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NewLeafsFan
August 2nd, 2017, 10:49 PM
My opinion is yes base on the following reasons:

1. Discrimination against trans-gendered persons in the military
2. Illegal and unamerican travel ban
3. Connections to Russia (His son met with Russian government representatives)
4. Countless Others

tdog123
August 2nd, 2017, 10:52 PM
yes you've already explained why

Porpoise101
August 2nd, 2017, 11:00 PM
It does not matter man. He is going to be the President unless the Democrats get lucky and miraculously win all of Congress back in 2018. Or it will take a greater miracle: the Republican base that voted him somehow turning on him. In my experience on the Internet, his most emphatic supporters are willing to turn a blind eye to almost anything. On the other hand, in my conversations with people I know I also get a feeling that patience is wearing thin and that people want some sort of political victory out of the man.

DriveAlive
August 2nd, 2017, 11:02 PM
None of the reasons you listed are actually impeachable offenses. I would say no.

NewLeafsFan
August 2nd, 2017, 11:04 PM
It does not matter man. He is going to be the President unless the Democrats get lucky and miraculously win all of Congress back in 2018. Or it will take a greater miracle: the Republican base that voted him somehow turning on him. In my experience on the Internet, his most emphatic supporters are willing to turn a blind eye to almost anything. On the other hand, in my conversations with people I know I also get a feeling that patience is wearing thin and that people want some sort of political victory out of the man.

I don't think it would take a miracle for the democrats to win back congress.

Porpoise101
August 2nd, 2017, 11:11 PM
I don't think it would take a miracle for the democrats to win back congress.The Democrats (as it stands, it could rapidly change a year from now), have slim odds of getting the Senate back. Most of the seats up for election are Democrat, so Democrats will really be on the defense.

Dalcourt
August 3rd, 2017, 01:13 AM
Impeached? No the American people wanted him as their president and now they got what they wished for.

Secretly I hope he does a lot more damage to our country as he does at the moment so that even the most avid supporters get hurt to the bone by his stupid decisions. Everybody should suffer from this bad decision making a moron like him president.

Maybe it helps to learn that elections are to here for voting on a whim cuz your butthurt by some decision but that it all has huge consequences.

So as far as I'm concerned no removing him...let him destroy everything we gained to make our lives good since apparently people didn't realise how good life in the US was for everyone.

DriveAlive
August 3rd, 2017, 01:27 AM
Impeached? No the American people wanted him as their president and now they got what they wished for.

Secretly I hope he does a lot more damage to our country as he does at the moment so that even the most avid supporters get hurt to the bone by his stupid decisions. Everybody should suffer from this bad decision making a moron like him president.

Maybe it helps to learn that elections are to here for voting on a whim cuz your butthurt by some decision but that it all has huge consequences.

So as far as I'm concerned no removing him...let him destroy everything we gained to make our lives good since apparently people didn't realise how good life in the US was for everyone.

and you actually believe that Trump will destroy everything that makes life good?

Dalcourt
August 3rd, 2017, 02:44 AM
and you actually believe that Trump will destroy everything that makes life good?

No sure I don't believe that. But I feel he should.
There were so many people who just voted for him cuz they were butthurt by their current living situation under Obama or let's rather say Democrat government. They felt unfairly treated but in reality it's been not Democrats fault but natural changes.
The US was a great country but they all fell for the make America great again bullshit cuz they cling to things from the past long gone that nobody can't and won't bring back.

The are just not flexible enough to react to a changing society. Just because Grandpa worked in the mining industry it doesn't mean we can work there forever for example.

So basically I just want Trump to destroy things that were built up so that those people see that they benefited from them, too not just the lazy ones as they are so easily prepared to say.

I personally can live the same under Trump as I did under Obama. I'm not really affected much about politics here where I live. So personally I don't care about Trump at all since no government really cares about the people where I live anyway.

ShineintheDark
August 3rd, 2017, 07:21 AM
I doubt he's done anything quite yet that is actively impeachable but what I will say is that he's reaching the danger stages. With the Russia investigation in particular, things are not looking too well on his front, whether by stupid decisions that are indeed innocent or active treason (you guys can argue which) he may face perjury charges if he says the wrong thing or tries to hide something that may be incriminating. I mean, Jeff Sessions technically commited perjury in his Senate hearing and I think the only reason he really got away with it unscathed is that Americans don't really care if their Justice department is shady (ironically), they're only looking at Trump himself.

PlasmaHam
August 3rd, 2017, 09:47 AM
Nothing here is an impeachable offense. I could come up with a similar list for Obama and Clinton, there is nothing of substance here. And it seems like there is universal agreement on this front, except for the radicals of course. I am not even sure why this is even considered a debate.

mattsmith48
August 3rd, 2017, 10:39 AM
Beside crimes he committed before becoming president like the massive fraud with his fake university or Pussygate, the only thing he could be impeached for is his being mental illness.

While almost everyone he knows as meet with the Russians looks bad and some of his actions since becoming president are kinda suspicious, beside asking Russia on TV to hack Hillary Clinton's emails we still have no evidence that he is personally involved in sort of collusion.

DriveAlive
August 3rd, 2017, 10:40 AM
Beside crimes he committed before becoming president like the massive fraud with his fake university or Pussygate, the only thing he could be impeached for is his being mental illness.

While almost everyone he knows as meet with the Russians looks bad and some of his actions since becoming president are kinda suspicious, beside asking Russia on TV to hack Hillary Clinton's emails we still have no evidence that he is personally involved in sort of collusion.

Is it bad if I am not sure to which pussygate you are referring?

mattsmith48
August 3rd, 2017, 10:46 AM
Is it bad if I am not sure to which pussygate you are referring?

With everything this guy as done in the last two years it is normal to forget a few major things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_and_Billy_Bush_recording
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations

Periphery
August 3rd, 2017, 10:47 AM
My opinion is yes base on the following reasons:

1. Discrimination against trans-gendered persons in the military
2. Illegal and unamerican travel ban
3. Connections to Russia (His son met with Russian government representatives)
4. Countless Others

There was a thread about the transgender ban, I highly recommend reading that.

The travel ban was a bit too much, yes that's true but I saw it as an act of desperation rather than rational thinking. Trump knows his voters actively want to fight Islam terrorism (and we should), he had the right to make that travel ban. I don't agree with it though, but it is by no means a reason to impeach him.

Connections to Russia aren't actually illegal, I'm not sure if you're aware of that.

Also, just a question really: would you rather have Trump or Pence?

DriveAlive
August 3rd, 2017, 10:49 AM
With everything this guy as done in the last two years it is normal to forget a few major things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_and_Billy_Bush_recording
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations

I thought you might also be referring to the Russia dossier.

In all honesty, I believe the sexual assault allegations against him. When I heard the stories about how he would lure women up by telling them they were having a business dinner only to have sex with them, I completely believe it.

mattsmith48
August 3rd, 2017, 11:16 AM
Also, just a question really: would you rather have Trump or Pence?

Mike Pence

PlasmaHam
August 3rd, 2017, 11:38 AM
Mike Pence

Are we sure we are talking about the same Mike Pence?

Dalcourt
August 3rd, 2017, 11:55 AM
Nothing here is an impeachable offense. I could come up with a similar list for Obama and Clinton, there is nothing of substance here. And it seems like there is universal agreement on this front, except for the radicals of course. I am not even sure why this is even considered a debate.

Why this is a debate? Well people rise to the bait and make it one with giving the same ol speeches again and again.

Periphery
August 3rd, 2017, 11:58 AM
Mike Pence

You must be very unfamiliar with the homophic agenda of Mr. Pence then.

mattsmith48
August 3rd, 2017, 12:10 PM
Are we sure we are talking about the same Mike Pence?

