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Bull
September 19th, 2017, 09:22 PM
Now that I have your attention, I don't want anyone to leave, however, it you have an issue; come up with a solution. I have had it with all these jerks who choose to disrespect America by taking a knee during the National Anthem. Now I just read about a football team for ages 8 and under taking a knee during the playing of the National Anthem. Disgusting! I am not interested in a debate. I have said my piece. I will not engage. I am an American. I am proud to stand and salute my flag and support my country. I pray for my country and for those who show their disrespect that they will come to their senses and show respect as they work to right wrongs. God Bless America!

Sailor Mars
September 19th, 2017, 09:38 PM
>"I am not interested in a debate
>Posts in ROTW

Uhm okay? Should I lock this then?...

Im also an american, and I couldn't care less about someone taking a knee during he national anthem or not standing for it. That's their right and their choice as a fellow American to decide what they want to say or do.

(Speaking of Collin Capernick now) That being said, I don't really agree with what happened NOT because of what actually happened, but because of who he is. If you want to express your political beliefs or whatever that's cool, go right ahead, but if you're at your job site and doing your job then that's not the appropriate time or place to be doing that. You signed a contract to play football. You didn't sign a contract to express your beliefs. That's my only problem with the whole situation.

Babs
September 19th, 2017, 09:47 PM
i give this post a D+, i appreciated your passion but not your demand for cult-like reverence for meaningless ceremonial gestures, and i found your inflated disgust for mildly unpatriotic actions to be a tired rhetoric. really who cares about any of this.

Voice_Of_Unreason
September 19th, 2017, 09:47 PM
@Bull (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/member.php?u=104146), I thought it was well stated. It is such a shame that even children are being indoctrinated into disrespecting the government that provides their own education. Our national identity is the one thing that binds Americans regardless of race, religion, or class. Actively pushing against our national identity does not heal divisions, but create them.

I don't really see this as just regarding football (though relevant) but as a sign of a larger problem within our culture. On the football topic though, I do wish the media would call it for what it is rather than claim it has nothing to do with America. And while these players do have the right to protest America, they do not have a right to use the NFL as a stage for it, and thus the NFL is under no obligation to keep them signed-on.

mattsmith48
September 19th, 2017, 09:58 PM
Its been a year since this started get over it. It's just football players having quiet non-violent protest against racial discrimination from law enforcement. I thought you guys were for free speech?

Also why playing the national anthem before a football game of eight year old kids? And why letting eight year old kids play football that is really irresponsible parenting.

Sailor Mars
September 19th, 2017, 09:59 PM
@Bull (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/member.php?u=104146), I thought it was well stated. It is such a shame that even children are being indoctrinated into disrespecting the government that provides their own education. Our national identity is the one thing that binds Americans regardless of race, religion, or class. Actively pushing against our national identity does not heal divisions, but create them.

I don't really see this as just regarding football (though relevant) but as a sign of a larger problem within our culture. On the football topic though, I do wish the media would call it for what it is rather than claim it has nothing to do with America. And while these players do have the right to protest America, they do not have a right to use the NFL as a stage for it, and thus the NFL is under no obligation to keep them signed-on.

So you have a problem with an American expressing his right to free speech or?... im confused when people say this ^ that you're disrespecting your country by not standing for the national anthem n stuff but you have the right to stand for it or not?

Voice_Of_Unreason
September 19th, 2017, 10:05 PM
Its been a year since this started get over it. It's just football players having quiet non-violent protest against racial discrimination from law enforcement. I thought you guys were for free speech?
I don't see why I should change my opinion on disrespecting the flag just because a year has passed?

@Mars (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/member.php?u=118045) How is my supporting of free speech relevant here? Please elaborate.

Sailor Mars
September 19th, 2017, 10:10 PM
It's someone's right to decide if they want to stand or not to the national anthem. I don't see how that's disrespecting our government or teaching kids some bs like? If anything were teaching kids they have the right to free speech.

If you think everyone here should be required to stand to the national anthem then that's oppressing my right to free speech, is it not? So I don't see why you're bringing up these points of brainwashing kids to dislike the government when that's not the case?... or relevant?...
PlasmaHam

mattsmith48
September 19th, 2017, 10:13 PM
It's been 150 years since slavery ended in America, has the Left gotten over it yet? I don't see why I should change my opinion on disrespecting the flag just because a year has passed?

