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bentheplayer
March 19th, 2017, 04:52 AM
Found these articles. Thoughts?
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/millennial-media/201304/do-racism-conservatism-and-low-iq-go-hand-in-hand
http://www.livescience.com/18132-intelligence-social-conservatism-racism.html


Apparently, poor abstract reasoning skills were related to homophobic attitudes which was mediated through authoritarianism and low levels of intergroup contact. Maybe that is why some people have difficultly understanding LGBTQ issues and racism.

Stronk Serb
March 19th, 2017, 10:53 AM
I've read some articles claiming the exact opposite. I think neither of it is true since political affiliation is a choice. I know some highly intelligent "racists" (nationalosts, national socialists...) and some... not so intellectually blessed liberals/leftists, yet my best friend who has an above-average IQ is a socialist. Not to mention I know quite a few racists on the lower part od the IQ scale. I think both articles are bullshit made to discredit the other side.

Living For Love
March 19th, 2017, 10:56 AM
"The idea is that for those who lack a cognitive ability to grasp complexities of our world, strict-right wing ideologies may be more appealing."

Damn, boy. What now? If I'm too dumb to understand the multitude of complex mechanisms that underlie the immense and overwhelming LGBTQWERTYUIOP issues and racism, what the solution could possibly be? Should conservative people be gunned down like Jews in the Nazy Germany because they are considered inferior? Should we create schools and special institutions to convert dumb conservative people into genius liberal people and call it "conservative-cure programme"? Or should we simply lock them in some kind of pshychiatric institution while liberal scientists develop some kind of cure? You do realise that average raw IQ scores decrease with age, so it's only getting worse as we get older, meaning we get even more and more conservative as we age. Jesus. What can we possibly do to stop this?

Professional Russian
March 19th, 2017, 02:09 PM
yes since i am a trump supporter i am racist and a complete dumbass. my god isnt science a bitch.

Katie96xox
March 20th, 2017, 09:31 AM
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201003/if-liberals-are-more-intelligent-conservatives-why-are

I can handpick silly psychological studies to suit my own point of view too.

Having a high IQ helps in exams and tv quiz shows, it doesn't help you in real life on a day to day basis. Being street smart, having general intelligence, and common sense are different to knowing shit out of textbooks. Maybe liberals are more academic but that doesn't help with real life intelligence and acquired wisdom and has no relation to forming a point of view on a political issue.

Truth is, there are smart liberals and dumb liberals, and there are smart conservatives and dumb conservatives. There are racist/homophobic conservatives, there are racist/homophobic liberals. Get off your high horse.

And being conservative makes you have difficulty understanding LGBT issues?? I'm a lesbian for fuck's sake. I'd hardly say my conservative views make me homophobic. Talk about bigotry...

Voice_Of_Unreason
March 20th, 2017, 12:19 PM
This is exactly why Trump won and Brexit happened. The Left constantly claims that conservatives are nothing more than dumb homophobic racists who just wants to see the world burn and the global Forth Reich established. Calling people stupid haters for having opinions you don't like is not the Christian way.You and the Left as a whole are accusing conservatives of treating others of different races, religions, and sexuality as inferior, by saying that conservatives are in fact inferior to yourselves! Do you not see the hypocrisy in that?

So what is your solution to help those poor dumb conservatives? Maybe take a tip from your buddy Stalin and start setting up re-education camps to help those poor people see the light? Or maybe you can take a tip from the Klan and set restrictions on those inferior conservatives so that they can't taint your "ideal" society? Or maybe take a tip from Mao and prevent those inferior opinions from those inferior people from being heard? Think this sounds ridiculous? It always happens once you begin to see others as inferior.

Stronk Serb
March 21st, 2017, 03:37 AM
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201003/if-liberals-are-more-intelligent-conservatives-why-are

I can handpick silly psychological studies to suit my own point of view too.

Having a high IQ helps in exams and tv quiz shows, it doesn't help you in real life on a day to day basis. Being street smart, having general intelligence, and common sense are different to knowing shit out of textbooks. Maybe liberals are more academic but that doesn't help with real life intelligence and acquired wisdom and has no relation to forming a point of view on a political issue.

Truth is, there are smart liberals and dumb liberals, and there are smart conservatives and dumb conservatives. There are racist/homophobic conservatives, there are racist/homophobic liberals. Get off your high horse.

