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NewLeafsFan
August 1st, 2017, 12:32 AM
Im not sure why but a lot of what is posted in the Puberty forums has nothing to do with puberty. Circumcision, family nudity, open showering, and birth control are other common topics. But for some reason whenever i post something about these topics they get sent to the archives. Are the admins only doing this to me? I cant be the only one that could complain about this.

Endeavour
August 1st, 2017, 02:32 AM
If you are ever not sure why your post was locked, it's better to private message either the moderator who locked it or a senior member of staff.

NewLeafsFan
August 1st, 2017, 02:29 PM
I was told because it's not puberty related. And frankly, I'm not curious about why. It's not right and I want this to stop.

Mars
August 1st, 2017, 02:38 PM
I was told because it's not puberty related. And frankly, I'm not curious about why. It's not right and I want this to stop.

The staff are the ones who decide what is and is not going to be allowed on the forums, especially in the puberty forums. You aren't being singled out, and you aren't the only one who's threads are and will be locked. It's very easy for things to get inappropriate and out of hand in puberty threads, which is why we do not allow off topic or non-puberty related threads to continue.

NewLeafsFan
August 1st, 2017, 02:46 PM
The staff are the ones who decide what is and is not going to be allowed on the forums, especially in the puberty forums. You aren't being singled out, and you aren't the only one who's threads are and will be locked. It's very easy for things to get inappropriate and out of hand in puberty threads, which is why we do not allow off topic or non-puberty related threads to continue.

The most recent example was about girls opinion on male circumcision. That would not have gotten "out of control." Don't defend the staff. The staff for whatever reason are abusing there power. This isn't for any type of protection or to avoid some situation.

Endeavour
August 1st, 2017, 02:49 PM
The most recent example was about girls opinion on male circumcision. That would not have gotten "out of control." Don't defend the staff. The staff for whatever reason are abusing there power. This isn't for any type of protection or to avoid some situation.

Mars is a staff member, as am I, who actually locked the thread that you're talking about. Asking girls whether they want their baby boys circumcised isn't really related to puberty/development. It doesn't have to become "out of control" for it to be locked, if it's not puberty related, or not appropriate, it gets locked straight away. Talking about this specific thread here isn't really the right place, so if you wish to continue this conversation feel free to PM me. As I have said previously, if you disagree with a moderator's decision just PM them or a senior member of staff.

NewLeafsFan
August 1st, 2017, 03:15 PM
Mars is a staff member, as am I, who actually locked the thread that you're talking about. Asking girls whether they want their baby boys circumcised isn't really related to puberty/development. It doesn't have to become "out of control" for it to be locked, if it's not puberty related, or not appropriate, it gets locked straight away. Talking about this specific thread here isn't really the right place, so if you wish to continue this conversation feel free to PM me. As I have said previously, if you disagree with a moderator's decision just PM them or a senior member of staff.

I'm guessing that you didn't bother to read this entire post. Please mark which of the following you consider to be puberty related. All of the following are very common topics in the puberty forums.

[ ] Open showering
[ ] Circumcision
[ ] Family Nudity
[ ] Jerk Circles
[ ] Tan lines (there's one about that right now)
[ ] "Experimenting"
[ ] Colour of penis or nipples

If even one staff member responds I will be shocked

Endeavour
August 1st, 2017, 03:27 PM
I'm guessing that you didn't bother to read this entire post. Please mark which of the following you consider to be puberty related. All of the following are very common topics in the puberty forums.

[ ] Open showering
[ ] Circumcision
[ ] Family Nudity
[ ] Jerk Circles
[ ] Tan lines (there's one about that right now)
[ ] "Experimenting"
[ ] Colour of penis or nipples

If even one staff member responds I will be shocked

Giving me a list of topics isn't the best way to solve this - something can be considered under one category, but depending on how far they go into it depends on whether or not it is appropriate.

