't support Trump I just sit back and laugh at what he does and what people say about him.

mattsmith48
September 25th, 2017, 06:38 AM
mattsmith48 I don't support Trump I just sit back and laugh at what he does and what people say about him.

Why do you make excuses for what he said though?

Bluegrass
September 25th, 2017, 06:59 AM
mattsmith48 most of Trump's ideas are ridiculous and he can't make happen.He talks more like a stand up comedian and when Trump makes a statement you got to realize thats Trump someone that screws up.

mattsmith48
September 25th, 2017, 07:16 AM
mattsmith48 most of Trump's ideas are ridiculous and he can't make happen.He talks more like a stand up comedian and when Trump makes a statement you got to realize thats Trump someone that screws up.

He's a politician, everything he says must be taking seriously. If he wanted to be a comedian he would have stayed on TV.

Bluegrass
September 25th, 2017, 07:30 AM
mattsmith48 He did very surprisingly get chosen by the people.He's got a big mouth and needs to be corrected often.Trump does not like to admit later he said something he should not have.I think cause he wants to look like he knows what he's doing.I mean people try to take him seriously but you really just can't on most things.

maddogmj77
September 25th, 2017, 09:39 AM
mattsmith48 He did very surprisingly get chosen by the people.He's got a big mouth and needs to be corrected often.Trump does not like to admit later he said something he should not have.I think cause he wants to look like he knows what he's doing. I mean people try to take him seriously but you really just can't on most things.
He didn't really get chosen by the people though... He got chosen by the electoral college. He lost the vote of the people.

He is EXTREMELY egotistical. He will NEVER admit when he's wrong.

It's very sad when you can't even take anything the President of The United States says seriously. Really shows how low our standards for him have to be set.
Still doesn't change the fact that what he did broke the law.

mattsmith48
September 25th, 2017, 12:08 PM
He didn't really get chosen by the people though... He got chosen by the electoral college. He lost the vote of the people.

He is EXTREMELY egotistical. He will NEVER admit when he's wrong.

In other words a man-child with narcissistic personality disorder.

It's very sad when you can't even take anything the President of The United States says seriously. Really shows how low our standards for him have to be set.
Still doesn't change the fact that what he did broke the law.

Which time and which law are you referring to here?

maddogmj77
September 25th, 2017, 12:23 PM
Which time and which law are you referring to here?
Read the original post on this thread, I updated it.

He violated 18 U.S. Code § 227 by trying to influence a private entities' employment decisions.

mattsmith48
September 25th, 2017, 12:25 PM
Read the original post on this thread, I updated it.

He violated 18 U.S. Code § 227 by trying to influence a private entities' employment decisions.

Oh that's right, I was just asking since they are so many laws he broke.

maddogmj77
September 25th, 2017, 12:44 PM
Oh that's right, I was just asking since they are so many laws he broke.
I'm certainly not a Donald Trump supporter either. But this is the only time that I can recall, where I've been able to point to a specific law and say without a doubt "Yup. He broke that."

mattsmith48
September 25th, 2017, 01:10 PM
I'm certainly not a Donald Trump supporter either. But this is the only time that I can recall, where I've been able to point to a specific law and say without a doubt "Yup. He broke that."

Sexual assault and fraud

maddogmj77
September 25th, 2017, 01:17 PM
Sexual assault and fraud

He bragged about his 'ability' to grab Women "by the pussy, 'cause when you're a star they just let you do it." So while it's completely unethical, it's sadly not a confession to sexual assault.

What instance of fraud are you referring to?

mattsmith48
September 25th, 2017, 09:24 PM
He bragged about his 'ability' to grab Women "by the pussy, 'cause when you're a star they just let you do it." So while it's completely unethical, it's sadly not a confession to sexual assault.

They are still 12 women who said were groped by Trump.

What instance of fraud are you referring to?

Trump University

Dmaxd123
September 27th, 2017, 06:47 PM
They are still 12 women who said were groped by Trump.



Trump University



now wait a minute: we can't complain about Trump groping women but condone the NFL in the same thread

Trump may or may not have groped anyone... quite a few NFL players have been charged and found guilty of abusing women


as far as the Trump University... if you were dumb enough to pay into that it's not my fault, just like half of the other "as seen on TV' things or about 1/2 of the online colleges

maddogmj77
September 27th, 2017, 07:04 PM
now wait a minute: we can't complain about Trump groping women but condone the NFL in the same thread

Trump may or may not have groped anyone... quite a few NFL players have been charged and found guilty of abusing women.
I don't condone NFL players who abuse Women. But this has 'nothing' to do with that.
Here's a quote from me I believe you might have missed:
He could have used his presidency to attack NFL players who abuse Women, rape Women, but then get lenient sentences and are able to play again.
But he's okay with people abusing Women: "grab em' by the pussy." He's not okay with Black people peacefully protesting...


as far as the Trump University... if you were dumb enough to pay into that it's not my fault, just like half of the other "as seen on TV' things or about 1/2 of the online colleges
So advertisers should able to claim whatever they want, even if it's a lie, and make off with all the money? That's called false-advertising, it's a crime. Trump ended up shelling out $25 million dollars in settlement claims.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38021820
People need to be held accountable for their actions. Especially scamming people out of their money.