And being conservative makes you have difficulty understanding LGBT issues?? I'm a lesbian for fuck's sake. I'd hardly say my conservative views make me homophobic. Talk about bigotry...

I can hardly call someone who majored in gender studies or something like that an academic. Medicine, law, physics, mathemathics, history, chemistry... That's proper academic.

This is exactly why Trump won and Brexit happened. The Left constantly claims that conservatives are nothing more than dumb homophobic racists who just wants to see the world burn and the global Forth Reich established. Calling people stupid haters for having opinions you don't like is not the Christian way.You and the Left as a whole are accusing conservatives of treating others of different races, religions, and sexuality as inferior, by saying that conservatives are in fact inferior to yourselves! Do you not see the hypocrisy in that?

So what is your solution to help those poor dumb conservatives? Maybe take a tip from your buddy Stalin and start setting up re-education camps to help those poor people see the light? Or maybe you can take a tip from the Klan and set restrictions on those inferior conservatives so that they can't taint your "ideal" society? Or maybe take a tip from Mao and prevent those inferior opinions from those inferior people from being heard? Think this sounds ridiculous? It always happens once you begin to see others as inferior.

This ^^

bentheplayer
March 24th, 2017, 01:47 AM
I've read some articles claiming the exact opposite. I think neither of it is true since political affiliation is a choice. I know some highly intelligent "racists" (nationalosts, national socialists...) and some... not so intellectually blessed liberals/leftists, yet my best friend who has an above-average IQ is a socialist. Not to mention I know quite a few racists on the lower part od the IQ scale. I think both articles are bullshit made to discredit the other side.

As you said those were merely articles (opinions) but this was a fairly large scale study done. Besides the findings made on IQ were averages so obviously one would expect to find people with high and low IQ in both populations. Another key finding was that prejudice is also mediated by low levels of intergroup contact. The idea of integration as a key facilitator to end prejudice clearly works empirically if one were to look at examples around the world. This research was not made for the purpose of discrediting any party but to identify key reasons for prejudice.

"The idea is that for those who lack a cognitive ability to grasp complexities of our world, strict-right wing ideologies may be more appealing."

Damn, boy. What now? If I'm too dumb to understand the multitude of complex mechanisms that underlie the immense and overwhelming LGBTQWERTYUIOP issues and racism, what the solution could possibly be? Should conservative people be gunned down like Jews in the Nazy Germany because they are considered inferior? Should we create schools and special institutions to convert dumb conservative people into genius liberal people and call it "conservative-cure programme"? Or should we simply lock them in some kind of pshychiatric institution while liberal scientists develop some kind of cure? You do realise that average raw IQ scores decrease with age, so it's only getting worse as we get older, meaning we get even more and more conservative as we age. Jesus. What can we possibly do to stop this?

Yawn. A typical reactionary reply. The key idea here is to uncover any factors that contributes to bias but apparent this simple idea has been lost on you.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201003/if-liberals-are-more-intelligent-conservatives-why-are

I can handpick silly psychological studies to suit my own point of view too.

Having a high IQ helps in exams and tv quiz shows, it doesn't help you in real life on a day to day basis. Being street smart, having general intelligence, and common sense are different to knowing shit out of textbooks. Maybe liberals are more academic but that doesn't help with real life intelligence and acquired wisdom and has no relation to forming a point of view on a political issue.

Truth is, there are smart liberals and dumb liberals, and there are smart conservatives and dumb conservatives. There are racist/homophobic conservatives, there are racist/homophobic liberals. Get off your high horse.

And being conservative makes you have difficulty understanding LGBT issues?? I'm a lesbian for fuck's sake. I'd hardly say my conservative views make me homophobic. Talk about bigotry...

Again you fail to understand simple science. IQ is merely a predictor of cognitive ability but isn’t a guarantee of academic success. The study is talking about IQ averages not specific persons. The fact is there is a difference in IQ so why get so butt hurt over it? The study merely stated that lower IQ, conservative views and prejudice were all correlated but not absolute. Clearly you have difficulties in simple reading and comprehension. The article you cited was an editorial and not a peer reviewed study. In fact the author you chose is hilarious. Evidently you have no clueless about that author. FYI he was criticized by a group of leading evolutionary psychologists for bad science.