As an example, let's say if someone asks "is it normal to experiment" or something similar that's fine, but if they go into "how do i get my friend to experiment with me" isn't appropriate.

Again, circumcision - if someone is deciding on the pros/cons of being circumcised, that's fine, but starting to ask girl's opinions on it, or asking about future babies isn't really development related.

The majority of what you've mentioned (showering, nudity, circle jerks, experimenting) could, depending on the way the thread goes or the original poster asks their question, could lead to storytelling which again isn't appropriate.

If you see something in the puberty forums, or indeed anywhere on the site, we really appreciate that you report it rather than posting like this. There's only so many moderators, and lots more people and lots more posts to go through and occasionally we do miss some things - so we really appreciate your help.

Babs
August 1st, 2017, 07:53 PM
The staff for whatever reason are abusing there power.

don't be a whiner. so your post got archived, get over it. don't blame the mods, maybe your posts are creepy. if your need to know the opinions of 13-year-old girls on mutilated dongles is that dire, there are other forums for teens that are much more tolerant of creepy posts.

NewLeafsFan
August 1st, 2017, 08:39 PM
don't be a whiner. so your post got archived, get over it. don't blame the mods, maybe your posts are creepy. if your need to know the opinions of 13-year-old girls on mutilated dongles is that dire, there are other forums for teens that are much more tolerant of creepy posts.

My posts are not, have not and never will be creepy. You want to talk abuse of power. Just because you're probably a staff member you have likely gotten away with implying that I'm some kind of pervert. And I'm very offended.

Giving me a list of topics isn't the best way to solve this - something can be considered under one category, but depending on how far they go into it depends on whether or not it is appropriate.

As an example, let's say if someone asks "is it normal to experiment" or something similar that's fine, but if they go into "how do i get my friend to experiment with me" isn't appropriate.

Again, circumcision - if someone is deciding on the pros/cons of being circumcised, that's fine, but starting to ask girl's opinions on it, or asking about future babies isn't really development related.

The majority of what you've mentioned (showering, nudity, circle jerks, experimenting) could, depending on the way the thread goes or the original poster asks their question, could lead to storytelling which again isn't appropriate.

If you see something in the puberty forums, or indeed anywhere on the site, we really appreciate that you report it rather than posting like this. There's only so many moderators, and lots more people and lots more posts to go through and occasionally we do miss some things - so we really appreciate your help.

While I appreciate that you are taking the time and effort to explain your thinking I still fail to understand the connection between your example of a situation that could encourage pornographic story telling to something slightly on topic.

My complain, which still hasn't been explained to me, is that there is stuff far more off topic and of a very similar nature that never gets questioned. I'm willing to bet that 90% of circumcision questions are not puberty related. I'm not talking about the odd thing that is missed. My point is that if you took out all of the questions unrelated to puberty there would be less than half of the posts.

Posts merged. Next time, please use the "Edit" or "Multi" button. ~Elysium

PlasmaHam
August 1st, 2017, 08:58 PM
I have yet to see any reason why circle jerks, nudist life-styles, cumshot distance, orgasm records, sexual-voyeurism, masturbation techniques, and other vulgar topics are allowed to exist. Here is an excerpt from the P101 rules thread:
This is supposed to be educational and informative, not over sexualized and perverted. With that in mind, try to only post things that are relevant to puberty - stuff you might’ve wanted to ask in a sex ed class at school, but never got the chance to.
So, according to your own rules, P101 is a place for educational and informative discussion, not a place to discuss perverted and overly-sexualized materials. Why then, are threads talking about wanting to compare penis' with your friends and having group masturbation sessions not seen as perverted and immediately deleted? Can you tell me any educational value that comes from such discussions?

How about threads detailing how many orgasms you can have in a day, or how far you can shot cum? Mind telling the "educational and informative" value of that, and mind telling me how such discussion is not "perverted and over-sexualized"?

