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Collinsworthington
December 21st, 2016, 05:31 AM
As i've recently (last 12 months) been hella interested in politics/economics, i'm wondering what everyone's political philosophies are. I'm personally a Libertarian Socialist, i.e. muy liberal on social issues, and for mucho regulation, large central government, etc.

Anyways, vote, and drop a brief summary of your beliefs.
Debate is gr8, but keep it civil.

Vlerchan
December 21st, 2016, 07:01 AM
With regards to economics I'm a New-Keynesian; With regards to social policy I am a Classical Liberal and Radical Feminist; With regards to foreign policy I am a Realist and Russophobe. I have been called a Technocratic Capitalist.

I probably am closer to centrism on that poll, than anything else.

NoahNoah
December 21st, 2016, 10:02 AM
I lean more closely to libertarian-capitalism than anything else.

PlasmaHam
December 21st, 2016, 10:03 AM
I'll probably sum myself up as a Moderate Libertarian Conservative and a Capitalist.

The reason I say that is because I am socially conservative on most every issue, and also believe in a small central government. The reason I say Moderate Libertarian is because I full Libertarianism as nice, but ultimately not realistic. There is a legitimate role of government here. I also believe in the open market, which makes me a Capitalist I guess.

Porpoise101
December 22nd, 2016, 07:20 PM
I am pretty socially liberal, and I think that communism will be achieved. However, I understand that that is impractical within my lifetime until technology advances beyond humans. This means I support markets with necessary intervention as well as a generally liberal social environment simply because I don't care about what others do as long as it doesn't hurt me.

I think I align with what Vlerchan says on foreign policy as well. However, I do think that American dominance is not a good long-term solution. Instead, power should be divided more equitably on the world stage in the UN.

To sum: Long-term I am a communist internationalist. But in the shorter term I am more of a centrist.

Kahn
December 24th, 2016, 12:01 AM
American capitalist nationalist. My social views are largely derived from classical liberalism, although not entirely.

To put it bluntly, fuck the UN and any attempted form of global, or even transcontinental government.

Vlerchan
December 24th, 2016, 07:53 AM
Notes:

3 votes for libertarian-socialism/libertarian-communism, and I haven't seen a single libsoc or libcom arguments in years here.

It's also interesting that no-one refers to themselves with the authoritarian label.

Stronk Serb
December 24th, 2016, 11:56 AM
Fascist. The only time Serbs accomplished something was when united as one people, united around the same idea, united under the same banner.

ethan-s
December 24th, 2016, 12:18 PM
Mine wasn't on the poll. I am capitalist conservative and proud of it!

Vlerchan
December 24th, 2016, 12:35 PM
The only time Serbs accomplished something was when united as one people, united around the same idea, united under the same banner.
What did the Serbs accomplish in the 1990s?

Mine wasn't on the poll. I am capitalist conservative and proud of it!
You're an authoritarian capitalist :).

Stronk Serb
December 24th, 2016, 01:35 PM
What did the Serbs accomplish in the 1990s?

Actually, in the nineties we were more ideologically fractured than we ever were. The whole decade was riddled with protests. Nobody wanted to fight in the wars so paramilitaries had to go, along with mercanaries.

DriveAlive
December 24th, 2016, 01:36 PM
Notes:

3 votes for libertarian-socialism/libertarian-communism, and I haven't seen a single libsoc or libcom arguments in years here.

It's also interesting that no-one refers to themselves with the authoritarian label.

But Bernie Sanders!

Authoritarians are scary.

Collinsworthington
December 24th, 2016, 03:09 PM
Notes:

3 votes for libertarian-socialism/libertarian-communism, and I haven't seen a single libsoc or libcom arguments in years here.

It's also interesting that no-one refers to themselves with the authoritarian label.


Here are my views in a nut shell, as i am one of the voters you speak of.

Pro:
Gun
Gay rights
surplus redistribution
NASA
free speech (hate speech, all of it)
Feminism
Open Borders (to an extent)

Anti:
SJW's
1% controlling the other 99%
interventionism
Fascism
TPP
income inequality



Again, this is a very brief overview, but these beliefs line me up on a political compass as being hella far left economically and pretty far down socially, which makes me a libertarian socialist. :metal:

Kahn
December 24th, 2016, 03:17 PM
It's also interesting that no-one refers to themselves with the authoritarian label.

I think it's because of the negativity associated with the word. I'm disappointed the poll didn't offer me a nationalist option. I'm that fool at the bottom who voted for "I Don't Give A Fuck m8."

Being honest though, I'm not very good at recognizing another's philosophy and even struggle identifying just what mine is personally. It's really something I haven't given much time to read about and I regret it.

Vlerchan
December 24th, 2016, 03:27 PM
But Bernie Sanders!

Authoritarians are scary.
Lol'd. This is what I'd also imagined but decided to go fishing anyways.

...but these beliefs line me up on a political compass as being hella far left economically and pretty far down socially, which makes me a libertarian socialist.
Political Compass can be pretty flawed. Those views would place you in the centre-left in Europe.

When I think left-libertarians, Left-wing Marxists (Trotskyites, Luxembourgists, etc.), Libertarian Syndicalists and Left-capitalists (/market socialists) and anarcho-communists are what usually comes to mind. But, you set up the poll so let's not confuse it with my definitions, I suppose.

[...] even struggle identifying just what mine is personally[.]
I'm not sure about your economic views, but I'd try paleoconservative.

I also checked the dictionary definition and it's down as 'an extremely right-wing conservative', which is pretty meaningless. But by my reading of their manifestos, they typically calls for (1) the centrality of Western (or: christian) identity and the rollback of multiculturalism, (2) restrictions on immigration, (3) restrictions on free trade and greater levels of economic nationalism, generally, (4) low levels of government spending, fiscal conservatism, (5) decentralisation of policy-making (anti-Federalism), (6) non-interventionism (isolationism) in foreign policy, etc.

Kahn
December 24th, 2016, 03:32 PM
I'm not sure about your economic views, but I'd try paleoconservative.

Shit, that's spot on. Thanks.

Porpoise101
December 25th, 2016, 09:33 PM
I did a little digging around on the net, and I believe that I support a 'cyberocracy.' Until then, I support rule by the best and brightest.

NewLeafsFan
January 2nd, 2017, 02:08 AM
This poll really doesnt make a lot of sense to me. There is no such thing as a Libertarian Communist. If I'm incorrrect please correct me and explain why.

Vlerchan
January 2nd, 2017, 06:28 AM
If I'm incorrrect please correct me and explain why.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Kropotkin

It's worth also noting that communism refers to the experience of a classless and stateless [read: non-authoritarian] society. The essential difference between Marxist and non-Marxist Libertarian theorists is that Marxists posit that there is the necessary stage of socialism to first live through, where the dictatorship [read: government] of the proletariat is established and the factors of production are brought under socialised (but not common) control, whilst Libertarian's posit that it is possible to move directly from capitalism to communism.

To be a Libertarian Communist also does essentially mean to be an anarchist, yes.

Gwen
January 2nd, 2017, 02:26 PM
As time has gone on I think I've moved from a more leftist/socialist point of view to just full chaotic anarchy. Maybe it is a more childish and terribly careless side of me but I just wonder what total freedom would be like, the threat of repercussions being that of what the other person might do to you. To die or have the world be destroyed in a state like that would be an amazing way to go out. Probably also horrific but more interesting than anything I would've seen in my lifetime.