Why should we lower the standard for The President Of The United States, and say: "It's okay that he scammed people out of money, it's the victim's fault"

mattsmith48
September 28th, 2017, 10:56 AM
People need to remember what the players where protesting in the first place, the murdering of unarmed black people by police officers.

now wait a minute: we can't complain about Trump groping women but condone the NFL in the same thread

Trump may or may not have groped anyone... quite a few NFL players have been charged and found guilty of abusing women

They are both bad, one is worse than the other, but it doesn't change that what Trump did to those women and then bragged about it is inexcusable.

as far as the Trump University... if you were dumb enough to pay into that it's not my fault, just like half of the other "as seen on TV' things or about 1/2 of the online colleges

It's like saying the people who believed what he said during the campaign deserve to die because they lost their health care and they can't get treatment for the infection they from a dark alley abortion they had to get because of fetal lead poisoning. People being dumb enough to believing Trump's fake university is going to make them rich doesn't change that it is a crime.

Stronk Serb
September 30th, 2017, 06:24 AM
Need I remind you that Antifa does the same thing with anyone they percieve as a racist white supremacist, but yeah, that is okay I guess.

maddogmj77
September 30th, 2017, 07:23 AM
Need I remind you that Antifa does the same thing with anyone they percieve as a racist white supremacist, but yeah, that is okay I guess.
Uhm, did I say 'ANYTHING' about Antifa? Why do you bring them up? Are you assuming I support them? Because I don't.

You're using a logical fallacy called Guilt by Association. (https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/10/Ad-Hominem-Guilt-by-Association)

Stronk Serb
October 1st, 2017, 04:35 AM
Uhm, did I say 'ANYTHING' about Antifa? Why do you bring them up? Are you assuming I support them? Because I don't.

You're using a logical fallacy called Guilt by Association. (https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/10/Ad-Hominem-Guilt-by-Association)

No but I see no one bashing them when they publicly demand someone lose their job just because they don't like them.

Dalcourt
October 1st, 2017, 04:41 AM
No but I see no one bashing them when they publicly demand someone lose their job just because they don't like them.

Well then maybe you don't read enough conservative US news coverage. Cuz then you would see a lot of bashing those ideas, too.

maddogmj77
October 1st, 2017, 04:48 AM
No but I see no one bashing them when they publicly demand someone lose their job just because they don't like them.
Because this thread is about what Trump did, as the President of the United States.

White Supremacists & Neo-Nazis have the freedom of speech to march, parade, and shout all the racist remarks they want.
Antifa has the freedom of speech to counter-protest them, and encourage they get fired.
That's all covered under freedom of speech & the free exercise thereof.
You can disagree with either side, but it's all free speech.

As the President of the United States (being a part of government), things are a bit different. He doesn't get to have a say in things like this from such a point of power.

18 U.S. Code § 227 - Wrongfully influencing a private entity’s employment decisions by a Member of Congress or an officer or employee of the legislative or executive branch

(A) Whoever, being a covered government person, with the intent to influence, solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation, an employment decision or employment practice of any private entity:


takes or withholds, or offers or threatens to take or withhold, an official act, or

influences, or offers or threatens to influence, the official act of another,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than 15 years, or both, and may be disqualified from holding any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.

(B) In this section, the term “covered government person” means:


A Senator or Representative in, or a Delegate or Resident Commissioner to, the Congress;

An employee of either House of Congress; or

The President, Vice President, an employee of the United States Postal Service or the Postal Regulatory Commission, or any other executive branch employee (as such term is defined under section 2105 of title 5, United States Code).


The president (Donald Trump) can not encourage a private entity (The NFL) to make employment decisions (Fire protestors).
What he did was against the law.

Stronk Serb
October 1st, 2017, 05:00 AM
Because this thread is about what Trump did, as the President of the United States.

White Supremacists & Neo-Nazis have the freedom of speech to march, parade, and shout all the racist remarks they want.
Antifa has the freedom of speech to counter-protest them, and encourage they get fired.
That's all covered under freedom of speech & the free exercise thereof.
You can disagree with either side, but it's all free speech.

As the President of the United States (being a part of government), things are a bit different. He doesn't get to have a say in things like this from such a point of power.