To be honest, the staff aren't abusing power here, they are simply being lax in their responsibilities. There have been many threads in the last couple months protesting this mediocre management of P101. I would imagine by now the staff would have realized that there is a real issue here, but I guess not. We'll keep this up though, until something changes.

Just JT
August 1st, 2017, 09:30 PM
I heard somewhere VT is looking for mods. Why don't you apply for a mod position, and try and make the changes you feel are important to you instead of making it an issue here like this?

PlasmaHam
August 1st, 2017, 09:31 PM
I heard somewhere VT is looking for mods. Why don't you apply for a mod position, and try and make the changes you feel are important to you instead of making it an issue here like this?

I did apply.

But unless my application is ever accepted, this is how I can do the most good.

Just JT
August 1st, 2017, 09:39 PM
I did apply.

But unless my application is ever accepted, this is how I can do the most good.

It wasn't necessarily directed at you personally

But I'll say I do see why some stuff is locked for the reasons mentioned. There are also some that are really redundant, and IMO just pane not needed. But that's me.

Seems like yeah there has been a lot more complaining about p101 recently to. And as I e done and suggested cause it's a place that really bothers some people is just block that section. That way you won't be exposed to what's bothering you.

Seems pretty straight forward to me anyways. Making a thread and complaint about shit that's not going to change idk will do any good, especially being so public about it.

Babs
August 1st, 2017, 10:02 PM
My posts are not, have not and never will be creepy. You want to talk abuse of power. Just because you're probably a staff member you have likely gotten away with implying that I'm some kind of pervert. And I'm very offended.

not a staff member, lol. in the 4 years i've been a member of this god-forsaken website, it's been very clear that the mods just want to do a good job. this isn't guantanamo, there isn't much "power" to be abused, it's just a stupid website that happens to be a pedo magnet.

if you don't wanna get offended, then don't say stupid shit. thinking that people's reactions to what you say are innately wrong, and claiming that they're just a bunch of big ol meanies who are nefariously sabotaging your poll on circumcision just because they can, is stupid. although i do agree that they have a funny way of picking their battles in p101, it's not malicious at all.

PlasmaHam
August 1st, 2017, 10:08 PM
Seems like yeah there has been a lot more complaining about p101 recently to. And as I e done and suggested cause it's a place that really bothers some people is just block that section. That way you won't be exposed to what's bothering you.

I do. However, you can't just ignore a problem and expect it to go away. These type of threads are just asking for perverts and pedophiles, and I want to prevent such, even if it doesn't affect me.

Seems pretty straight forward to me anyways. Making a thread and complaint about shit that's not going to change idk will do any good, especially being so public about it.
I know I've already shot myself in the foot about this, I doubt my application will ever be accepted. Not implying anything here, but that is basically what they said about the civil rights protests of the 60's. How well did that work out for them?

Just JT
August 2nd, 2017, 06:32 AM
I do. However, you can't just ignore a problem and expect it to go away. These type of threads are just asking for perverts and pedophiles, and I want to prevent such, even if it doesn't affect me.

I know I've already shot myself in the foot about this, I doubt my application will ever be accepted. Not implying anything here, but that is basically what they said about the civil rights protests of the 60's. How well did that work out for them?

I'm not saying it'll go away by ignoring it. That doesn't work. But as members were limited about what we can do. If you see stuff you thinks inappropriate or boarderline, we're supposed to report it. Mods will address it. I personally know that works. Or at least most of the lime it does. The times it seems it doesn't I need to trust that there's good reason that I'm not privileged to know the reasons cause I'm not on staff. But I'll assume still good reasons.

To be fair to staff I don't think their jobs as easy as some may think. Yeah some stuff may seem obvious to me and you sometimes. But the reality is there's stuff that's said and done we'll never know about for privacy reasons. Thatsjust the way it it.

You can block forums and members. So if you do, you'll never see the posts and they don't contact you.