Yes, while in his stupidity and incompetence, Trump might do a few good things it doesn't change the fact he is mentally unstable and an incompetent idiot.

You must be very unfamiliar with the homophic agenda of Mr. Pence then.

No I know about it, but there is nothing worst he could do that wouldn't be done if Trump stays president

Babs
August 3rd, 2017, 01:01 PM
if he's going to get impeached, it's going to be for obstruction of justice.

notice how many resignations and firings are occurring within his cabinet. something stinks and everyone is jumping ship.

Snowfox
August 3rd, 2017, 01:52 PM
Are we sure we are talking about the same Mike Pence?

Mike Pence the man of God and prophet hallelujah. Why not if you ask me

Periphery
August 3rd, 2017, 02:00 PM
Yes, while in his stupidity and incompetence, Trump might do a few good things it doesn't change the fact he is mentally unstable and an incompetent idiot.



No I know about it, but there is nothing worst he could do that wouldn't be done if Trump stays president

The problem here is, there is no reason for him to be impeached, he did nothing wrong that can get him impeached. Second of all, it's a democracy, you don't have to cry because the one you wanted to win didn't win, it's called maturity. When Pence becomes president I know for a fact there will be an impeach Pence thread here within a month, which will be sad.

mattsmith48
August 3rd, 2017, 03:59 PM
The problem here is, there is no reason for him to be impeached, he did nothing wrong that can get him impeached. Second of all, it's a democracy, you don't have to cry because the one you wanted to win didn't win, it's called maturity. When Pence becomes president I know for a fact there will be an impeach Pence thread here within a month, which will be sad.

Well like I said earlier, rightnow the only thing you could impeached him for mental illness. Beside that he's still being investigated for obstruction of justice, we'll see where that goes and maybe we'll eventually find something that connects him to Russia. If this was about who won or didn't won it would have been started a lot earlier.

As far as I know there is nothing Mike Pence could be impeached for.

Periphery
August 4th, 2017, 12:11 AM
As far as I know there is nothing Mike Pence could be impeached for.

What mental illness? Because I don't find anything to impeach Trump either honestly.

PlasmaHam
August 4th, 2017, 12:42 AM
As far as I know there is nothing Mike Pence could be impeached for.

Let's wait until 6 months into a Pence presidency, and see if you still believe that.

Honestly, this is much more of a societal issue than one of Donald Trump. Since George H.W. Bush, there has been frequent attempts and pushes against all subsequent presidents to get them impeached. Clinton over Lewinsky, Bush over the Iraq Invasion, Obama over Benghazi and IRS scandal, and now Trump over Russia. No real difference. Sure there is a new president, and sure this is a different issue than the others, but it is basically playing out just the same. I'm sure if Pence somehow gets the presidency, that something new will pop-up for Leftists to yell "IMPEACH!!" over.

mattsmith48
August 4th, 2017, 01:15 AM
What mental illness? Because I don't find anything to impeach Trump either honestly.

Narcissistic personality disorder, pathological lying, dementia? I'm not really a specialist in this domain I don't know what exactly can cause that.

Let's wait until 6 months into a Pence presidency, and see if you still believe that.

Honestly, this is much more of a societal issue than one of Donald Trump. Since George H.W. Bush, there has been frequent attempts and pushes against all subsequent presidents to get them impeached. Clinton over Lewinsky, Bush over the Iraq Invasion, Obama over Benghazi and IRS scandal, and now Trump over Russia. No real difference. Sure there is a new president, and sure this is a different issue than the others, but it is basically playing out just the same. I'm sure if Pence somehow gets the presidency, that something new will pop-up for Leftists to yell "IMPEACH!!" over.

Well Bush was justify, he's a war criminal. Also I thought Benghazi was Hillary's fault or was the ''lock her up'' thing all bullshit?

What is the worst thing that we know about Mike Pence? Probably that he is extremely vocal about his hatred of the LGBT community, which usually hides something. The Republicans tried to impeach Bill Clinton for a blow job, the left and centrists are not that crazy when it comes to sex. Even if they find Mike Pence's Grindr account i doubt they would try or even say he should be impeach for it.

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Periphery
August 4th, 2017, 01:26 AM
Narcissistic personality disorder, pathological lying, dementia? I'm not really a specialist in this domain I don't know what exactly can cause that.

Do you actually have proof he has dementia?

Flapjack
August 4th, 2017, 06:51 AM
You can't impeach a president because of his policies however I do think that his connections to Russia and trying to stop the investigation into said Russian connections could (and should) get him impeached.

PlasmaHam
August 4th, 2017, 09:17 AM
Well Bush was justify, he's a war criminal. Also I thought Benghazi was Hillary's fault or was the ''lock her up'' thing all bullshit?

Lol, you are not much of a resource when it comes to the rules of war. Maybe once you can figure out the difference between terrorism and war, then I may take you more seriously.

Also, Obama and Clinton were both shown lying about Benghazi and both attempted to cover it up. It just so happens that Clinton was more involved (as far as we know) than Obama, so she gets most of the blame nowadays.


What is the worst thing that we know about Mike Pence? Probably that he is extremely vocal about his hatred of the LGBT community, which usually hides something.
Lol, I'm sure Karen Pence is a pan-sexual trans-man too, and that Pence gets secret BJs from Bill Clinton every Tuesday.:rolleyes:

I just love your conspiracy theories, keep it up kiddo!:P

The Republicans tried to impeach Bill Clinton for a blow job
No, they impeached him on issues of perjury and obstruction of justice. Ironically similar to what y'all lefties are accusing the Trump Admin of.

Do you actually have proof he has dementia?
The guy doesn't even know the difference between war and terrorism, what do you expect in terms of trained medical knowledge? This is just another mattsmith48 conspiracy theory, treat it as such.

mattsmith48
August 4th, 2017, 10:04 AM
Do you actually have proof he has dementia?
Symptoms of dementia:
-Memory loss
-Difficulty communicating or finding words
-Difficulty reasoning or problem-solving
-Difficulty handling complex tasks
-Difficulty with planning and organizing
-Difficulty with coordination and motor functions
-Confusion and disorientation
-Personality changes
-Depression
-Anxiety
-Inappropriate behavior
-Paranoia
-Agitation
-Hallucinations

Reminding you of someone? I'm not a doctor and I don't pretend I know shit I don't know, but that looking at those symptoms it is very concerning.

Lol, you are not much of a resource when it comes to the rules of war. Maybe once you can figure out the difference between terrorism and war, then I may take you more seriously.

Well Bush purposely and illegally invaded the wrong country after 9/11 on a false pretext. Of course there is torture and what ever happened in Guantanamo. If you want to talk about terrorism I think Obama's random bombing in 7 different Muslim countries would qualify both as terrorism and impeachable, but even when done by a black democratic president, republicans love war and bombing too much to do anything.

Lol, I'm sure Karen Pence is a pan-sexual trans-man too, and that Pence gets secret BJs from Bill Clinton every Tuesday.:rolleyes:

I just love your conspiracy theories, keep it up kiddo!:P

I'm just saying the majority of the time people who openly hate on gay people often by using their religion as an excuse, do it because they hide something.

No, they impeached him on issues of perjury and obstruction of justice. Ironically similar to what y'all lefties are accusing the Trump Admin of

Obstruction of Justice? For what lying about getting a blow job?