Whether you are a lesbian or not is inconsequential as there are lesbians who have an intense irrational dislike and prejudice against gays (strangely) and are hence homophobic by definition. One such example is Yulia Volkova from the band t.A.t.U.

This is exactly why Trump won and Brexit happened. The Left constantly claims that conservatives are nothing more than dumb homophobic racists who just wants to see the world burn and the global Forth Reich established. Calling people stupid haters for having opinions you don't like is not the Christian way.You and the Left as a whole are accusing conservatives of treating others of different races, religions, and sexuality as inferior, by saying that conservatives are in fact inferior to yourselves! Do you not see the hypocrisy in that?
So what is your solution to help those poor dumb conservatives? Maybe take a tip from your buddy Stalin and start setting up re-education camps to help those poor people see the light? Or maybe you can take a tip from the Klan and set restrictions on those inferior conservatives so that they can't taint your "ideal" society? Or maybe take a tip from Mao and prevent those inferior opinions from those inferior people from being heard? Think this sounds ridiculous? It always happens once you begin to see others as inferior.

What do you mean by Christian way? In no way did I accuse anyone of being a stupid hater. Having a lower IQ doesn’t equate to being stupid. As for helping conservatives? Lol I couldn’t care less as long as such ideas aren’t accepted by the people where I am living in. In any case this study was on factors affecting prejudice and it only showed a correlation. Not all people with conservative view are prejudiced anyway. The key finding of need for intergroup contact seems to have been conveniently ignored by you. Given your knee jerk reaction, it makes me wonder whether you think of yourself as a hater or that treating others of different races, religions, and sexuality differently with prejudice as acceptable and condoned by your God.

Stronk Serb
March 24th, 2017, 02:38 AM
As you said those were merely articles (opinions) but this was a fairly large scale study done. Besides the findings made on IQ were averages so obviously one would expect to find people with high and low IQ in both populations. Another key finding was that prejudice is also mediated by low levels of intergroup contact. The idea of integration as a key facilitator to end prejudice clearly works empirically if one were to look at examples around the world. This research was not made for the purpose of discrediting any party but to identify key reasons for prejudice.



Yawn. A typical reactionary reply. The key idea here is to uncover any factors that contributes to bias but apparent this simple idea has been lost on you.



Again you fail to understand simple science. IQ is merely a predictor of cognitive ability but isnít a guarantee of academic success. The study is talking about IQ averages not specific persons. The fact is there is a difference in IQ so why get so butt hurt over it? The study merely stated that lower IQ, conservative views and prejudice were all correlated but not absolute. Clearly you have difficulties in simple reading and comprehension. The article you cited was an editorial and not a peer reviewed study. In fact the author you chose is hilarious. Evidently you have no clueless about that author. FYI he was criticized by a group of leading evolutionary psychologists for bad science.

Whether you are a lesbian or not is inconsequential as there are lesbians who have an intense irrational dislike and prejudice against gays (strangely) and are hence homophobic by definition. One such example is Yulia Volkova from the band t.A.t.U.



What do you mean by Christian way? In no way did I accuse anyone of being a stupid hater. Having a lower IQ doesnít equate to being stupid. As for helping conservatives? Lol I couldnít care less as long as such ideas arenít accepted by the people where I am living in. In any case this study was on factors affecting prejudice and it only showed a correlation. Not all people with conservative view are prejudiced anyway. The key finding of need for intergroup contact seems to have been conveniently ignored by you. Given your knee jerk reaction, it makes me wonder whether you think of yourself as a hater or that treating others of different races, religions, and sexuality differently with prejudice as acceptable and condoned by your God.

http://www.poletical.com/liberal-liberalism-low-intelligence.php



You do forget that the liberal narrative can be pretty prejudiced and racist too, but not against the "opressed people of color". "White privilege", safe-spaces, legal quotas in employment/colleges, political correctness, as long as it is racism against whites, it is OK, calling people bigots...

bentheplayer
March 24th, 2017, 03:38 AM
http://www.poletical.com/liberal-liberalism-low-intelligence.php

You do forget that the liberal narrative can be pretty prejudiced and racist too, but not against the "opressed people of color". "White privilege", safe-spaces, legal quotas in employment/colleges, political correctness, as long as it is racism against whites, it is OK, calling people bigots...

What you cited is an editorial or opinion piece at best. It isn't a study. As for prejudice, sure it occurs everywhere but atm it mostly belongs to the right (Republicans) in the US. As for political correctness, I stopped caring about it. Its an overused term distorted into a smoke screen away from facts in today's politics.