Endeavour
August 2nd, 2017, 11:32 AM
My complain, which still hasn't been explained to me, is that there is stuff far more off topic and of a very similar nature that never gets questioned. I'm willing to bet that 90% of circumcision questions are not puberty related. I'm not talking about the odd thing that is missed. My point is that if you took out all of the questions unrelated to puberty there would be less than half of the posts.

Posts merged. Next time, please use the "Edit" or "Multi" button. ~Elysium

I'm pretty sure I've said this already. If you see something that you don't think is right, please report it. We do try our best to keep the puberty sections relatively clean. Those forums are what bring the most traffic to our site and so putting even harsher restrictions than what we have already will just draw the genuine people away.

I have yet to see any reason why circle jerks, nudist life-styles, cumshot distance, orgasm records, sexual-voyeurism, masturbation techniques, and other vulgar topics are allowed to exist. Here is an excerpt from the P101 rules thread:

So, according to your own rules, P101 is a place for educational and informative discussion, not a place to discuss perverted and overly-sexualized materials. Why then, are threads talking about wanting to compare penis' with your friends and having group masturbation sessions not seen as perverted and immediately deleted? Can you tell me any educational value that comes from such discussions?

How about threads detailing how many orgasms you can have in a day, or how far you can shot cum? Mind telling the "educational and informative" value of that, and mind telling me how such discussion is not "perverted and over-sexualized"?

To be honest, the staff aren't abusing power here, they are simply being lax in their responsibilities. There have been many threads in the last couple months protesting this mediocre management of P101. I would imagine by now the staff would have realized that there is a real issue here, but I guess not. We'll keep this up though, until something changes.

Firstly, several of what you've mentioned, such as sexual storytelling, techniques, asking how to compare with your friends etc. are locked anyway. The borderline between appropriate and inappropriate can be very vague and unclear sometimes so what some people think is appropriate, others may not. After all, what happens most in the puberty forums is about whether people think they are "normal" and want to get questions off their minds.

Just to add, there are some things that we do delete, instead of lock, when they are wildly inappropriate.

PlasmaHam
August 2nd, 2017, 12:07 PM
Firstly, several of what you've mentioned, such as sexual storytelling, techniques, asking how to compare with your friends etc. are locked anyway.

asking how to compare with your friends etc.
http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2036622
techniques and sexual storytelling
http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2036798
http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2037439
http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2038780

The borderline between appropriate and inappropriate can be very vague and unclear sometimes so what some people think is appropriate, others may not. After all, what happens most in the puberty forums is about whether people think they are "normal" and want to get questions off their minds.
You ignored my question. The P101 rules clearly state that P101 is for "Educational and informative" discussion, not talking about whether or not jacking off near a picture of a goat is "normal." Defined by your own rules, it is a place to ask questions you may of had in sex-ed class, but didn't get the chance to. Tell me how group masturbation falls under "sex-ed"? I have yet to see any reason why the examples I've posted are of any "educational and informative" benefit, and why they shouldn't be deleted under the "perverted and overly-sexualized" statement define in your rules.

Endeavour
August 2nd, 2017, 12:18 PM
http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2036622

That's not asking how to get their friend to compare, just whether it is normal which is fine.

http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2036798
http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2037439
http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2038780
None of those are overly specific - yeah if they started asking for storytelling about what happened when they experimented or whatever, but just asking who they did it with and nothing else isn't rulebreaking. I don't think that any of those linked that you posted are "overly-sexualised" or explicit.


You ignored my question. The P101 rules clearly state that P101 is for "Educational and informative" discussion, not talking about whether or not jacking off near a picture of a goat is "normal." I have yet to see any reason why the examples I've posted are of any "educational and informative" benefit, and why they shouldn't be deleted under the "perverted and overly-sexualized" statement define in your rules.

Let's take this extract from the P101 rules (this is referring to boys):
Questions regarding things such as circumcision, penis size, underwear, masturbation, body hair, growth, experimenting/sex, etc.
As long as they don't get overly specific or sexualised, it's fine.