Periphery
August 4th, 2017, 10:53 AM
Symptoms of dementia:
-Memory loss
-Difficulty communicating or finding words
-Difficulty reasoning or problem-solving
-Difficulty handling complex tasks
-Difficulty with planning and organizing
-Difficulty with coordination and motor functions
-Confusion and disorientation
-Personality changes
-Depression
-Anxiety
-Inappropriate behavior
-Paranoia
-Agitation
-Hallucinations

Reminding you of someone? I'm not a doctor and I don't pretend I know shit I don't know, but that looking at those symptoms it is very concerning.





So you don't actually know if he has a bunch of these symptoms, looking at these even I have dementia. Mental illness shouldn't be a reason to discriminate someone from being president if not severe, and if severe that would've been a problem for them to even get elected. While yes he does these things and I in no way like the guy having that position, your reasoning really isn't good here.

mattsmith48
August 4th, 2017, 11:05 AM
So you don't actually know if he has a bunch of these symptoms, looking at these even I have dementia. Mental illness shouldn't be a reason to discriminate someone from being president if not severe, and if severe that would've been a problem for them to even get elected. While yes he does these things and I in no way like the guy having that position, your reasoning really isn't good here.

Everyone who follow the news know he's doing those things, what I am saying is I don't know if it's caused by dementia or it is something else. If someone has a mental illness that would prevent them from doing their job or put his live or the live of others at risk, if is not discrimination to impeach that person for that mental illness.

Flapjack
August 4th, 2017, 11:12 AM
Everyone who follow the news know he's doing those things, what I am saying is I don't know if it's caused by dementia or it is something else. If someone has a mental illness that would prevent them from doing their job or put his live or the live of others at risk, if is not discrimination to impeach that person for that mental illness.
Dudeeeee Trump does act like a child and they have to give him lil bitesize daily briefings with loads of pictures to keep his attention so I do see why you would think that but remember how frustrating it was when they said Clinton was too ill to serve and Bernie was too old? There is more than enough to impeach Trump on without having to accuse him of having mental health issues.

I think we should focus on issues and not petty crap like that.

Periphery
August 4th, 2017, 11:26 AM
There is more than enough to impeach Trump on without having to accuse him of having mental health issues.


The problem here is he hasn't done anything that would allow for an impeachement. Unless I missed the news and he nuked all of the Middle East, which wouldn't surprise me. What would you impeach him for though?

Also mattsmith48 I also said he does those things, not sure why you're acting like I didn't admit it. With his behavior and your so called mental illness claims he isn't endangering people, his personality is. There is a difference between calling everything a mental illness and someone's personality.

mattsmith48
August 4th, 2017, 11:29 AM
Dudeeeee Trump does act like a child and they have to give him lil bitesize daily briefings with loads of pictures to keep his attention so I do see why you would think that but remember how frustrating it was when they said Clinton was too ill to serve and Bernie was too old? There is more than enough to impeach Trump on without having to accuse him of having mental health issues.

I think we should focus on issues and not petty crap like that.

No what was frustrating is bringing it up about Clinton while ignoring the problems of their candidates. Samething with Bernie, I understand the concern with is age, but the frustrating part was forgetting the fact that Hillary who is 6 years younger and Trump who is 4 years younger than Bernie both would have been the oldest president at the time of their inauguration.

As of now beside mental health what could Trump be impeach for?

Flapjack
August 4th, 2017, 11:36 AM
The problem here is he hasn't done anything that would allow for an impeachement. Unless I missed the news and he nuked all of the Middle East, which wouldn't surprise me. What would you impeach him for though?
Obstruction of justice and the possible ties to Russia. I know currently there isn't too much evidence for a connection to Russia however the special council has impanelled a grand jury for the Russia probe so I think there is more evidence the public haven't seen and a grand jury will have the power to issue subpoena to get more emails and documents and hopefully more evidence. I think it is clear now that there is something between Trump and Russia that he is hiding after he has been trying so hard to stop the investigation, has lied about facts we now know and Mr Andres is now involved, everything is pointing to something big.

As of now beside mental health what could Trump be impeach for?
Nothing now but as I said above with Bram, soon I think they will be able to impeach him because of possible connections to Russia and obstruction of justice.

PlasmaHam
August 4th, 2017, 11:43 AM
The problem here is he hasn't done anything that would allow for an impeachement. Unless I missed the news and he nuked all of the Middle East, which wouldn't surprise me.
If that happened, I think I would be praising Trump, not calling for his impeachment. :D

Nothing now but as I said above with Bram, soon I think they will be able to impeach him because of possible connections to Russia and obstruction of justice.
So basically, you admit there is nothing to impeach him on. And I wouldn't be counting on the Russian thing anytime soon. Lefties have been claiming for months now that "soon" there will be evidence of collusion. So far, there is nothing, and I wouldn't be surprised if it remained that way.

Flapjack
August 4th, 2017, 11:53 AM
So basically, you admit there is nothing to impeach him on. And I wouldn't be counting on the Russian thing anytime soon. Lefties have been claiming for months now that "soon" there will be evidence of collusion. So far, there is nothing, and I wouldn't be surprised if it remained that way.
I am not a lawyer but no currently I don't believe he can be impeached unless for obstruction of justice alone with the whole firing the FBI director that was investigating him?

I am not counting on anything, I just want the investigation to continue unobstructed and from an outsiders perspective it does seem like it is getting more serious but hey how would a guy from England know what is really going on :P

I actually really don't want there to be a connection between Trump and Russia as obviously that would be terrible and I am not sure he could be impeached if such a connection was found as so far he seems to be politically immortal. However he does seem to be slowly losing right-wing media and if they turn against him the Republicans should ditch him fast.

mattsmith48
August 4th, 2017, 12:25 PM
If that happened, I think I would be praising Trump, not calling for his impeachment. :D

Wait what? You would praise someone for killing millions of innocent people for no reason.

So basically, you admit there is nothing to impeach him on. And I wouldn't be counting on the Russian thing anytime soon. Lefties have been claiming for months now that "soon" there will be evidence of collusion. So far, there is nothing, and I wouldn't be surprised if it remained that way.

While we have no evidence of Trump being personally involved with any sort of collusion with the Russians and it is fair criticism that some people who do not agree with Trump, people from the left, centre, democrats, and sane republicans [That last one is a joke not to take it seriously.] and even some parts of the media have been too quick and at some points speculated on Trump's involvement in this whole story, you also have to look at the other side and criticize people on the right including ''media'' like Fox either denying facts like their was a hacking from Russia against the democratic side or trying to defend people we know are involved like Don Jr.

Agent X
August 13th, 2017, 11:02 PM
No. You don't have to like him, but those reasons you listed are not criminal offenses which constitute impeachment. I'd agree they can be controversial, but he does have some very valid reasoning in instating them.

mattsmith48
August 17th, 2017, 11:58 PM
Just saw this on Twitter, 40 percent of Americans now support the impeachment of Trump. That's a lot, especially when you realize that's a poll that was done before the shit storm that happen over the past few days. So it made me think can you impeach him just for being stupid and a racist asshole?

Murk.T.M
August 18th, 2017, 04:40 AM
Impeached? No the American people wanted him as their president and now they got what they wished for.

Secretly I hope he does a lot more damage to our country as he does at the moment so that even the most avid supporters get hurt to the bone by his stupid decisions. Everybody should suffer from this bad decision making a moron like him president.

Maybe it helps to learn that elections are to here for voting on a whim cuz your butthurt by some decision but that it all has huge consequences.

So as far as I'm concerned no removing him...let him destroy everything we gained to make our lives good since apparently people didn't realise how good life in the US was for everyone.

No sure I don't believe that. But I feel he should.
There were so many people who just voted for him cuz they were butthurt by their current living situation under Obama or let's rather say Democrat government. They felt unfairly treated but in reality it's been not Democrats fault but natural changes.
The US was a great country but they all fell for the make America great again bullshit cuz they cling to things from the past long gone that nobody can't and won't bring back.