In the article you quoted, I think that it is pathetic affirmative action is needed because it means that prejudice is institutionalized to the extent that it is needed especially when historic inequalities are considered. Interestingly based on various research done on top US university admission, Asian-Americans are at a significant disadvantage. In 2009, Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade and researcher Alexandria Walton Radford, examined data on students applying to college in 1997 and calculated that Asian-Americans needed nearly perfect SAT scores of 1550 to have the same chance of being accepted at a top private university as whites who scored 1410 and African Americans who got 1100.

I am against all forms of prejudice and I live in a place where everything is based on meritocracy, not skin color or sex or religion. The liberal or republican history is both littered with bad examples. I have no interest in history other than to learn from the mistakes made then. All that matters is now and the future.

ChloeF
March 24th, 2017, 03:51 AM
Found these articles. Thoughts?
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/millennial-media/201304/do-racism-conservatism-and-low-iq-go-hand-in-hand
http://www.livescience.com/18132-intelligence-social-conservatism-racism.html


Apparently, poor abstract reasoning skills were related to homophobic attitudes which was mediated through authoritarianism and low levels of intergroup contact. Maybe that is why some people have difficultly understanding LGBTQ issues and racism.

Regardless of their IQ or whether they have conservative beliefs, what makes you think people are interested in understanding racism or whatever problems LGBTQ people might have?

bentheplayer
March 24th, 2017, 03:58 AM
Regardless of their IQ or whether they have conservative beliefs, what makes you think people are interested in understanding racism or whatever problems LGBTQ people might have?

Whether they are interested or not is irrelevant since everyone has a right to equality and dignity without distinction of any kind, such as race, color, sex, language, religion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status.

Fear leads to anger; anger leads to hate and hate leads to discrimination. From history whenever any group becomes sufficiently oppressed, revolutions will happen. If they are don't see the need then they are being extremely short sighted.

ChloeF
March 24th, 2017, 04:30 AM
Whether they are interested or not is irrelevant since everyone has a right to equality and dignity without distinction of any kind, such as race, color, sex, language, religion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status.

Fear leads to anger; anger leads to hate and hate leads to discrimination. From history whenever any group becomes sufficiently oppressed, revolutions will happen. If they are don't see the need then they are being extremely short sighted.

Where does fear come from? Just because someone has no interest in something doesn't mean they're afraid of it.

bentheplayer
March 24th, 2017, 04:36 AM
Where does fear come from? Just because someone has no interest in something doesn't mean they're afraid of it.

If they have no fear, indifferent and don't engage in prejudice then it doesn't matter. However, a number of people on this board and politicians have been constantly engaging in trans bashing or attempting to stir up fear against certain groups along religious/social fault lines.

Living For Love
March 24th, 2017, 08:46 AM
Yawn. A typical reactionary reply. The key idea here is to uncover any factors that contributes to bias but apparent this simple idea has been lost on you.
You didn't even come up with any idea in the first place. All you did was mentioning a "study" that says low IQ is related to right-wing ideologies. Even if we attempt to establish that right-wing ideologies are equal to discrimination, racism, homophobia, etc... (which necessarily aren't), how is the connection between both things relevant? If you want my opinion, though, I think the main thing that contributes to bias and prejudice is lack of proper education, not IQ or intergroup contact (whatever that is).

bentheplayer
March 24th, 2017, 09:53 AM
You didn't even come up with any idea in the first place. All you did was mentioning a "study" that says low IQ is related to right-wing ideologies. Even if we attempt to establish that right-wing ideologies are equal to discrimination, racism, homophobia, etc... (which necessarily aren't), how is the connection between both things relevant? If you want my opinion, though, I think the main thing that contributes to bias and prejudice is lack of proper education, not IQ or intergroup contact (whatever that is).

The study hardly states that right-wing ideologies equate to discrimination etc unless that is your interpretation of those ideologies. All the study states is that people who gravitate towards socially conservative ideas tend to have on average a lower IQ and that these ideologies which stress hierarchy and resistance to change can result in attitudes that potentially contributes to prejudice. It merely highlights the correlation but doesn't state it as a causation. The study also found that people who are prejudiced against gays have so minimal contact with gays such that they have a warped idea of who/what gays are. Intergroup contact has been well established to be key in fostering social integration and cohesiveness. In this study, factors like education and social-economic status have already been factored in.