I don't know about the left, but the right and more precisely the ones who live in the south, don't seem to have gotten over slavery ending and losing the civil war.

I'm just saying its kinda late to start this thread and getting outrage by these protests.

Voice_Of_Unreason
September 19th, 2017, 10:29 PM
It's someone's right to decide if they want to stand or not to the national anthem. I don't see how that's disrespecting our government or teaching kids some bs like? People have a right, sure. People also have a right to call every black guy they see a nigger. That doesn't mean that I am somehow against free speech by telling people it's disrespectfull to say that. Nor does free speech mean that I can't have an opinion against certain speech.

If you think everyone here should be required to stand to the national anthem then that's oppressing my right to free speech, is it not? So I don't see why you're bringing up these points of brainwashing kids to dislike the government when that's not the case?... or relevant?...
@PlasmaHam (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/member.php?u=122733)Did I ever say that I wanted to force people to stand? Honestly I still don't see the point of bringing in the First Amendment here. I have a right to say that people are wrong to disrespect the flag and thus the nation, just like others have the right to do just that.

I think you are confused about my position here. I believe that the continued anti-American beliefs by those on the Left are a threat to national stability and undermines our national indentity. None of that is in any reasonable manner related to freedom of speech. So I ask again, how is free speech relevant here?

Stronk Serb
September 20th, 2017, 04:42 AM
I don't know about the left, but the right and more precisely the ones who live in the south, don't seem to have gotten over slavery ending and losing the civil war.

I'm just saying its kinda late to start this thread and getting outrage by these protests.

The southern aristocrat viewed the abolition of slavery as an attack on his pockets, the southern soldier viewed it as an attack on his state rights which could mean infringement of his personal rights later on. Do you support national self-determination? I do, and I think the South should have been let go. They overwhelmingly wanted to secede.

Sailor Mars
September 20th, 2017, 07:59 AM
People have a right, sure. People also have a right to call every black guy they see a nigger. That doesn't mean that I am somehow against free speech by telling people it's disrespectfull to say that. Nor does free speech mean that I can't have an opinion against certain speech.
Did I ever say that I wanted to force people to stand? Honestly I still don't see the point of bringing in the First Amendment here. I have a right to say that people are wrong to disrespect the flag and thus the nation, just like others have the right to do just that.
Well I also agree with people disrespecting the flag is wrong. Stepping on it or burning a still flyable flag is fucked up (and isn't it illegal as well?) But i respect people's right to protest. Protest is what made America. Not standing for the national anthem isn't disrespectful. Point blank period.

Also, I never said that you specifically said you wanted to force people to stand for it. I'm just saying that if you're against people sitting down then what does it sound like then?

Calling someone the n word is completely different from not standing for the national anthem and I have no idea why you'd even compare the two. If you call someone the n word then you're discriminating and being a fucking racist against someone. If you don't stand for the national anthem you're just... not standing for a song? You can still like America and respect the country but you don't have to stand for it. How many times do you stand when a football or baseball game is playing on TV? I bet you don't.

I think you are confused about my position here. I believe that the continued anti-American beliefs by those on the Left are a threat to national stability and undermines our national indentity. None of that is in any reasonable manner related to freedom of speech. So I ask again, how is free speech relevant here?
Again, kinda sick of you stereotyping left leaning beliefs with being anti-American. Trump wants to put a fucking travel ban on muskims, take rights away from gays, discriminate against Mexicans, take away health care from thousands of Americans and you want to tell me he's the most patriotic person in the country because he's what? A republican? Yeah, okay. Just because someone doesn't stand for the anthem doesn't mean they're undermining or disrespecting the nation. Honestly I get more triggered over people doing shit with the flag than not standing for the anthem.

And again, if you're not standing or if you are standing, you are expressing your free speech, and that's how it's relevant.

Living For Love
September 20th, 2017, 08:16 AM
I actually had to google "taking a knee during the National Anthem" because I wasn't sure what this really meant as we don't have this type of traditions in my country.

I believe people have the right to refuse adopting a certain gesture or body position, unless, of course, that goes against a certain established rule. For instance, I know that military people have to salute the flag and the President, and they know it's a rule when they enlist the army. As far as the NFL players prostests are concerned, Mars summed up pretty well my thoughts, although I'm not sure if NFL actually obliges players to adopt a certain body posture when the national anthem is being played. Also, calling someone a "nigger" is a form of free spech, just like taking a knee during the National Anthem is. Doesn't mean that I agree with it, but people should be allowed to say it/do it.