The are just not flexible enough to react to a changing society. Just because Grandpa worked in the mining industry it doesn't mean we can work there forever for example.

So basically I just want Trump to destroy things that were built up so that those people see that they benefited from them, too not just the lazy ones as they are so easily prepared to say.

I personally can live the same under Trump as I did under Obama. I'm not really affected much about politics here where I live. So personally I don't care about Trump at all since no government really cares about the people where I live anyway.

Well, I like this. We'll be back to slavery, women will be back in the kitchens where they belong, and we won't even have to think about the rule of thumb yet. Ahh, nice. We'll all be back to only land owners voting, which means non emotionally motivated elections.. only intelligible ones, only Christians.... Sounds nice, a republican run country, no racism, just proper rankings.

Oh, I'm just shittin' on ya, while you are completely wrong, you almost made a semi good point- at first. Trump is a godsend, a little edgy, but necessary. Hah, just look at Obama's rein, and you think Trump is the one who should be impeached?


I know I just sit on the party, so sorry, no offense intended, only a hope to persuade you. Trump ain't gonna to bad for us, hell, no one could bring back them olden days...



it would be nice though.. Proper societal ranks, a good handful of pussy here and there..... Oh, what a wet dre-....jkjk

How do I even do a proper spoiler hide anyway.... Yo mods how close to the line am I walking anyway?

Dalcourt
August 18th, 2017, 06:30 AM
Well, I like this. We'll be back to slavery, women will be back in the kitchens where they belong, and we won't even have to think about the rule of thumb yet. Ahh, nice. We'll all be back to only land owners voting, which means non emotionally motivated elections.. only intelligible ones, only Christians.... Sounds nice, a republican run country, no racism, just proper rankings.

Oh, I'm just shittin' on ya, while you are completely wrong, you almost made a semi good point- at first. Trump is a godsend, a little edgy, but necessary. Hah, just look at Obama's rein, and you think Trump is the one who should be impeached?


I know I just sit on the party, so sorry, no offense intended, only a hope to persuade you. Trump ain't gonna to bad for us, hell, no one could bring back them olden days...



it would be nice though.. Proper societal ranks, a good handful of pussy here and there..... Oh, what a wet dre-....jkjk

How do I even do a proper spoiler hide anyway.... Yo mods how close to the line am I walking anyway?




You kinda missed my point as I said neither Obama nor Trump changes my personal live so I don't care for Trump being impeached.
And yes Trump is good for the country.The rest of the world thought Americans are nice and civilised people. Now with this guy in the lead they don't need to wear that mask anymore and everyone sees us for what most of us are obnoxious uneducated thugs like our leader and the world laughs at America the great and beautiful.
So it's really good that our nation don't has to lie or play games anymore.

In addition I want to know from you how Obama had negative effect on your life and how Trump has a positive as it was all so bad and is better now?

Murk.T.M
August 18th, 2017, 02:09 PM
You kinda missed my point as I said neither Obama nor Trump changes my personal live so I don't care for Trump being impeached.
And yes Trump is good for the country.The rest of the world thought Americans are nice and civilised people. Now with this guy in the lead they don't need to wear that mask anymore and everyone sees us for what most of us are obnoxious uneducated thugs like our leader and the world laughs at America the great and beautiful.
So it's really good that our nation don't has to lie or play games anymore.

In addition I want to know from you how Obama had negative effect on your life and how Trump has a positive as it was all so bad and is better now?

Yeah, haha I did see that in there a little, well, 8 years ago I wasn't as old as I am now, but I was old enough to know that my neighborhood was good, aaand taking a turn South... Looking at it, and living it, I watched as (who?) imported in all this low income, shitty, people, who have bass_aackward morals, as we went from a less bias, more accepting majority Republican, to slimy left bias Sheppard's in all offices, low income sheep voting for any black person running for any office, no matter how ignorant these people running were. I mean, come on, if they weren't black, they'd get shunned off the stage by one side, and laughed off by the other.
And ya know? The slimyer, and more back handed the people are, the quicker they got put in power. Where in live, the city has pretty much been divided, the rich bitches on the west side, and the skum was pushed to the east, forced in with what would be called medium middle class, enough money to lead good life's, but not enough to move. The city? (Back-handed definition: say one thing, do the opposite.) Or crime has only gotten worse 10-fold that is.

I lost track of what I was saying, Trump is a hope, this year we had a republican as police chief, he did his job amazingly, protests were
cleaner police presence on the east side went up, I actually saw it, crime was a noticably lesser, homeless people were being taken care of, he was good, then our mayor put in a (not being racist, just observatory) short back lady from Chicago. Not sure about performance, but literally with outlaw in her name, I'm pretty sure she'll just be the mayor's right hand. Really, Chicago? Why? .... I do hope she actually does her job, but it really does look like only a political move on part of the Mayer...

Whatever I'm just pissed that my city is a shit hole..

Sorry. My situation is bad, and I shouldn't be visiting political threads right now.

Obama just makes me pissed, Trump is a hope, of which some of us want. He beat the Clinton machine, let's see if he can clean the swamp.
The are true Republicans, strong Republicans, and the down right idiots who take it easy the hell out of the field that we don't want in our name, but labeling is as a whole, 'alt-right' is just ignorant, we didn't lable 'alt-left' liberals did, as well as the so called 'alt-right'.. just a stupid thing I remembered while writing this.
There's a woodpecker in my tree, I will watch it now.. goodbye.
Probably missed answering any questions you had, but I'm glad we won't have to play international games anymore... But it's funny that a ton of people think Trump is mentally ill and unstable.
(This is gonna sound really racist, but I'm not, I'm just damnit... clarifying.) I'm not racist, sorry for that, it just happens that certain many stereotype, are true of people where I am. I know nice back people, I am friends with blacks and I love them just as much as anyone else.
Thanks for letting me vent or whatever, sorry this jumblefuck of a post is too long... How do I use spoilers?...sorry

Sandra123
August 21st, 2017, 09:25 PM
My opinion is yes base on the following reasons:

1. Discrimination against trans-gendered persons in the military
2. Illegal and unamerican travel ban
3. Connections to Russia (His son met with Russian government representatives)
4. Countless Others

NO SHOULD NEVER!
All of these things are POSITIVE!:yes:

mattsmith48
August 22nd, 2017, 10:02 AM
NO SHOULD NEVER!
All of these things are POSITIVE!:yes:

Don Jr. possibly committing treason not really what I would call a positive thing.

What about what he did last week when he said they are fine people in the Neo-Nazi and KKK, is that a positive thing?

Flapjack
August 23rd, 2017, 04:44 PM
NO SHOULD NEVER!
All of these things are POSITIVE!:yes:
Explain how discrimination against trans people in the military is a good thing? Oh and to save time you should know that it would cost more to replace them than it would to fund their medical costs.

hogwartsthestral
August 29th, 2017, 03:34 PM
My opinion is yes base on the following reasons:

1. Discrimination against trans-gendered persons in the military
2. Illegal and unamerican travel ban
3. Connections to Russia (His son met with Russian government representatives)
4. Countless Others

Yes, that side of the ocean scares me...

Mrflufay
September 18th, 2017, 03:51 AM
NO SHOULD NEVER!
All of these things are POSITIVE!:yes:
How is banning the travel of people good? How is any of what he is doing good?