As I've said previously, whilst yes our primary job is to lock these threads ourselves, but if we don't catch something, and the general users don't report it, these threads will keep on getting worse and nothing will get better.

Dalcourt
August 2nd, 2017, 10:34 PM
I honestly don't understand where this thread is going to.

The OP poster complained about staff being too strict with locking/ deleting his posts and wants an explanation for it.

Now suddenly staff has to defend themselves for being to lax in the puberty section??

So my two cents on this always reappearinget topic:

I am not really bothered by the puberty section so I haven't blocked it and never would.
Most is just rather immature and funny to read. I would not answer any of those questions. It's not that I'm a prude who doesn't talk about such topics but just not here on the net. I used to talk similar stuff with guys from school or so. Or I asked my Dad when I had a real question.

Sometimes it's hard to say what is appropriate and what not according to the forum rules. It greatly depends on personal feelings. Lots of things get locked that I feel are rather harmless.

After all it is just talking nothing more.
Sure there are perverts here that post stuff to make kids answer and get off on it. But honestly I don't really see them only in the puberty section. There are so many threads everything feels okay with in the family section about punishment that always come to people asking detailed questions about how people are spanked....really sounds like pedos with a spanking fetish to me but seems okay to everyone since it hardly ever gets locked but once someone says "penis"people freak out.

We still can't forget that there are lots of kids out there who really have nobody to talk to about sexual things or simply are too shy.

Always punishing by locking/deleting stuff givesome the impression that sexual things are somehow wrong and forbidden. Sexual interests are unnecessary demonized, a dangerous thing that in the end results into teens feeling like perverts or something is wrong with their sexuality.

Sometimes instead of simply locking threads it would help to just change the wording a bit, since when it comes to sex seem stuff might sound inappropriate but it's still legitimate things to ask. And trolls and pervs are always easily to spot ...once you start reading through those things and get a feeling for it.

kryptonite
August 5th, 2017, 10:30 AM
Oddly enough, I have noticed that sometimes, a post will get moved to the archives while very similar posts are allowed to stay. Sometimes, I wonder if the mods operate on the same policies or if there's leeway for interpretation.

With that said, some stuff that gets locked could be suitable for another forum.

Melodic
August 5th, 2017, 02:27 PM
As I've said previously, whilst yes our primary job is to lock these threads ourselves, but if we don't catch something, and the general users don't report it, these threads will keep on getting worse and nothing will get better.


Wait since when has it been the members responsibility to watch & make sure everyone is behaving on the P101 or the site in general? Yes, It's helpful when they do report but I feel it's not something you should expect or force them to do. And honestly, I feel they shouldn't be told the site will keep getting worse if they don't voluntarily report for you guys.

Also. I understand you only have 2 members on Help & Advice so you both can't see all the posts because we all have personal lives outside of VT. In that case, I feel the admins should try to recruit 1 or 2 more moderators for that section. That's what needs to happen.

Just JT
August 5th, 2017, 05:42 PM
Wait since when has it been the members responsibility to watch & make sure everyone is behaving on the P101 or the site in general? Yes, It's helpful when they do report but I feel it's not something you should expect or force them to do. And honestly, I feel they shouldn't be told the site will keep getting worse if they don't voluntarily report for you guys.

Also. I understand you only have 2 members on Help & Advice so you both can't see all the posts because we all have personal lives outside of VT. In that case, I feel the admins should try to recruit 1 or 2 more moderators for that section. That's what needs to happen.

I don't think the intent was to push responsibility to the regular members or blame them or something. Maybe I'm Speaking out of turn, but I think we as members should report stuff we feel is out of line. That's why there's that little triangle in the bottom left. Mods can't be everywhere

And I think they've been trying to get some. But not sure.

DerBear
August 5th, 2017, 06:07 PM
Oddly enough, I have noticed that sometimes, a post will get moved to the archives while very similar posts are allowed to stay. Sometimes, I wonder if the mods operate on the same policies or if there's leeway for interpretation.

