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PlasmaHam
June 22nd, 2017, 08:47 PM
http://www.businessinsider.com/tim-farnum-colorado-smartphone-sales-ban-children-paus-2017-6/
According to a report in The Washington Post, Denver-area anesthesiologist Tim Farnum has created a non-profit called Parents Against Underage Smartphones (PAUS), which has drafted a (Colorado) ballot initiative (no. 29) that would make it illegal for retailers to sell smartphones to children under the age of 13, "or to any person who indicates that the smartphone will be wholly or partially owned by a person under the age of 13."

...According to the ballot initiative, should a retailer violate the proposed law and sell a smartphone to a child under the age of 13, they would first receive a written warning, and then be hit with a $500 fine for their second transgression. The fine would then double for each subsequent violation.

Not major news, but interesting nonetheless. What do you think of this idea, especially since most of you are still young teenagers?

Me personally, while I agree with the guy's sentiment here, it is not the government's job to institute how you raise your children and what you gift them.

Elysium
June 22nd, 2017, 09:02 PM
I agree with you, Plasma. It makes me cringe internally to see young kids using smartphones, but it really doesn't affect me in any way, so what should I care? It's the parents' and/or guardians' responsibility to monitor the kid and how they're using it, so really it's their problem, not mine.

Amethyst Rose
June 22nd, 2017, 09:43 PM
I agree with the above posters (as monotonous as it may sound :P). I think it's unhealthy for a child under the age of 13 to have a smartphone - the younger you are, the more impressionable you are, and at that age kids won't realize that too much dependence on technology is a bad thing. However, I think it's best to leave the decision up to parents. The child is theirs to raise, after all.

mattsmith48
June 22nd, 2017, 10:27 PM
Good, a 13 year old shouldn't have a smartphone, especially Samsung those are dangerous.

it is not the government's job to institute how you raise your children

Just remind me, who makes the laws that said you can't beat your children?

PlasmaHam
June 22nd, 2017, 10:39 PM
Just remind me, who makes the laws that said you can't beat your children?Remind me why I support anti-corporal punishment laws?

mattsmith48
June 22nd, 2017, 10:43 PM
Remind me why I would support anti-corporal punishment laws?

Tell me. Your the one who said you don't want the government to tell people how to raise their kids.

PlasmaHam
June 22nd, 2017, 10:44 PM
Tell me. Your the one who said you don't want the government to tell people how to raise their kids.

Tell me why your comparison is relevant to me?

mattsmith48
June 22nd, 2017, 10:58 PM
Tell me why your comparison is relevant to me?

Because you are the one who said you don't want the government to tell people how to raise their kids. Don't buy them a smartphone or don't hit them in both case the government tells people how to raise their kids.

PlasmaHam
June 22nd, 2017, 11:01 PM
Because you are the one who said you don't want the government to tell people how to raise their kids.
Yes, yes I did.

So???

mattsmith48
June 22nd, 2017, 11:19 PM
Yes, yes I did.

So???

So if you are against an age for when you can buy a smartphone to your kids because you don't want the government to tell people how to raise their kids, shouldn't you also be against the government making laws prohibiting parents from hitting their children?

Babs
June 22nd, 2017, 11:32 PM
Just remind me, who makes the laws that said you can't beat your children?

battery is a crime no matter who you're beating, smart phones are not. this is the dumbest fuckin shit i've read all day.

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I agree that parents should be left to raise their children as they see fit, although they should take measures to ensure that the kid is being responsible when using it.

But to take things a step further I would argue that smart phones are essential in this era. Smart phones are a million tools in one. If you have a smart phone, you can dial 911, you'll never get lost because you have a map and a compass, you can learn everything there is to learn thanks to wikipedia and educational apps, you can capture all your precious moments in a photo, you can take notes, reminders, always know what time it is and you have an alarm clock, and so much more, all in one pocket-sized device.

ShineintheDark
June 23rd, 2017, 07:20 AM
I don'y agree with an outright ban but I would encourage parents to try and reduce their child's smartphone usage since it can indeed be very damaging for them

PlasmaHam
June 23rd, 2017, 08:59 AM
So if you are against an age for when you can buy a smartphone to your kids because you don't want the government to tell people how to raise their kids, shouldn't you also be against the government making laws prohibiting parents from hitting their children?
I am

nebula
June 23rd, 2017, 09:42 AM
It just makes me cringe when I see some of the 11-12 year old in my school with better phones than me so I can see where they're coming from.

It's pretty interesting that this law has been put in place, though.

CaptRafiki
June 23rd, 2017, 12:40 PM
I got my first smartphone around the age 13, but any younger than that I really don't think it's necessary, except in special circumstances (divorced parents and the kid needs to be able to communicate quickly, etc.)


Me personally, while I agree with the guy's sentiment here, it is not the government's job to institute how you raise your children and what you gift them.

I'd normally agree with you, but with regards to this specific measure, I believe it's a proposition that the citizens of the area would vote on, yes? (As opposed to one enacted purely by state or municipal legislature.) That would mean that it's the people truly governing themselves and what's in their best interest, so in my opinion that's more excusable than if the bill were voted on by elected officials alone.

Plane And Simple
June 23rd, 2017, 12:56 PM
Every time I talk to someone I don't personally know I realise they cannot look people in the eyes when talking. I blame it on Smartphones, making us less personal and making people close in on their "social" life inside their pocket PCs instead of what you have right before your eyes (that is if you bother to lift your eyesight up a little). I despise "hanging out" with people who then proceed to, as soon as there is silence, take their phones out and simply forget (and disrespect may I say) the people they got in front of them.

The sooner you let a chap get their hands on a smartphone, the more dependent they become. I am really against children under 13-14 having one, as they don't relate the phone with said dependency and just acquire it.