Stronk Serb
September 20th, 2017, 04:49 AM
I just realized that the 2016 elections are a farce. Yeah, Trump might have his way with US internal affairs, but the foreign affairs concern me. He is fucking escalaing everything, just like Hillary said she would do if she won. I am all for impeachment just to bring a more stable person as the president. Pence has experience and the calmness for it.

mattsmith48
September 20th, 2017, 07:40 AM
I just realized that the 2016 elections are a farce. Yeah, Trump might have his way with US internal affairs, but the foreign affairs concern me. He is fucking escalaing everything, just like Hillary said she would do if she won. I am all for impeachment just to bring a more stable person as the president. Pence has experience and the calmness for it.

I don't think Clinton would have brought the US on the brink of nuclear war with North Korea and threatening North Korea with a genocide, or threatening to leave the Iran deal. As for the rest of the Middle East I don't think she would have been worst than Obama, kinda hard to beat non-stop 24/7 bombing of 7 Muslims countries for 8 years. But they are still good things Trump did like the deal with Russia of a cease-fire in parts of Syria.

Stronk Serb
September 20th, 2017, 11:08 AM
I don't think Clinton would have brought the US on the brink of nuclear war with North Korea and threatening North Korea with a genocide, or threatening to leave the Iran deal. As for the rest of the Middle East I don't think she would have been worst than Obama, kinda hard to beat non-stop 24/7 bombing of 7 Muslims countries for 8 years. But they are still good things Trump did like the deal with Russia of a cease-fire in parts of Syria.

I think the situation would be as tense as it would be now. Also where he threatened genocide on North Korea?

mattsmith48
September 20th, 2017, 07:53 PM
I think the situation would be as tense as it would be now. Also where he threatened genocide on North Korea?

Yesterday during his speech at the UN threatened to destroy North Korea.

Living For Love
September 21st, 2017, 03:12 AM
Yesterday during his speech at the UN threatened to destroy North Korea.
How many times has North Korea threatened to destroy USA?

Dmaxd123
September 21st, 2017, 05:42 AM
so this is going off topic a bit:

but trump telling North Korea to get their crap together is absolutely NOT a reason for impeachment

Obama let foreign countries buzz our ships with zero recourse, if you noticed with Trump Pence and Mattis they haven't been tested/taunted by rational thinking countries, even North Korea hasn't threatened us. N Korea's biggest problem will be if one of their missiles malfunctions during a test and lands on allied soil.

Trump telling our allies and N Korea that "if" it comes to it, we will do what we have to do is no reason for impeachment (also the most the media could find to criticize him about with the Texas hurricane was his wife's shoes and his hat... he must not have been doing that bad for those few days)

Stronk Serb
September 21st, 2017, 07:29 AM
Yesterday during his speech at the UN threatened to destroy North Korea.

How many times has North Korea threatened to destroy USA?

This^^

mattsmith48
September 21st, 2017, 10:17 AM
How many times has North Korea threatened to destroy USA?

This^^

And? It would still be a genocide.


(also the most the media could find to criticize him about with the Texas hurricane was his wife's shoes and his hat... he must not have been doing that bad for those few days)

Well there is bragging about the size of the crowd in Houston and trying to make the flooding of a major city about himself. But you got to give it to him, visiting Texas and Florida after the hurricanes, his biggest accomplishment since getting into office.

Living For Love
September 21st, 2017, 10:40 AM
And? It would still be a genocide.
Sure, but I was just wondering what exactly did Trump do to bring the US on the brink of nuclear war with North Korea that Kim Jong-un hadn't done before.

mattsmith48
September 21st, 2017, 10:52 AM
Sure, but I was just wondering what exactly did Trump do to bring the US on the brink of nuclear war with North Korea that Kim Jong-un hadn't done before.

Threatening for shoot first, and he could actually hit North Korea, while it is still debated whether or not North Korea can hit the US. Plus that both are talking about destroying one another is escalating the whole thing to the brink of nuclear war.

Living For Love
September 21st, 2017, 02:03 PM
Threatening for shoot first, and he could actually hit North Korea, while it is still debated whether or not North Korea can hit the US. Plus that both are talking about destroying one another is escalating the whole thing to the brink of nuclear war.
Before Trump's speech in the UN, North Korea threatened to attack Guam, wouldn't you expect Trump to fight back for his country after that threat? Not to mention the missile they launch into Japan's territory. And not to mention the fact that Korea has been doing illegal nuclear tests way long before Trump was elected.

mattsmith48
September 21st, 2017, 03:38 PM
Before Trump's speech in the UN, North Korea threatened to attack Guam, wouldn't you expect Trump to fight back for his country after that threat? Not to mention the missile they launch into Japan's territory. And not to mention the fact that Korea has been doing illegal nuclear tests way long before Trump was elected.

There is a right way to deal with North Korea's threats. "Fire and fury like the world as never seen" is not really it.

Living For Love
September 21st, 2017, 03:55 PM
There is a right way to deal with North Korea's threats. "Fire and fury like the world as never seen" is not really it.
Oh, please sir, enlighten me about the right way to deal with North Korea, I'm so curious to hear it.

Dmaxd123
September 21st, 2017, 04:29 PM
There is a right way to deal with North Korea's threats. "Fire and fury like the world as never seen" is not really it.

telling the north koreans that they are doing bad things and need a time out isn't going to do anything

telling them "we are prepared to wipe your country off of the map" that gets people thinking

as a proud United States Citizen, I'm going to sound terrible in saying this but if push comes to shove I would rather Trump & Mattis, and our allies bomb the crap out of N. Korea vs a large ground assault. yes it would make people want to impeach him more for killing innocent people but when push comes to shove I value me(USA) and my friends (Allied nations) more than my enemies(North Korea)

Kooy
September 21st, 2017, 07:03 PM
Imma keep it short and say. I think jump out of proportion form all this...

mattsmith48
September 21st, 2017, 10:30 PM
Oh, please sir, enlighten me about the right way to deal with North Korea, I'm so curious to hear it.

Simple talk with them, we all know what Kim Jong Un wants. He just wants to not being invaded by the US and killed, like they did with so many countries in the Middle East.

telling the north koreans that they are doing bad things and need a time out isn't going to do anything

telling them "we are prepared to wipe your country off of the map" that gets people thinking

as a proud United States Citizen, I'm going to sound terrible in saying this but if push comes to shove I would rather Trump & Mattis, and our allies bomb the crap out of N. Korea vs a large ground assault. yes it would make people want to impeach him more for killing innocent people but when push comes to shove I value me(USA) and my friends (Allied nations) more than my enemies(North Korea)

Threatening them is just making everything worst and giving them a reason to continue. If Trump goes forward with what he said and does commit a mass genocide of the North Koreans, would he be impeached? Yes its worst than the war crimes Bush and Obama committed, but I don't think they would impeach him for it.

Living For Love
September 22nd, 2017, 04:19 AM
Simple talk with them, we all know what Kim Jong Un wants. He just wants to not being invaded by the US and killed, like they did with so many countries in the Middle East.
Do you really believe that? Why must international leaders negotiate with Kim Jong-un and pretend they're talking to a democrat and not with a ruthless dictator that spends millions of dollars on military equipment while their own people are starving? Why hasn't Kim Jong-un been to a UN conference and peacefully state what he wants? Why has he been carrying out illegal nuclear tests (including a hydrogen bomb) for years and threaten to kill thousands of people in Guam? All the international community wants is North Korea to stop their illegal tests and threats. They keep stating and reiterating it for years, yet North Korea doesn't want to stop. Do you realise who is the agressor here? Democracy doesn't work with Kim Jong-un, only a fool hasn't realised that by now.

mattsmith48
September 22nd, 2017, 10:18 AM
Do you really believe that? Why must international leaders negotiate with Kim Jong-un and pretend they're talking to a democrat and not with a ruthless dictator that spends millions of dollars on military equipment while their own people are starving?

