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PinkFloyd
August 13th, 2017, 10:56 AM
An American tourist in Germany was beaten up by a passer-by after he began giving the Nazi salute outside a cafe in Dresden, police said Sunday.

The incident occurred about 8:15 a.m. Saturday as the man left a cafe called Europe in the Neustadt district of Dresden, police said in a statement. The district is known to be a liberal part of the town and a popular meeting spot for students.

The tourist was identified only as a 41-year-old American man who was “severely drunk,” according to police. He suffered minor injuries, while the stranger who assailed him fled the scene, police said.

Police said the U.S. national is under investigation for violating German laws prohibiting Nazi symbols and that they are still seeking the passer-by for causing personal injury, according to the Associated Press.

This is one of those "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" type of situations.

Mars
August 13th, 2017, 10:59 AM
What an idiot.

mattsmith48
August 13th, 2017, 11:09 AM
A cafe in Germany called Europe, really?! Not very original.

What an idiot.

Or it's just the effects of being drunk at 8:15am.

Mars
August 13th, 2017, 11:13 AM
Or it's just the effects of being drunk at 8:15am.
Again, "What an idiot."

Snowfox
August 13th, 2017, 11:20 AM
Its sickening me that some people find it ok to hit other people cause they act stupid. Also its sickening that nazi salute is banned by law. But hey this is so called liberal europe where its totally fine to lick deeply and passionately Left wing terrorists and ISIS but being national socialist is banned.

ShineintheDark
August 13th, 2017, 11:30 AM
Its sickening me that some people find it ok to hit other people cause they act stupid. Also its sickening that nazi salute is banned by law. But hey this is so called liberal europe where its totally fine to lick deeply and passionately Left wing terrorists and ISIS but being national socialist is banned.

No one finds this ok at all, which is why the attacker is also being investigated and charged. As for the nazi salute being banned, well it's an ideology that tore Germany and wider Europe apart with the most horrific war seen in human history so I sort of see why Germany is so desperate to eradicate any sort of symbol or resurgence of it from the public forum. Should it be banned completely? Depends on your personal view. However, please do not use this as yet another opportunity to bring up 'lick'-ing 'left wing terrorists and ISIS' because this is not the point of the forum at all. Nazism is banned FOR A REASON and just because Sweden itself was not a major player in the conflict to defeat it doesn't mean it's alright.

mattsmith48
August 13th, 2017, 11:33 AM
Its sickening me that some people find it ok to hit other people cause they act stupid. Also its sickening that nazi salute is banned by law. But hey this is so called liberal europe where its totally fine to lick deeply and passionately Left wing terrorists and ISIS but being national socialist is banned.

Terrorist groups and acts are illegal in Europe no matter who does them. I would also like to point out that when you compared what ISIS as done to what the Nazis did, the Nazis are infinitely worst.

Snowfox
August 13th, 2017, 12:05 PM
No one finds this ok at all, which is why the attacker is also being investigated and charged. As for the nazi salute being banned, well it's an ideology that tore Germany and wider Europe apart with the most horrific war seen in human history so I sort of see why Germany is so desperate to eradicate any sort of symbol or resurgence of it from the public forum. Should it be banned completely? Depends on your personal view. However, please do not use this as yet another opportunity to bring up 'lick'-ing 'left wing terrorists and ISIS' because this is not the point of the forum at all. Nazism is banned FOR A REASON and just because Sweden itself was not a major player in the conflict to defeat it doesn't mean it's alright.

Sweden? Sweden has nothing to do with this.

Babs
August 13th, 2017, 07:57 PM
Its sickening me that some people find it ok to hit other people cause they act stupid. Also its sickening that nazi salute is banned by law. But hey this is so called liberal europe where its totally fine to lick deeply and passionately Left wing terrorists and ISIS but being national socialist is banned.

he knew what would happen and he did it anyway. i don't feel sorry for him.

Dalcourt
August 13th, 2017, 09:28 PM
Stupid US guy getting drunk and acting obnoxious and against the law of a country he visits...He can be lucky he was in Germany and didn't do any foolish against the law bullshit in some other country.

It's sad when people get drunk and do such stupid things when they are on vacation somewhere but I also see that here on a daily basis.

PlasmaHam
August 17th, 2017, 09:39 AM
It is a shame that the Nazi salute and familiar are banned in Germany. It has been 70 years, you can probably get over that Nazi fetish now.

mattsmith48
August 17th, 2017, 09:49 AM
It is a shame that the Nazi salute and familiar are banned in Germany. It has been 70 years, you can probably get over that Nazi fetish now.