The least you could do, if you were to reply, is to at least read the links posted and the relevant study that is being commented on. You are making it very difficult for others to not question your comprehension abilities when you keep alleging and insinuating ideas that are not mentioned and in fact denounced by the authors of the study.

Stronk Serb
March 24th, 2017, 10:17 AM
What you cited is an editorial or opinion piece at best. It isn't a study. As for prejudice, sure it occurs everywhere but atm it mostly belongs to the right (Republicans) in the US. As for political correctness, I stopped caring about it. Its an overused term distorted into a smoke screen away from facts in today's politics.

In the article you quoted, I think that it is pathetic affirmative action is needed because it means that prejudice is institutionalized to the extent that it is needed especially when historic inequalities are considered. Interestingly based on various research done on top US university admission, Asian-Americans are at a significant disadvantage. In 2009, Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade and researcher Alexandria Walton Radford, examined data on students applying to college in 1997 and calculated that Asian-Americans needed nearly perfect SAT scores of 1550 to have the same chance of being accepted at a top private university as whites who scored 1410 and African Americans who got 1100.

I am against all forms of prejudice and I live in a place where everything is based on meritocracy, not skin color or sex or religion. The liberal or republican history is both littered with bad examples. I have no interest in history other than to learn from the mistakes made then. All that matters is now and the future.

Prejudice belongs to the right? I don't see the news of angry Republicans rioting across the states spouting prejudiced bullshit. Leading Democrat nominees spouted crap about white privilege, rioters assaulting white people because of their skin color, Black Lives Matter holding riots, targeting white police officers etc. If prejudices and racism are correlated with low IQ, right now the lack of it is more present in liberal circles.

bentheplayer
March 24th, 2017, 10:28 AM
Prejudice belongs to the right? I don't see the news of angry Republicans rioting across the states spouting prejudiced bullshit. Leading Democrat nominees spouted crap about white privilege, rioters assaulting white people because of their skin color, Black Lives Matter holding riots, targeting white police officers etc. If prejudices and racism are correlated with low IQ, right now the lack of it is more present in liberal circles.

http://cco.ndu.edu/Publications/PRISM/PRISM-Volume-6-no-2/Article/839011/right-wing-extremism-and-terrorism-in-europe-current-developments-and-issues-fo/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/22/rightwing-lone-wolves-islamist-extremists-report-thinktank-rusi

Considering the various violent attacks against immigrants evidently there is prejudice being encouraged by the right with anti-immigration rhetoric. I very clearly stated that prejudice exists in all groups but more so in some than others. Using the riots done under the pretext of BLM is disingenuous given the endemic racial discrimination. How many more instances of black people being shot or beaten by the police despite being restrained do we need before such discrimination is recognized? The idea of white privilege stems from the fact of historic racial advantage enjoyed by white people which no one can deny.

Voice_Of_Unreason
March 24th, 2017, 12:58 PM
Given your knee jerk reaction, it makes me wonder whether you think of yourself as a hater or that treating others of different races, religions, and sexuality differently with prejudice as acceptable and condoned by your God.Glad to know that you think that I am a hater who justifies it via my religion. Such a typical leftist attack, you are so blinded by your arrogance.

bentheplayer
March 24th, 2017, 01:04 PM
Ah, you just prove my point. Glad to know that you think that I am a hater who justifies it via religion. You are so blinded by your arrogance.

Gee, can you read? I didn't say that I think you are a hater or that all conservatives are haters. I am merely wondering if that is what you think of yourself since you are the one who mentioned haters.

Voice_Of_Unreason
March 24th, 2017, 01:58 PM
What you cited is an editorial or opinion piece at best. It isn't a study. As for prejudice, sure it occurs everywhere but atm it mostly belongs to the right (Republicans) in the US. As for political correctness, I stopped caring about it. Its an overused term distorted into a smoke screen away from facts in today's politics.
Prejudice: Preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience.

Examples of prejudice from the Left:
White Privilege
Calling Trump voters deplorable
Calling Police Officers racist
Calling immigration control racist
Calling Christians haters
Affirmative Action policies
Calls anything "pro-white" racist
Claim minorities can't be racist
Claim all men are rapists or condone rape
etc...