Because that's only acceptable when elected leaders do it.

Why hasn't Kim Jong-un been to a UN conference and peacefully state what he wants? Why has he been carrying out illegal nuclear tests (including a hydrogen bomb) for years and threaten to kill thousands of people in Guam? All the international community wants is North Korea to stop their illegal tests and threats. They keep stating and reiterating it for years, yet North Korea doesn't want to stop. Do you realise who is the agressor here? Democracy doesn't work with Kim Jong-un, only a fool hasn't realised that by now.

He's getting nukes to protect himself because he knows if he stops and get rid of his nuclear weapons the US will invade North Korea and overthrow and killed like they did in the Middle East. The sanctions clearly didn't work and a military action would end up with millions of innocent people in South Korea and Japan getting killed. Diplomacy is the only way to deal with this situation.

Living For Love
September 22nd, 2017, 10:26 AM
Because that's only acceptable when elected leaders do it.
Sorry, not sure what you mean by this, he wasn't elected as far as I know.

He's getting nukes to protect himself because he knows if he stops and get rid of his nuclear weapons the US will invade North Korea and overthrow and killed like they did in the Middle East.
What the hell? India, Pakistan, China and France also have nukes, do you see them threatening Guam and conducting illegal experiments? NK has nukes since 2006. How likely it is that the USA will invade NK if they stop the experiments? All the world wants is them to stop, they can have the nukes, just stop the threats and the experiments and the provocations.

The sanctions clearly didn't work and a military action would end up with millions of innocent people in South Korea and Japan getting killed.
This is true, but Kim does not want diplomacy. He doesn't understand that language. All he understands is that he wants the world to be involved in a nuclear war.

mattsmith48
September 22nd, 2017, 10:54 AM
Sorry, not sure what you mean by this, he wasn't elected as far as I know.

I was talking about the US.

What the hell? India, Pakistan, China and France also have nukes, do you see them threatening Guam and conducting illegal experiments? NK has nukes since 2006. How likely it is that the USA will invade NK if they stop the experiments? All the world wants is them to stop, they can have the nukes, just stop the threats and the experiments and the provocations.

China, France and the UK got their nuclear weapons during the cold war, different context. India developed nukes to protect them self against China and Pakistan to protect them self against India. If you look at the history of the US just of the past 30 years I think there is a good chance it could happen.

This is true, but Kim does not want diplomacy. He doesn't understand that language. All he understands is that he wants the world to be involved in a nuclear war.

How would you know that?

How is this related to Trumps impeachment again?

Living For Love
September 22nd, 2017, 11:07 AM
China, France and the UK got their nuclear weapons during the cold war, different context. India developed nukes to protect them self against China and Pakistan to protect them self against India. If you look at the history of the US just of the past 30 years I think there is a good chance it could happen.
So if Trump said tomorrow "The United States will never ever invade North Korea", do you think that Kim would stop his experiments/threats?

Why hasn't China, Russia and Iran threatened to bomb Guam? Why aren't they testing hydrogen bombs or their nukes?

How would you know that?
Because he refuses to obey the international community's recommendations. He refuses to stop with his illegal experiments.

mattsmith48
September 22nd, 2017, 11:22 AM
So if Trump said tomorrow "The United States will never ever invade North Korea", do you think that Kim would stop his experiments/threats?

If you work out a deal signed by both sides I think he would.

Why hasn't China, Russia and Iran threatened to bomb Guam? Why aren't they testing hydrogen bombs or their nukes?

Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons or even the capability to hit Guam with conventional weapons. China and Russia don't have a reason to.

Because he refuses to obey the international community's recommendations. He refuses to stop with his illegal experiments.

Because he knows if he stops he's dead.

Living For Love
September 22nd, 2017, 11:29 AM
If you work out a deal signed by both sides I think he would.
No, imagine if he had said it in the U.N. speech. No deals, just saying it.


China and Russia don't have a reason to.
Why not?

Because he knows if he stops he's dead.
Do you support his tests? Do you think he should continue them indefinitely?

Please answer with yes or no.

ShineintheDark
September 22nd, 2017, 11:43 AM
No, imagine if he had said it in the U.N. speech. No deals, just saying it.

Then it would technically be worthless since any old leader could say something in the UN and then go against it. Are we just gonna forget that Bush and Blair disobeyed the UN in Iraq?


Why not?



Neither Russia nor China have any incentive to attack Guam or the US. China gets way too much money from trade deals to think about nuking such a powerful and wealthy ally whilst Russia honestly could not give less of a damn about the US, especially now. Putin's not stupid, he knows the US would never be dumb enough to launch a military attack on Moscow and so he won't attack the US either.


Do you support his tests? Do you think he should continue them indefinitely?

Please answer with yes or no.

I don't think anyone agrees with his tests. However, some do actually see his reasoning for them, mainly being that he KNOWS that Trump is much easier to piss off than Obama was or even Bush for that matter. That's how Kim's plans will work: he doesn't NEED to act because he know Trump will. Kim didn't follow through in attacking Guam (a non-mainland terrirtory) and look how quick Trump was to assure the world he was ready to nuke NK if he was given the chance.

mattsmith48
September 22nd, 2017, 12:58 PM
whilst Russia honestly could not give less of a damn about the US, especially now. Putin's not stupid, he knows the US would never be dumb enough to launch a military attack on Moscow and so he won't attack the US either.

Well not a military attack, he's can still attack the US with hackers.

ShineintheDark
September 23rd, 2017, 04:33 AM
Well not a military attack, he's can still attack the US with hackers.

Espionage and spying is part and parcel of the new world. It's how the Cold War was fought, it's how the War on Terror is being fought and it's how any other conflict between major powers in the West will continue to fight. The US hasn't been too innocent either, hacking the phones of multiple international targets outside their jurisdiction (for example, Angela Merkel back in 2015). Whilst still an act of warfare, hacking is very much prefered to the old-style physical conflicts of human hiatory up till now.

mattsmith48
September 23rd, 2017, 09:31 AM
Espionage and spying is part and parcel of the new world. It's how the Cold War was fought, it's how the War on Terror is being fought and it's how any other conflict between major powers in the West will continue to fight. The US hasn't been too innocent either, hacking the phones of multiple international targets outside their jurisdiction (for example, Angela Merkel back in 2015). Whilst still an act of warfare, hacking is very much prefered to the old-style physical conflicts of human hiatory up till now.

Well thats until they leak what they found in the intention of getting one person elected over an other.

Jinglebottom
September 24th, 2017, 05:21 AM
This thread has strayed way off topic, so I ask all of you to please discuss the relevant issues here, or else I will have to lock this.
~Jinglebottom

ShineintheDark
September 24th, 2017, 09:02 AM
Well thats until they leak what they found in the intention of getting one person elected over an other.

I am in no way a fan of Trump whatsoever but the Russians didn't exactly fabricate any of those emails nor make up any of the tyhings revbealed, the Democrats never even tried to hide that. Yes, it was a strategic hacking but it was objectively better that at least one of the candidates was revealed for who they were instead of neither, allowing both to fool the nation.

In that similar thread, I reiterate my previous point of I don't like the guy but he's yet to personally do something impeachable so for now he's safe.

mattsmith48
September 24th, 2017, 10:23 AM
I am in no way a fan of Trump whatsoever but the Russians didn't exactly fabricate any of those emails nor make up any of the tyhings revbealed, the Democrats never even tried to hide that. Yes, it was a strategic hacking but it was objectively better that at least one of the candidates was revealed for who they were instead of neither, allowing both to fool the nation.