18 U.S. Code § 227 - Wrongfully influencing a private entity’s employment decisions by a Member of Congress or an officer or employee of the legislative or executive branch

(A) Whoever, being a covered government person, with the intent to influence, solely on the basis of partisan political affiliation, an employment decision or employment practice of any private entity:


takes or withholds, or offers or threatens to take or withhold, an official act, or

influences, or offers or threatens to influence, the official act of another,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than 15 years, or both, and may be disqualified from holding any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.

(B) In this section, the term “covered government person” means:


A Senator or Representative in, or a Delegate or Resident Commissioner to, the Congress;

An employee of either House of Congress; or

The President, Vice President, an employee of the United States Postal Service or the Postal Regulatory Commission, or any other executive branch employee (as such term is defined under section 2105 of title 5, United States Code).


The president (Donald Trump) can not encourage a private entity (The NFL) to make employment decisions (Fire protestors).
What he did was against the law.

So it's okay if Antifa and the alt-right do the immoral things like that, but if the president does, it's not just because it's against the law and can be regarded as an abuse of power. I mean just because he is president makes this a really bad thing?

maddogmj77
October 1st, 2017, 05:05 AM
So it's okay if Antifa and the alt-right do the immoral things like that, but if the president does, it's not just because it's against the law and can be regarded as an abuse of power. I mean just because he is president makes this a really bad thing?
I never said it was moral to do things like that on either side. I'm saying it's covered under free-speech.

If the president does it, it's an abuse of power because they're using the presidency to try to influence businesses to make employment decisions to advance their political agenda. That is an abuse of power.

What Trump is trying to do, is limit free speech. He's trying to silence dissent; have those who disagree with him fired. He is abusing his power.

Stronk Serb
October 1st, 2017, 05:06 AM
I never said it was moral to do things like that on either side. I'm saying it's covered under free-speech.

If the president does it, it's an abuse of power because they're using the presidency to try to influence businesses to make employment decisions to advance their political agenda. That is an abuse of power.

Impeach the guy then. I think Pence will take over and the US will become a calmer place.

maddogmj77
October 1st, 2017, 05:07 AM
Impeach the guy then. I think Pence will take over and the US will become a calmer place.
Not that easy unfortunately. The people have no say in these kinds of things. It's all down to the Congress, who are still too loyal.

mattsmith48
October 1st, 2017, 11:30 AM
Not that easy unfortunately. The people have no say in these kinds of things. It's all down to the Congress, who are still too loyal.

I don't think it's loyalty, I think they are just scared of him and his supporters.

mattsmith48
October 9th, 2017, 11:46 AM
Jerry Jones is an idiot! Two weeks after taking a knee with his entire team, said after Sunday's game that the Cowboys will bench players who protest during the national anthem. The Cowboys are one of the worst team when it comes to domestic violence and overall off-field misconduct, maybe he should do something about that instead of going after peaceful protests

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20961541/dallas-cowboys-owner-jerry-jones-says-player-disrespects-flag-play

Also future US president and Trump's current vice-fuhrer wasted tax payer money for a PR stunt when he left a Colts game after the national anthem because 49ers players took a knee.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20955550/mike-pence-leaves-san-francisco-49ers-indianapolis-colts-game-protesting-national-anthem

I like to think Roger Goodell is just seeing all of this happening and say to himself ''I miss when it was easy stuff like Ray Rice or Tom Brady''

MeganA
November 13th, 2017, 05:46 PM
I think Trump is a jerk for how he has treated sports players.

NewLeafsFan
November 18th, 2017, 04:22 AM
I don't like the protesting thing for two reasons.

First, in my opinion the national anthem is an inappropriate time to protest. That being said, it is far worse for a President, that has at the very least been accused of being racist to talk about the protest without commenting on racism. Just saying, "they should say 'your fired!'" just divides us more.

Secondly, no one knows who is protesting what anymore. Are you protesting Donald Trump or Police brutality against African Americans? Not nearly as many people protested until Trump had his foolish comments?

mattsmith48
November 19th, 2017, 05:05 AM
I don't like the protesting thing for two reasons.

First, in my opinion the national anthem is an inappropriate time to protest. That being said, it is far worse for a President, that has at the very least been accused of being racist to talk about the protest without commenting on racism. Just saying, "they should say 'your fired!'" just divides us more.

Secondly, no one knows who is protesting what anymore. Are you protesting Donald Trump or Police brutality against African Americans? Not nearly as many people protested until Trump had his foolish comments?

Well it might end up getting both Goodell and Jerry Jones out of the league so at least Trump's comments would have done one good thing. Now if he can get Snyder and Spanos out too that would be nice.