In the article you quoted, I think that it is pathetic affirmative action is needed because it means that prejudice is institutionalized to the extent that it is needed especially when historic inequalities are considered. Interestingly based on various research done on top US university admission, Asian-Americans are at a significant disadvantage. In 2009, Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade and researcher Alexandria Walton Radford, examined data on students applying to college in 1997 and calculated that Asian-Americans needed nearly perfect SAT scores of 1550 to have the same chance of being accepted at a top private university as whites who scored 1410 and African Americans who got 1100. Many on the Left would call people who opposed affirmative action racists. Is that not prejudice?


...If they are don't see the need then they are being extremely short sighted. What I and most conservatives see is a non-problem and that the Liberal "solution" is just identity politics to help gain support. There is currently effective legal equality among people of different races, sexes, religion, and ethnicity. A black gay muslim women has as much right as myself to practice her religion, work a job, and participate in government as I do. Movements like BLM and feminism has done little to dispute that. Just look at the cases where BLM got into an outrage over a black guy being killed. In almost all those cases it was proven that the black guy was a simple criminal who was refusing to cooperate with police. And the wage gap has been long proven false. It seems far more evident to me that these groups simply want to make a ruckus and get more government handouts. I could bring up hundreds of examples of this.


http://cco.ndu.edu/Publications/PRISM/PRISM-Volume-6-no-2/Article/839011/right-wing-extremism-and-terrorism-in-europe-current-developments-and-issues-fo/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/22/rightwing-lone-wolves-islamist-extremists-report-thinktank-rusi

[QUOTE]Considering the various violent attacks against immigrants evidently there is prejudice being encouraged by the right with anti-immigration rhetoric. I very clearly stated that prejudice exists in all groups but more so in some than others. Using the riots done under the pretext of BLM is disingenuous given the endemic racial discrimination. How many more instances of black people being shot or beaten by the police despite being restrained do we need before such discrimination is recognized? The idea of white privilege stems from the fact of historic racial advantage enjoyed by white people which no one can deny. Look into those cases after the investigations, and almost all of them come up with the black guy being at fault. Just look at the Charlotte case, BLM claimed the man was harmless and was unfairly shot, but later investigations revealed that the man had illegal drugs, weapons, and a known history of violence. And about privileges, how are historically oppressed Asian-American groups actually doing better than white people in work and school? They were also oppressed like black people, yet they are thriving?

How about the rising attacks against police officers? Isn't that prejudice from the Left? And are violent riots justified because you believe with the cause? BLM did thousands of dollars of property damage and even killed a man during their riots, yet you seem to condone them.

Gee, can you read? I didn't say that I think you are a hater or that all conservatives are haters. I am merely wondering if that is what you think of yourself since you are the one who mentioned haters.
Your post seemed very personal, asking me if I felt my religion justified "prejudice"(aka hatred) towards others. And no, I don't.

Living For Love
March 24th, 2017, 02:42 PM
The study hardly states that right-wing ideologies equate to discrimination etc unless that is your interpretation of those ideologies. All the study states is that people who gravitate towards socially conservative ideas tend to have on average a lower IQ and that these ideologies which stress hierarchy and resistance to change can result in attitudes that potentially contributes to prejudice. It merely highlights the correlation but doesn't state it as a causation. The study also found that people who are prejudiced against gays have so minimal contact with gays such that they have a warped idea of who/what gays are. Intergroup contact has been well established to be key in fostering social integration and cohesiveness. In this study, factors like education and social-economic status have already been factored in.

The least you could do, if you were to reply, is to at least read the links posted and the relevant study that is being commented on. You are making it very difficult for others to not question your comprehension abilities when you keep alleging and insinuating ideas that are not mentioned and in fact denounced by the authors of the study.
"Hodson and Busseri (2012) found in a correlational study that lower intelligence in childhood is predictive of greater racism in adulthood, with this effect being mediated (partially explained) through conservative ideology. "
It clearly states here the relationship between racism and conservative ideology. Why couldn't racism be conveyed through liberal ideology? Or through any other ideology at all? Also, just out of curiosity, how the heck did you find these articles? You just googled "conservatives are dumb" and this was the best you could come up with? :D You know, like I said earlier, I agree that prejudice and bias are definitely linked to lack of education, which does not correlate necessarily to lack of IQ, it just means whoever raised that kid did a bad job. I just don't see the correlation between that and the conservative views, and neither do the articles you selected explained that. I know lots of people who are economically and socially liberal, like anti-capitalist, anti private activity, pro abortion, pro euthanasia, yet are homophobic, transphobic and racist. I do agree, though, about the intergroup contact being important, but I doubt a homossexual would want to hang out with me if he knew I'm conservative (which he obviously has the right not to). Also, I know a transgender dude, and before transitioning, he was a complete asshole (calling me gay, ironically, for the way I acted and dressed), and when he transitioned, he became much more tolerant and respectful. So, you see, it's all very relative. I also agree with the media part the first article mentions.