The Democrats did some bad things and it is good that the American people know about it. But they did hack the Democrats with the purpose of getting President Pussy Grabber elected. They did the same thing in France, but forgot they were going against a guy who married his mom and the French did give shit.

In that similar thread, I reiterate my previous point of I don't like the guy but he's yet to personally do something impeachable so for now he's safe.

And I'll go to my previous point that you could get him for Mental Illness, there is also the obstruction of justice, where the biggest evidence is he admitted it on live TV.

Sword of the morning
September 24th, 2017, 12:42 PM
One impeachment only brings formal charges against a president. Two he has done nothing provable wrong. The only things he has done wrong is based on your opinions.

mattsmith48
September 24th, 2017, 01:52 PM
One impeachment only brings formal charges against a president. Two he has done nothing provable wrong. The only things he has done wrong is based on your opinions.

Mental Illness is not an opinion its serious diseases.

PlasmaHam
September 24th, 2017, 02:41 PM
Mental Illness is not an opinion its serious diseases.

"Mental Illness" is also something you probably have if you actually believe that conspiracy theory. And you can't impeach a president over a conspiracy theory.

mattsmith48
September 24th, 2017, 03:12 PM
"Mental Illness" is also something you probably have if you actually believe that conspiracy theory. And you can't impeach a president over a conspiracy theory.

Says the biggest conspiracy theorist on VT. There is clearly something wrong with Trump, I mean beside the racism and xenophobia. It could be anything from Pathological lying and narcissistic personality disorder to dementia and schizophrenia.

Sword of the morning
September 24th, 2017, 04:29 PM
Mental Illness is not an opinion its serious diseases.

I read the post after this and I don't understand. Trump has no mental illness. I have in past worked with people with conditions you have listed above and he does not show any symptoms of these conditions. You are right mental illness is not a opionin or a joke. Ronald regan had demantia one of the conditions listed above. The signs were clear Trump is just has appsoing views to you some of which I agree and disagree but that does not mean he has a mental illness. Mental illness is not a crime of which he can be impeached.

mattsmith48
September 24th, 2017, 05:48 PM
I read the post after this and I don't understand. Trump has no mental illness. I have in past worked with people with conditions you have listed above and he does not show any symptoms of these conditions. You are right mental illness is not a opionin or a joke. Ronald regan had demantia one of the conditions listed above. The signs were clear Trump is just has appsoing views to you some of which I agree and disagree but that does not mean he has a mental illness. Mental illness is not a crime of which he can be impeached.

I don't think we are talking about the same person, the Trump I'm talking about you may have eared of him he's the president of the US.

Actually he can be removed from office if it is determined he is unable to do his job, I don't think you would call it impeachment, but he would still be forced out of office and his vice-fuhrer, Emperor Palpatine would take over and be president until either the next election or whenever they find his Grindr account whatever happens first.

While it can't be confirmed until he is examined by doctors, it is pretty clear and there is a pretty good chance he is a pathological liar and as narcissistic personality disorder. As for Dementia and Schizophrenia here are the symptoms personally I think it sounds a lot like a certain president.

Symptoms of dementia:
-Memory loss
-Difficulty communicating or finding words
-Difficulty reasoning or problem-solving
-Difficulty handling complex tasks
-Difficulty with planning and organizing
-Difficulty with coordination and motor functions
-Confusion and disorientation
-Personality changes
-Depression
-Anxiety
-Inappropriate behavior
-Paranoia
-Agitation
-Hallucinations

Symptoms of Schizophrenia
-Hallucinations
-Delusions
-Disorganized speech
-Disorganized or catatonic behavior
-Negative symptoms (emotional flatness, apathy, lack of speech)

Sword of the morning
September 24th, 2017, 06:10 PM
I don't think we are talking about the same person, the Trump I'm talking about you may have eared of him he's the president of the US.

Actually he can be removed from office if it is determined he is unable to do his job, I don't think you would call it impeachment, but he would still be forced out of office and his vice-fuhrer, Emperor Palpatine would take over and be president until either the next election or whenever they find his Grindr account whatever happens first.

While it can't be confirmed until he is examined by doctors, it is pretty clear and there is a pretty good chance he is a pathological liar and as narcissistic personality disorder. As for Dementia and Schizophrenia here are the symptoms personally I think it sounds a lot like a certain president.

Symptoms of dementia:
-Memory loss
-Difficulty communicating or finding words
-Difficulty reasoning or problem-solving
-Difficulty handling complex tasks
-Difficulty with planning and organizing
-Difficulty with coordination and motor functions
-Confusion and disorientation
-Personality changes
-Depression
-Anxiety
-Inappropriate behavior
-Paranoia
-Agitation
-Hallucinations

Symptoms of Schizophrenia
-Hallucinations
-Delusions
-Disorganized speech
-Disorganized or catatonic behavior
-Negative symptoms (emotional flatness, apathy, lack of speech)

Just from my opinion and what I have seen of on tv and public speeches he has only shown a couple of the symptoms. Those symptoms like inaproprite behavior I think everyone is guilty of at one point or another. I do think your just over analyzing everything this man has done. I'm gonna presume that your not a psychologist and I'm not either so we can NOT make a quilifed opinion about this subject. But i will make the argument that he is not crazy and your just after a excuse to complain about a man who's ideas you disagree with.

mattsmith48
September 24th, 2017, 06:50 PM
Just from my opinion and what I have seen of on tv and public speeches he has only shown a couple of the symptoms. Those symptoms like inaproprite behavior I think everyone is guilty of at one point or another. I do think your just over analyzing everything this man has done. I'm gonna presume that your not a psychologist and I'm not either so we can NOT make a quilifed opinion about this subject. But i will make the argument that he is not crazy and your just after a excuse to complain about a man who's ideas you disagree with.

I am capable of criticizing someone's ideas without having to call them crazy. Trump being mentally ill doesn't excuse his bad policies and ideas.

Sword of the morning
September 24th, 2017, 06:55 PM
I am capable of criticizing someone's ideas without having to call them crazy. Trump being mentally ill doesn't excuse his bad policies and ideas.

I like that "Trump being mentally ill doesn't excuse his bad policies and ideas". Mental illness deosnt excuse bad ideas but it does give you a excuse to remove him. Its seems to be a lot calling the kettle black situation, where a excuse can work for one way and is denied if it favors the party that needs it.

mattsmith48
September 24th, 2017, 07:07 PM
I like that "Trump being mentally ill doesn't excuse his bad policies and ideas". Mental illness deosnt excuse bad ideas but it does give you a excuse to remove him. Its seems to be a lot calling the kettle black situation, where a excuse can work for one way and is denied if it favors the party that needs it.

He should be checked for mental illness and if they find something that would prevent or make him unable to do his job he should be removed from office.

Sword of the morning
September 24th, 2017, 07:28 PM
He should be checked for mental illness and if they find something that would prevent or make him unable to do his job he should be removed from office.

This is probably the best point you have made. He should be checked and I have filling that nothing will be wrong. Nothing is wrong and nothing will be wrong simple as that. It would prove a bunch of people wrong.

mattsmith48
September 24th, 2017, 11:16 PM
This is probably the best point you have made. He should be checked and I have filling that nothing will be wrong. Nothing is wrong and nothing will be wrong simple as that. It would prove a bunch of people wrong.

If they don't find anything fine, we'll just wait for the obstruction of justice charges.

I personally thing that presidential candidates should all be evaluated by a psychologist before running. It would prevent crazy people from getting their hands on nuclear weapons and avoid to have this discussion every time the US elect a mentally unstable pussy grabber.

Hardcatch
September 25th, 2017, 01:30 AM
He should be hanged for just being an idiot and dumped in the secret watery grave as Bin Laden.