Voice_Of_Unreason
September 20th, 2017, 09:23 AM
Well I also agree with people disrespecting the flag is wrong. Stepping on it or burning a still flyable flag is fucked up (and isn't it illegal as well?) But i respect people's right to protest. Protest is what made America. Not standing for the national anthem isn't disrespectful. Point blank period. Not standing for the national anthem is disrespectful. Just because you are 'protesting' doesn't change that point. People have a right to protest, but just because you protest does not mean you are morally in the right. Is the pointless violence and destruction done by Antifa morally righteous because they are protesting? No, regardless of how you feel about their political stances, their senseless destruction is not morally justified because senseless destruction is never morally justified.

Also, I never said that you specifically said you wanted to force people to stand for it. I'm just saying that if you're against people sitting down then what does it sound like then?
Are you against calling black people niggers?

Calling someone the n word is completely different from not standing for the national anthem and I have no idea why you'd even compare the two. If you call someone the n word then you're discriminating and being a fucking racist against someone. If you don't stand for the national anthem you're just... not standing for a song? You can still like America and respect the country but you don't have to stand for it. How many times do you stand when a football or baseball game is playing on TV? I bet you don't.
Calling someone a nigger and refusing to stand for the flag are both cases of controversial uses of free speech, so it is applicable here. Honestly I don't get your argument here. You said that you don't personally like flag burning, right? But the flag is only some cotton with a pretty design, so why does it matter if they burn it or not? It matters, because that flag has meaning, it stands for America. The National Anthem is not just a 'song' like you are saying it is. It has meaning. It is a symbol of America.

As for your other statements, I suggest you read the US Flag Code.


Again, kinda sick of you stereotyping left leaning beliefs with being anti-American. Trump wants to put a fucking travel ban on muskims, take rights away from gays, discriminate against Mexicans, take away health care from thousands of Americans and you want to tell me he's the most patriotic person in the country...
Did I say Trump was the most patriotic person in the country? I still stand by my statement that the Left in general is less patriotic, and your posts here certainly aren't doing anything to change those. But let's not dive into a "which side is more patriotic' shall we? This thread is already all over the place.

And again, if you're not standing or if you are standing, you are expressing your free speech, and that's how it's relevant.
If you are calling someone a nigger, you are expressing free speech. How is free speech relevant here? If you want me to stop using that word, I suggest you stop this irrelevant side argument.

Sailor Mars
September 20th, 2017, 09:59 AM
Not standing for the national anthem is disrespectful. Just because you are 'protesting' doesn't change that point. People have a right to protest, but just because you protest does not mean you are morally in the right. Is the pointless violence and destruction done by Antifa morally righteous because they are protesting? No, regardless of how you feel about their political stances, their senseless destruction is not morally justified because senseless destruction is never morally justified.

Are you against calling black people niggers?


Calling someone a nigger and refusing to stand for the flag are both cases of controversial uses of free speech, so it is applicable here. Honestly I don't get your argument here. You said that you don't personally like flag burning, right? But the flag is only some cotton with a pretty design, so why does it matter if they burn it or not? It matters, because that flag has meaning, it stands for America. The National Anthem is not just a 'song' like you are saying it is. It has meaning. It is a symbol of America.

As for your other statements, I suggest you read the US Flag Code.



Did I say Trump was the most patriotic person in the country? I still stand by my statement that the Left in general is less patriotic, and your posts here certainly aren't doing anything to change those. But let's not dive into a "which side is more patriotic' shall we? This thread is already all over the place.


If you are calling someone a nigger, you are expressing free speech. How is free speech relevant here? If you want me to stop using that word, I suggest you stop this irrelevant side argument.
What the shit? Am I missing something here?

Okay, one, not standing for the national anthem again ISNT comparable to terrorists destroying property and harming people? Wtf? Where are you getting this from? Two, Yes, im against people saying the N word because it's FUCKING RACIST AND DISCRIMINATORY. I don't?? Understand what's hard to understand about that?

Sure, both are expressing your free speech, but one is being a racist dickhead and one is in case of a protest of something. That's like saying marching down the street is disrespectful? Like? I'm still confused about the comparisons and WHY exactly you're comparing these completely different things?