Beauregard
March 24th, 2017, 06:56 PM
Did any dumb person ever realised that he or she is dumb? Not really I would say. They think they are intelligent, they are right etc.and those who tell them otherwise are the dumb ones so how should disussion about a topic like this ever lead to anything??

Would any dumb homophobic racist admit to it? No they give a million reasons why they are right and how they aren't homophobic racists so wtf?

Porpoise101
March 25th, 2017, 10:23 AM
I feel like this could be less to do with conservatism, and more to do with populism. In the US, the Conservative movement is now more populist than the liberal one. In the past though, the Republican party was far more educated and had a more 'intelligent' base while the liberals were the stupid hicks. As conservatism becomes more populist and increasingly looks to simplistic solutions, of course it's going to look more dumb. But this can also be found in places where there's a popular and radical left or even within the progressive part of the American Left.

In short: If overly simple answers to tough problems from politicians excites you or people who think like you, then maybe your movement leans to the more stupid side of things.

Babs
March 27th, 2017, 09:19 PM
this entire thread is a joke

bigwolf2
March 28th, 2017, 08:06 AM
I've read some articles claiming the exact opposite. I think neither of it is true since political affiliation is a choice. I know some highly intelligent "racists" (nationalosts, national socialists...) and some... not so intellectually blessed liberals/leftists, yet my best friend who has an above-average IQ is a socialist. Not to mention I know quite a few racists on the lower part od the IQ scale. I think both articles are bullshit made to discredit the other side.

Yeah, I believe the same. I have read articles claiming that leftists have lower IQs and articles claiming that conservatives have lower IQ. I also have read articles claiming that racists have lower IQ. But, while I believe intelligent people tend to be more open to new experiences, I do not think there is a correlation between political beliefs and IQ. I have met people who are nationalist/conservative and really intelligent, and people who are also nationalist/conservative and really dumb. The same with leftists.

Besides that, we must remember one of the most racist people of all time, Hitler, was quite intelligent (Hitler's IQ is believed to be around 125, which is way above average).

Voice_Of_Unreason
March 28th, 2017, 11:42 AM
I guarantee you that almost every ideology has been deemed by some study to be caused by low intelligence. Truth be told, I don't see any relation between ideology and IQ, those who claim to the contrary just want to paint opposing viewpoints in a bad light. To me, anyone who claims opposing viewpoints are due to low intelligence just proved that they themselves have low intelligence.

Beauregard
March 28th, 2017, 02:23 PM
Yeah, I believe the same. I have read articles claiming that leftists have lower IQs and articles claiming that conservatives have lower IQ. I also have read articles claiming that racists have lower IQ. But, while I believe intelligent people tend to be more open to new experiences, I do not think there is a correlation between political beliefs and IQ. I have met people who are nationalist/conservative and really intelligent, and people who are also nationalist/conservative and really dumb. The same with leftists.

Besides that, we must remember one of the most racist people of all time, Hitler, was quite intelligent (Hitler's IQ is believed to be around 125, which is way above average).

Well it's not the leaders that have the low IQ. You have to be intelligent to create a concept to manipulate the masses. It's usually the dumb ones who follow.

BlackParadePixie
March 28th, 2017, 05:04 PM
I can hardly call someone who majored in gender studies or something like that an academic. Medicine, law, physics, mathemathics, history, chemistry... That's proper academic.

hear! hear!
my mother has a law degree and a masters in psychology.
my father has a phd in engineering.

they are both conservatives.

bigwolf2
March 28th, 2017, 07:37 PM
Well it's not the leaders that have the low IQ. You have to be intelligent to create a concept to manipulate the masses. It's usually the dumb ones who follow.

Well, sometimes leaders do have low IQ.

But I do agree with you. You have to be intelligent to manipulate the masses.