With that said, some stuff that gets locked could be suitable for another forum.

Speaking as a former Help and Advice mod I can say that moderating puberty 101 is difficult. The general key is consistency when moderating that particular area. Staff have guidelines as well as the general puberty 101 rules to use a guideline when moderating. However there is room for interpretation of what is considered against the rules.

This is known as the 'gray area'.

The gray area is where something might be allowed or is borderline off topic. Now this is where it gets more tricky. Personally I took the approach to stomp down on content that was in the gray area or borderline. Why? Well.....P101 is messy at the best of times and allowing a lot of borderline topics meant it looked even worse.

So that's why some mods will leave topics and others will be more strict. Because there does exist a gray area.

Wait since when has it been the members responsibility to watch & make sure everyone is behaving on the P101 or the site in general? Yes, It's helpful when they do report but I feel it's not something you should expect or force them to do. And honestly, I feel they shouldn't be told the site will keep getting worse if they don't voluntarily report for you guys.

Also. I understand you only have 2 members on Help & Advice so you both can't see all the posts because we all have personal lives outside of VT. In that case, I feel the admins should try to recruit 1 or 2 more moderators for that section. That's what needs to happen.

I don't think that's what he was implying exactly. I believe he was saying that many members will read the content and not report it. Nowhere in the rules does it state that member has to report content they believe inappropriate. However it does help and is mentioned many times in the site rules:

It is at the discretion of a moderator as to what may constitute as explicit content. If you are unsure about posting something or you see content that you believe should be removed, contact a moderator directly or report the post(s) in question.


What I will say is that if you see content that you believe is inappropriate and chose not report the content then you can't complain that the area is messy. I mean if you regularly go in and see content that you think violates the rules and fail to report it, you can't in turn complain.

Now it is a moderators job to keep the section clean and obviously they're not only to rely on reported content. All mods should be actively cleansing their sections. To give insight into what I used to do when logging on as a moderator is as follows:


Check Reported Content - Generally if anything major was going down like a cam thread or solicitation thread then those get reported quickly
Clear and approve any moderated content e.g. visitor messages
Check area - usually started with P101 as that's where most stuff went down
Reply to any PMs or VMs I got
General site posting


Sometimes if I was only coming on for like 30 mins I'd do reports and section checks only and leave any PMs or VMs until I had more time.

I think it comes down to checking your section and not actively relying on reports from members but then again mods can't be everywhere so the staff do ask for help in keeping the site clean.

I do believe Admins have recently done a recruitment drive and will be sifting through the applications and discussing them so more staff might be hired. The lack of staff will be a contributing factor, back in my day on VT we usually always had 3 mods but in some cases 4 or even 5 H&A mods depending on the situation.

I also think it comes down to passion as well. Some people like modding but don't have a passion for it or the time for it. I had both back then until towards the end and that really helps because you were always motivated to help. Even now I moderate some other forums and I love doing that because it's a great way to engage with the community while keeping it tidy, in order and clean.

Anyway I hope my ramblings have given you an insight.

Just JT
August 5th, 2017, 06:21 PM
Well said DerBear

Melodic
August 5th, 2017, 06:25 PM
I don't think the intent was to push responsibility to the regular members or blame them or something. Maybe I'm Speaking out of turn, but I think we as members should report stuff we feel is out of line. That's why there's that little triangle in the bottom left. Mods can't be everywhere

And I think they've been trying to get some. But not sure.


I don't think that's what he was implying exactly. I believe he was saying that many members will read the content and not report it. Nowhere in the rules does it state that member has to report content they believe inappropriate. However it does help and is mentioned many times in the site rules:


Oh, okay. I have a tendency to read too much into things. It's especially harder for me when things are said online. Thank you two for clearing that one up for me!

Endeavour, I apologize. You are just looking out for us members and I appreciate it.