Bluegrass
September 25th, 2017, 04:37 AM
Trump causes lots of controversy he's on the newspaper almost everyday with people saying he's offensive and disliked but still he has not done anything yet to deserve being impeached.I'm also not a fan of Trump but don't wish him bad.

mattsmith48
September 25th, 2017, 06:36 AM
Trump causes lots of controversy he's on the newspaper almost everyday with people saying he's offensive and disliked but still he has not done anything yet to deserve being impeached.I'm also not a fan of Trump but don't wish him bad.

Wait they're still people who read the newspaper?

Dmaxd123
September 25th, 2017, 10:58 AM
i'm just amazed that the person on VT who is the most against trump doesn't even live in the country... you should just keep your chin up and be happy lol.

as a US citizen I don't think Trump is the best person out of all of our residents for the job, but he was the best on the ballot. a few weeks ago in texas the most anyone could criticize him for was the size of a crowd in a flooded out 1/2 evacuated area and that he wore a "USA" hat that was sold on his campaign trail.

I wasn't a fan of Obama, but still gave the man a chance and will give the same respect to Trump since he is the president until the next election... God forbid he may win that one too ;-)

Sword of the morning
September 25th, 2017, 09:08 PM
If they don't find anything fine, we'll just wait for the obstruction of justice charges.

I personally thing that presidential candidates should all be evaluated by a psychologist before running. It would prevent crazy people from getting their hands on nuclear weapons and avoid to have this discussion every time the US elect a mentally unstable pussy grabber.

Presidential candidates should be screened. But what obstruction of justice charges.

mattsmith48
September 25th, 2017, 09:29 PM
Presidential candidates should be screened. But what obstruction of justice charges.

When he fired the director of the FBI James Comey and then said on live national TV he did it to make the Russia story go away.

Sword of the morning
September 25th, 2017, 11:07 PM
When he fired the director of the FBI James Comey and then said on live national TV he did it to make the Russia story go away.

The firing of James Comey I really can't defend but I'm not sold on the Russia story. I could be complete wrong but I think it's liberals trying to find a reason they lost. No one on Russian government has admited to this "crime" only internet hackers which are most likely to be trolls. No one on the Trump administration has admited to Russian connections. Trump jr did have contact with a Russian lawyer ( Not any one in the government). His father was agiant this and he did tjos wothou his fathers aproval.

mattsmith48
September 26th, 2017, 01:01 AM
The firing of James Comey I really can't defend but I'm not sold on the Russia story. I could be complete wrong but I think it's liberals trying to find a reason they lost. No one on Russian government has admited to this "crime" only internet hackers which are most likely to be trolls. No one on the Trump administration has admited to Russian connections. Trump jr did have contact with a Russian lawyer ( Not any one in the government). His father was agiant this and he did tjos wothou his fathers aproval.

Russia was behind the hackings in order to influence the election, we know they did it both in France and the US. I don't why they would admit they did it, it would be like the Vatican admitting they are protecting pedophiles. As for Trump we still have no evidence that he personally did anything illegal, yes he knows more people who meet with Russians than the World Anti-Doping Agency, yes he did some suspicious things like inviting Russians spies to the White House hours after firing Comey or his secret meeting with Putin at the G20, but there is no evidence, yet, that he was personally involved. I don't think Centrists also known as Democrats are using the whole Russia thing as an excuse, but more as a diversion from what was at least part of the problem of why people choose the mentally unstable pussy grabber over the conservative woman with a private Email server.

Sword of the morning
September 26th, 2017, 11:41 AM
Russia was behind the hackings in order to influence the election, we know they did it both in France and the US. I don't why they would admit they did it, it would be like the Vatican admitting they are protecting pedophiles. As for Trump we still have no evidence that he personally did anything illegal, yes he knows more people who meet with Russians than the World Anti-Doping Agency, yes he did some suspicious things like inviting Russians spies to the White House hours after firing Comey or his secret meeting with Putin at the G20, but there is no evidence, yet, that he was personally involved. I don't think Centrists also known as Democrats are using the whole Russia thing as an excuse, but more as a diversion from what was at least part of the problem of why people choose the mentally unstable pussy grabber over the conservative woman with a private Email server.

Your basing everything of conspiracy theroys. Meetings that's there's me evidence for and no proof. If there's no evidence for it, it deosnt existice. You are a atheist so you would be familiar with that logic. People chose Trump because he was the best candidate on the ballot not the best one in America. Hillary is a woman with a huge kill list and many horrible things under here belt. If Hillary we would be at war with Korea and China by now. You can't base beliefs and things that have no founding or fact behind them.

Hermes
September 26th, 2017, 12:15 PM
Looking in from across the pond, it seems to be that the big problem with Trump is that he does too much talking, not enough thinking and not enough listening. It seems to me, in any situation, he has to be seen to have the solution and will say whatever he thinks those assembled will want to hear regardless or whether it is either possible or sensible and also regardless of whether it stands in complete contradiction of something he has previously said.

The fact he does not remember what has previously said isn't an indicator of dementia. None of us can remember everything we have previously said but if we stick to established fact and a coherent set of beliefs and policy then what we say will tend to have a decent level of consistency. If, on the other hand, we are blowing in the wind then all bets are off.

mattsmith48
September 26th, 2017, 01:09 PM
Your basing everything of conspiracy theroys. Meetings that's there's me evidence for and no proof. If there's no evidence for it, it deosnt existice. You are a atheist so you would be familiar with that logic. People chose Trump because he was the best candidate on the ballot not the best one in America. Hillary is a woman with a huge kill list and many horrible things under here belt. If Hillary we would be at war with Korea and China by now. You can't base beliefs and things that have no founding or fact behind them.

Which meeting are you referring to?

I don't want to turn this into a Clinton vs Trump debate, I think if she was president it would be more or less of a continuation of what Obama was doing maybe with more of a right leaning approach. I don't know why she would had started a war with China. As for North Korea she wouldn't be having a dick measuring contest with Kim Jong-Un because she as enough experience that she would know how to deal with it in a diplomatic way.


The fact he does not remember what has previously said isn't an indicator of dementia. None of us can remember everything we have previously said but if we stick to established fact and a coherent set of beliefs and policy then what we say will tend to have a decent level of consistency. If, on the other hand, we are blowing in the wind then all bets are off.

He remembers it, he just doesn't want to admit he was wrong.

Drewboyy
September 26th, 2017, 06:15 PM
He remembers it, he just doesn't want to admit he was wrong.

Okay so since, according to you, he not only has the right mind to remember something but then play it off that he didn't, he obviously doesn't have the mental illness of dementia. Those are two things alone go against literally more than half your list of symptoms that he has.

Sword of the morning
September 26th, 2017, 06:51 PM
[QUOTE=mattsmith48;3575834]Which meeting are you referring to?

I don't want to turn this into a Clinton vs Trump debate, I think if she was president it would be more or less of a continuation of what Obama was doing maybe with more of a right leaning approach. I don't know why she would had started a war with China. As for North Korea she wouldn't be having a dick measuring contest with Kim Jong-Un because she as enough experience that she would know how to deal with it in a diplomatic way.

The g20 summit your were talking about in the last post. You said Trump met with putin. There's no evidence and nothing yo be gained. I'll stop with Hillary but all I have yo day I that's there's alot of money to be made with war for Hillary.

mattsmith48
September 27th, 2017, 08:11 PM
Okay so since, according to you, he not only has the right mind to remember something but then play it off that he didn't, he obviously doesn't have the mental illness of dementia. Those are two things alone go against literally more than half your list of symptoms that he has.

He's not playing it, he just can't admit he was wrong on something.