I understand that the national anthem means something. I do get that. It represents the flag and the country n stuff. But if you want to protest or if you don't want to stand it isn't being disrespectful, it's just expressing your right to protest and speak out against whatever wrong in America you're speaking out against. Calling someone the N word is purposefully trying to hurt that person based off of their race, which is wrong. It isn't a matter of expressing your free speech at that point it's about being hurting someone else.

I didn't say you said trump was the most patriotic. However you stand up for the things he does and you support him regardless of the anti American shit that he does. Yet now you want to argue about this?

Again tho, how many times is the national anthem on TV and you don't stand for it? I seen a post about this before and it brings up a really good point now. Now whenever I'm watching a game on tv and they start playing it I stand. If I didn't stand, it wouldn't be disrespectful right? I'm not protesting or anything, it's just a song on tv at that point right?

Living For Love
September 20th, 2017, 10:39 AM
Sure, both are expressing your free speech, but one is being a racist dickhead and one is in case of a protest of something. That's like saying marching down the street is disrespectful? Like? I'm still confused about the comparisons and WHY exactly you're comparing these completely different things?
The problem is that if you justify an action on the basis that it is a protest, then pretty much anything can be justified. If I organised an anti Black Lives Matter rally and marched down the street while shouting "BLM activists are niggers" (despite the fact that not all blm activists are black people), would that be justifiable?

I understand that the national anthem means something. I do get that. It represents the flag and the country n stuff. But if you want to protest or if you don't want to stand it isn't being disrespectful, it's just expressing your right to protest and speak out against whatever wrong in America you're speaking out against. Calling someone the N word is purposefully trying to hurt that person based off of their race, which is wrong. It isn't a matter of expressing your free speech at that point it's about being hurting someone else.
Would you have a problem if I called a white person a nigger?


I'm not protesting or anything, it's just a song on tv at that point right?
Nigger is just a word, the national anthem is just a song, the flag is just an object. They are equally valid when it comes to freedom of speech.

PinkFloyd
September 20th, 2017, 11:02 AM
I personally wouldn't ever take a knee for the national anthem. However, I respect peoples' rights of expression to do so.

Sailor Mars
September 20th, 2017, 11:25 AM
The problem is that if you justify an action on the basis that it is a protest, then pretty much anything can be justified. If I organised an anti Black Lives Matter rally and marched down the street while shouting "BLM activists are niggers" (despite the fact that not all blm activists are black people), would that be justifiable?


Would you have a problem if I called a white person a nigger?


Nigger is just a word, the national anthem is just a song, the flag is just an object. They are equally valid when it comes to freedom of speech.

This is getting off topic, but even then, yes. If you're protesting against someone's race which doesn't make sense? then that's discrimination. If you called a white person the n word, that's racist because the word is still racist.

Yes, theyre Just words or objects, but everything has a meaning behind it. Just because you're expressing your right to free speech by saying racist shit doesn't mean your right. If you're protesting against a problem in America, and your way of expressing your protest is by taking a knee during the national anthem, that isn't offensive? That's not discriminatory? By saying the N word to someone you're purposefully trying to hurt them and or discriminate against them. They're completely different circumstances EVEN THOUGH they're both expressing their right to freedom of speech.

Is it really that hard to understand? Like I'm confused of how you guys are trying to argue this

ShineintheDark
September 20th, 2017, 11:55 AM
All this boils down to a cult-like worship of a damn song. I can tell you now, whilst some may get upset about it, most people would not give a single damn if a British sportsman did this over here. Why? Because we can make the distinction between a national anthem and British identity. Don't get me wrong, I love my country and would never think of betraying it but I also feel no obligation to show respect to God Save the Queen. It was never in his contract to stand for the flag nor was it really a 'protest using the NFL as a stage' as he was still there doing the job he was paid to do. Anything beyond that was their problem, not his. Star-Spangled Banner is not America. The US flag is not America. Love the nation, not the symbols.

Living For Love
September 20th, 2017, 12:03 PM
This is getting off topic, but even then, yes. If you're protesting against someone's race which doesn't make sense? then that's discrimination. If you called a white person the n word, that's racist because the word is still racist.
There is not such thing as racist words, only racist attitudes. Words can't be inherently racist, if anything, they can promote racist actions, but they are not racist per se. By calling a white person a nigger, who exactly are you being racist against? White or black people? I could also ask you how you feel about black people calling other black people niggers, or how you feel about the expression white trash or cracker.