After what happen it makes sense it is banned.

Dalcourt
August 17th, 2017, 10:35 AM
After what happen it makes sense it is banned.

You would think that and every European in their right mind would think so, too, but to the US mind it's an infringement of freedom of speech.

And I guess some things aren't easy to get over it even after 70 years when others are so hard to get over even more than 150 years after it.

I just imagine groups of fanatic Germans making WWII reenactments in full armour with swastika flags and stuff.
The world would be delighted.

Stronk Serb
August 21st, 2017, 08:58 PM
Being a national socialist, I think Hitler did bad for Europe. In his aniacal schemes he managed to castrate most of Europe so bad that every display of national pride, integrity and independen gets looked at like a Holocaust waiting to happen. Especially in Germany.

On topic, the guy provoced a violent response with his actions. Raising your right hand in salute js going to get you weird looks here, in Germany 3-5 years in jail and maybe a beating, like it happened in this case. I am all for freedom of speech a d expression, but you should also not be surprised when you suffer negative consequences for it. Like this guy. I think the beating was enough for him.

mattsmith48
August 22nd, 2017, 10:37 AM
Being a national socialist, I think Hitler did bad for Europe. In his aniacal schemes he managed to castrate most of Europe so bad that every display of national pride, integrity and independen gets looked at like a Holocaust waiting to happen. Especially in Germany.


After what happen it's kinda a normal reaction.

PlasmaHam
August 22nd, 2017, 11:17 AM
It is a shame that Hitler and to a lesser degree Mussolini essentially destroyed the idea of positive nationalism in Europe. While it is understandable for some people to be skeptical of nationalism, especially those who lived in that time, that isn't necessarily a good thing. Europeans need to get over this Nazi taboo, and instate actual free speech, not censorship hidden under the banner of "hate speech".

Dalcourt
August 22nd, 2017, 12:16 PM
It is a shame that Hitler and to a lesser degree Mussolini essentially destroyed the idea of positive nationalism in Europe. While it is understandable for some people to be skeptical of nationalism, especially those who lived in that time, that isn't necessarily a good thing. Europeans need to get over this Nazi taboo, and instate actual free speech, not censorship hidden under the banner of "hate speech".

I don't think you need a Nazi salute, a swastika or Sieg Heil chants to show you are proud of your country. So what does this relicts of old times have to do with expressing free speech and national pride?
Don't you think you could express yourself without these things in Germany?
And in most countries you can use it without trouble anyway.

Europeans have their nationalism it may look different than in the US but it's there.

I will never understand why Americans suddenly glorify those Nazi symbols anyway.I mean they were our enemies in WWII so wtf? Do you think that in a few decades people here should happily glorify ISIS flags and stuff the same way??

mattsmith48
August 22nd, 2017, 12:31 PM
I don't think you need a Nazi salute, a swastika or Sieg Heil chants to show you are proud of your country. So what does this relicts of old times have to do with expressing free speech and national pride?
Don't you think you could express yourself without these things in Germany?
And in most countries you can use it without trouble anyway.

Europeans have their nationalism it may look different than in the US but it's there.

If you need Nazi salute and swastikas to be proud of being German you have bigger problems than not being able to show your pride.

I will never understand why Americans suddenly glorify those Nazi symbols anyway.I mean they were our enemies in WWII so wtf? Do you think that in a few decades people here should happily glorify ISIS flags and stuff the same way??

I wouldn't be surprised, confederates were enemies of the US, so were the Nazis and now you got Russians, who use to be enemies running the country [Just a joke not to take seriously]. So it's not that crazy to think maybe some day it will be ISIS.

Dalcourt
August 22nd, 2017, 01:05 PM
I wouldn't be surprised, confederates were enemies of the US, so were the Nazis and now you got Russians, who use to be enemies running the country [Just a joke not to take seriously]. So it's not that crazy to think maybe some day it will be ISIS.

Yeah, my thoughts...so who knows maybe we see some alt-right waving ISIS flags and praising their gallant fighting spirit in 20 years or so...

Stronk Serb
August 22nd, 2017, 01:09 PM
After what happen it's kinda a normal reaction.

It shouldn't. Displaying genuine care and willingness to help your nation without encroaching on others should not be viewed like the mass murders of the Holocaust.