I feel we need to be social. Help each other out, care about each other, and that needs to be done face to face. I'm tired of settling arguments that started because a Whatsapp message was misunderstood or because you were online and you haven't replied to me. What will happen in 20 years when kids aged 5 get a smartphone for Christmas, I don't know, but I'm really worried about the social future of every developed country's nation. Reaaaally worried.

This is a measure that shouldn't be taken and it may even be seen as intrusive - because it is. but desperate situations need desperate measures. If you don't know how to properly educate and raise your kids and as soon as the guy starts crying you give him the smartphone to play with, aged 2, I'm sorry but your parenting is through the roof. Embrace the situation and fix it yourself, because the easy way out was never the proper way out of any problem. If you don't know how to raise a kid, then someone who knows will have to do it for you.

Rant over, I approve

Endeavour
June 23rd, 2017, 01:19 PM
I really don't think young kids (as in before teen years) should be getting smartphones. There's no point. When I first started high school most people had iPhones but I had the most basic of basic of Nokias - why? Because I only needed it in case of an emergency. As for creating a law against it, I don't support it, if parents want to give their kids a smartphone, so be it, but I don't really approve.

Just JT
June 23rd, 2017, 08:10 PM
battery is a crime no matter who you're beating, smart phones are not. this is the dumbest fuckin shit i've read all day.

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I agree that parents should be left to raise their children as they see fit, although they should take measures to ensure that the kid is being responsible when using it.

But to take things a step further I would argue that smart phones are essential in this era. Smart phones are a million tools in one. If you have a smart phone, you can dial 911, you'll never get lost because you have a map and a compass, you can learn everything there is to learn thanks to wikipedia and educational apps, you can capture all your precious moments in a photo, you can take notes, reminders, always know what time it is and you have an alarm clock, and so much more, all in one pocket-sized device.

Said so well, stupid is as stupid does. Seems to me the parents are becommg the government. If parents are that worried about their kids on a smart phone, then they can set it up so some aspects can't be used, and monitor their use and history. It's a privileg to have a smart phone imo. Parents just need to do their job. What's next? The govt telling us what color underwear we need to wear to school?
My lil bro, 12, he's got an iPhone, and he, along with me at 16 we're both monitored on it. Think it's called a parents responsibility. Not governments

PlasmaHam
June 23rd, 2017, 09:31 PM
I did not expect near unanimous agreement that smartphones are not great for children, but shouldn't be ban by government. Interesting given the diversity of thought here, we can nearly all agree of something.

Ragle
June 23rd, 2017, 10:27 PM
I'm 14, almost 15, and currently refused to use a smartphone.

The story is simple: My younger sis made my parents to buy her a smartphone, which is why my parents bought me one too. Because of balancing justice, or for what ever reason.

Now my parents complain that they never reach me, cause my smartphone is almost permanently offline.

I always found it strange that people are so dependent on such small devices ... or even my peers when they talk about their newest apps ... as if those progs are the greatest revelation for humans.


Anyway, I think that PAUS thing of this Mr. Farnum is such a ridiculous project. He's just an idiot.

If parents are stupid enough to allow their younger kids having smartphones, they are the ones to blame when their 10-year-old son is sitting in a corner watching the latest porns on his 11th b-day.

mattsmith48
June 24th, 2017, 02:23 PM
Its just a minimum age to protect children, its not different than setting a minimum age for driving, drinking, gambling, working, voting or sex.

Uniquemind
June 25th, 2017, 02:18 AM
I'm against such a ban the way it is written or in-theory enforced.

Like how is a retailer supposed to know what happens to their product after the adult buys it? Why are they responsible for a product that is not a weapon, post-purchase?

There are legitimate reasons for anybody past age 10 to have access to a cellphone of some sort.

I would compromise and have retailers require a parental settings course/class for parents who intend to buy a smartphone for kids and to educate parents about the dangers of their children using smartphones and various apps.

But the original idea is counterproductive and costly to business.

Matryoshkasystem
June 29th, 2017, 10:05 PM
I am mixed, I do think little kids don't have a reason, and I also think that it is a get out of jail free card for most parents-since it can makes people focus only on it-. Though I find the idea a bit disturbing in certain components. There is no way to actually know who is using it, so to me can talk the talk but not walk the walk but not walk the walk.

Sere
June 30th, 2017, 09:42 PM
(FYI I have not read many replies and so my post may seem repetitive...)

While in some respects this law is ok and nice but flip that around and you see the horrid possibilities that come with this law. At one end I dont want to see a toddler running around with a phone that his/her parents bought for some reason I think that children should be able to own them. Say a child lives in a home with no landline or needs help and to call the police yet cant reach another phone. This law would make it so that they could not call 911 or their parents in needed situations. Another example being that a child has parents who work and he/her needs to contact them in a text or call. A text would not be possible to be made on a landline and a corded landline (even rthough rtheyre pretty rare now) would be an issue in an emergency situation.

And then in the quote it say that a phone cannot be partially owned by someone under 13.... So what if you sawe a child on a train playing a game on their parent's phone? is that parent breaking the law for letting their child use it? Is the seller breaking the law? What if it was bought online? Ugh so many problems with this proposal for a law.

( I think I may have just went on a rant... do you think so?)

Flapjack
July 1st, 2017, 07:54 AM
I got my first phone when I was 11 and it did me no harm! My only concern is the child's safety and so as long as the parents are aware of the child's use of the phone I really don't see the harm tbh! I think at what age a child gets a smartphone should be up to the parents.

As for people saying there is no point in children having smartphones, I disagree, they allow children to listen to music and watch videos anywhere as well as keeping in contact with friends and with how many kids have smartphones I fear they may be at a social disadvantage if they don't too.