Yes, theyre Just words or objects, but everything has a meaning behind it. Just because you're expressing your right to free speech by saying racist shit doesn't mean your right.
It's not about being right, it's about being able to express an opinion. I can either be allowed to say it or not.

If you're protesting against a problem in America, and your way of expressing your protest is by taking a knee during the national anthem, that isn't offensive? That's not discriminatory? By saying the N word to someone you're purposefully trying to hurt them and or discriminate against them. They're completely different circumstances EVEN THOUGH they're both expressing their right to freedom of speech.

Is it really that hard to understand? Like I'm confused of how you guys are trying to argue this
Because the fact that I am bigoted or prejudiced isn't enough reason to have my right of freedom of speech removed. Nor is the fact that people's feelings are offended by what I might say. If we forbid people from using the word nigger because it's offensive, why not forbid any other offensive words like fag, retarded, idiot? Even the word autist is nowadays used as a synonym of idiot or stupid.

DoodleSnap
September 20th, 2017, 07:10 PM
Uhhh, good for you?

One of the most important, if not the most important things that defines the USA as a country, is the fact that its visitors, residents, and citizens unequivocally have the right to hate or love whatever they like. They have a right to sing the anthem, disrespect the anthem, whatever.
I don't see what your point is? Are you trying to say that you find it offensive that some would disrespect the anthem?

Mrflufay
October 9th, 2017, 03:54 AM
Personally i havent pledged allegiance and stood for the anthem in soooo long i cant even remember. My teacher kicked me out of class a few days after the football players did their protest. And she said i shouldn't do my little protest in school, even though i havent stood in her class and it was the first time she was in the back of the room to see me not stand. I dont think that what the nfl players did was thst big of a deal though i mean they play a game for a living its not like their top scientists curing cancer.

maddogmj77
October 9th, 2017, 11:07 AM
Nationalism: Supporting your country no matter what, because "My country is the greatest!".


Patriotism: Supporting your country by making it a better place, because "It's my country."

Nationalists: Will say it's not okay for people to "disrespect" America by taking a knee, because America is greatest place, no-one disrespects Mother America!

Patriots: Will say it's okay for people to take a knee because they're unsatisfied with how things in their country are; want to bring them to attention, and attempt to fix them.

Don't be a Nationalist, be a Patriot. Support your country by trying to change it for the better. Not by silencing all dissent and making everybody bow down to it.

Voice_Of_Unreason
October 9th, 2017, 11:41 AM
My interpretation of nationalism and patriotism, which is more in line with reality.

Nationalist: Supporting your country under the belief that your country is infallible regardless of its actions, and thus pushing for greater global influence by your country and having a large, often hostile, superiority complex over other countries.

Patriot: Supporting your country under the belief that it is good, due to its actions. Accepting of deficiencies within their country, but are still more proud of the good it has done. Able to accept the goodness of other countries and is relatively passive towards them.

Spoiled Brat: Saying that you refuse to respect your country because you think it is an evil oppressor and killer of black people. Publicly praise individuals who hate your country and it's values. All the while, getting paid millions of dollars as a black man to play a game, because your country grants you that freedom.

mattsmith48
October 9th, 2017, 11:50 AM
My interpretation of nationalism and patriotism, which is more in line with reality.

Nationalist: Supporting your country under the belief that your country is infallible regardless of its actions, and thus pushing for greater global influence by your country and having a large, often hostile, superiority complex over other countries.

Patriot: Supporting your country under the belief that it is good, due to its actions. Accepting of deficiencies within their country, but are still more proud of the good it has done. Able to accept the goodness of other countries and is relatively passive towards them.

Spoiled Brat: Saying that you refuse to respect your country because you think it is an evil oppressor and killer of black people. Publicly praise individuals who hate your country and it's values. All the while, getting paid millions of dollars as a black man to play a game, because your country grants you that freedom.

So to you the athletes who protest police openly murdering black people by not standing during a song are just spoiled brat?

maddogmj77
October 9th, 2017, 12:01 PM
So to you the athletes who protest police openly murdering black people by not standing during a song are just spoiled brat?
I've given up trying to argue with him. He probably denies the fact that unarmed black people are being killed at much higher rates than unarmed white people: "Fake News!".