Stronk Serb
November 25th, 2017, 10:20 PM
NewLeafsFan

You do have a point. What the hell are Americans protesting against? It's an honest question. What do your protests plan to achieve and what do they strive for?

mattsmith48
November 26th, 2017, 04:46 AM
NewLeafsFan

You do have a point. What the hell are Americans protesting against? It's an honest question. What do your protests plan to achieve and what do they strive for?

To start a discussion about cops murdering unarmed black people.

maddogmj77
November 27th, 2017, 03:19 AM
First, in my opinion the national anthem is an inappropriate time to protest.
Why do you think so?

It's a nationalist tradition. They don't even do stuff like this in other countries. They think it's too nationalistic and weird.

It's a peaceful protest. He was taught by a Marine to kneel instead of sitting to show respect. So he did.

Secondly, no one knows who is protesting what anymore. Are you protesting Donald Trump or Police brutality against African Americans? Not nearly as many people protested until Trump had his foolish comments?
This is true.

I wish people would focus on the original issue of Police brutality.

But I also believe that Trump's Authoritarian comments deserved protest.

You do have a point. What the hell are Americans protesting against? It's an honest question. What do your protests plan to achieve and what do they strive for?
To call attention to the unequal amount of black people (mostly unarmed) who are killed by our police force.

Once Trump said they should be fired, a lot of them started protesting Trump's authoritarianism.

People seem to have forgotten the original cause.

NewLeafsFan
November 27th, 2017, 11:03 PM
Why do you think so?

It's a nationalist tradition. They don't even do stuff like this in other countries. They think it's too nationalistic and weird.

It's a peaceful protest. He was taught by a Marine to kneel instead of sitting to show respect. So he did.

I realize that my first point is controversial but that is my opinion on the matter. It's a time of reverence and respect not a time to try to prove a point

maddogmj77
November 28th, 2017, 12:30 AM
I realize that my first point is controversial but that is my opinion on the matter. It's a time of reverence and respect not a time to try to prove a point

Alright, I understand. So you disapprove of people protesting the anthem.

But don't you think that peaceful protest is a part of free speech and our first amendment?
Don't you think that what Trump said was an attempt at authoritarianism by trying to silence peaceful protest?

The original purpose was not to "prove a point", it was to call attention to a problem in America (It worked pretty well, but people have forgotten the original cause)
And when Trump tried to get peaceful protestors fired, that was Authoritarianism.
Veterans would be honored that we're using our right to peacefully protest against an authoritarian in office trying to disrupt free-speech.

If the NFL wants to set rules, fine.
But this is NO place for government to step in. Trump overstepped his bounds.

NewLeafsFan
November 29th, 2017, 02:42 AM
Alright, I understand. So you disapprove of people protesting the anthem.

But don't you think that peaceful protest is a part of free speech and our first amendment?
Don't you think that what Trump said was an attempt at authoritarianism by trying to silence peaceful protest?

The original purpose was not to "prove a point", it was to call attention to a problem in America (It worked pretty well, but people have forgotten the original cause)
And when Trump tried to get peaceful protestors fired, that was Authoritarianism.
Veterans would be honored that we're using our right to peacefully protest against an authoritarian in office trying to disrupt free-speech.

If the NFL wants to set rules, fine.
But this is NO place for government to step in. Trump overstepped his bounds.

I didn't say that you can't protest during the anthem, I said that I felt it was inappropriate and disrespectful. I never mentioned amendments. You can protest anything that you want for the other 23 hrs and 57 mins a day and have my support.

Yes, in was even more inappropriate for Donald Trump to step in.

mattsmith48
November 29th, 2017, 06:10 AM
I didn't say that you can't protest during the anthem, I said that I felt it was inappropriate and disrespectful. I never mentioned amendments. You can protest anything that you want for the other 23 hrs and 57 mins a day and have my support.

Yes, in was even more inappropriate for Donald Trump to step in.

Its not more inappropriate or disrespectful than the people in the crowd who are texting, talking, cheering or eating during the anthem, at least the players are kneeling for a reason.

Dmaxd123
November 29th, 2017, 02:48 PM
1. can't believe this topic is still alive

2. what is kneeling really achieving?

3. Kappernick will be a short lived household name

4. I agree trump should have stayed out of it

5. IF Kappernick & the other NFL players really wanted to make a difference they could start sending $$ to support different causes.

maddogmj77
December 29th, 2017, 04:53 PM
2. what is kneeling really achieving?
Bringing attention to a problem. Making people think about it.

5. IF Kappernick & the other NFL players really wanted to make a difference they could start sending $$ to support different causes.
. . . But he has tho . . .

http://kaepernick7.com/million-dollar-pledge/

https://www.gq.com/story/colin-kaepernick-million-dollar-pledge