You can't argue with someone who denies facts. So I just ignore him and not give him any attention.

Voice_Of_Unreason
October 9th, 2017, 12:02 PM
So to you the athletes who protest police openly murdering black people by not standing during a song are just spoiled brat?
Yea. They are either self-entitled rich brats believing a false narrative, or just ignorant followers who think their disrespect is actually changing something.
I've given up trying to argue with him. He probably denies the fact that unarmed black people are being killed much more than unarmed white people: "Fake News!".
Oh, I am so heartbroken that you don't like me :(
You can clearly see how much that is affecting me *boohoo!!*

Let's take your statement right there "the fact that unarmed black people are being killed much more than unarmed white people". Now that is true, but is a deceptive statistic. Here is a brief article describing that deception.
The “unarmed” label is literally accurate, but it frequently fails to convey highly-charged policing situations. In a number of cases, if the victim ended up being unarmed, it was certainly not for lack of trying. At least five black victims had reportedly tried to grab the officer’s gun, or had been beating the cop with his own equipment. Some were shot from an accidental discharge triggered by their own assault on the officer. And two individuals included in the Post’s “unarmed black victims” category were struck by stray bullets aimed at someone else in justified cop shootings. If the victims were not the intended targets, then racism could have played no role in their deaths.
In one of those unintended cases, an undercover cop from the New York Police Department was conducting a gun sting in Mount Vernon, just north of New York City. One of the gun traffickers jumped into the cop’s car, stuck a pistol to his head, grabbed $2,400 and fled. The officer gave chase and opened fire after the thief again pointed his gun at him. Two of the officer’s bullets accidentally hit a 61-year-old bystander (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/30/nyregion/bystanders-death-shows-risks-in-gun-buy-stings.html?_r=0), killing him. That older man happened to be black, but his race had nothing to do with his tragic death. In the other collateral damage case (http://www.pilotonline.com/news/local/crime/police-id-two-killed-in-virginia-beach-officer-involved-shooting/article_dd45e6dd-26b0-5583-b7f6-181fba56bd1c.html), Virginia Beach, Virginia, officers approached a car parked at a convenience store that had a homicide suspect in the passenger seat. The suspect opened fire, sending a bullet through an officer’s shirt. The cops returned fire, killing their assailant as well as a woman in the driver’s seat. That woman entered the Post’s database without qualification as an “unarmed black victim” of police fire.

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2016/02/08/black-and-unarmed-behind-the-numbers#.Q7oNSdUOj

There is that. But if you want to ignore that, and believe me you ignore many things, lets talk about more facts. Such is, the facts that blacks compose 13% of the population, but commit 40% of cop-deaths, 65% of robberies, 57% of murders,45% of assaults. Given this, blacks being the victims of 25% of police related deaths is actually pretty low. I could add more facts, like blacks having contact with police at equal rates as whites, how black officers are more likely to shoot than their white counter-parts, and how black homicides are less likely to be done by police than whites or Hispanics, but that would be unnecessary, as I made my point already.

maddogmj77
October 9th, 2017, 12:31 PM
PlasmaHam
Very mature.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/07/11/arent-more-white-people-than-black-people-killed-by-police-yes-but-no/?utm_term=.8af7a692412b

"U.S. police officers have shot and killed the exact same number of unarmed white people as they have unarmed black people: 50 each. But because the white population is approximately five times larger than the black population, that means unarmed black Americans were five times as likely as unarmed white Americans to be shot and killed by a police officer."

Niche cases & anecdotes don't disprove actual statistical evidence.

mattsmith48
October 9th, 2017, 12:33 PM
Yea. They are either self-entitled rich brats believing a false narrative, or just ignorant followers who think their disrespect is actually changing something.

So they shouldn't do anything just because they are payed millions to give each other brain damage, they should just shut up? This is an issue that affects the majority of NFL players, some of them probably fear for their life everytime a cop just talk to them, they shouldn't about this?

What about your buddy, Trump is he a spoiled brat because of that time he disrespected the President, using is fame and daddy's money to call Obama a Kenyan Spy and hire investigators to find if he was really born in the US? or that's fine because he's white?

Endeavour
October 9th, 2017, 01:16 PM
This thread has escalated far too quickly, and is going nowhere and honestly nothing to do with the original purpose of the thread. Posts have been deleted and now it is being locked. :locked: