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Just JT
December 15th, 2016, 11:31 AM
I don't post here to much. I'm just not a debate type person. But I think this could be a good conversation anyways so I'll post it.

As on midnight last night marijuana was legal for recreational use. If your age 21 or older you are legally allowed to possess 10oz's in your home and 1 oz on your person at all times. Each residence is allowed up to 6 plants to grow your own weed. This has essentially removed the responsibility of enforcement out of the hands of the police, and a new regulating board will be formed to oversee and regulate this.

There is so many details on this topic than I can reasonable list here so I posted a link below that summerises it pretty well, so feel free....

http://hubpages.com/health/antisocialpersonalitydisorder101

Personally, I think 10 oz's is a shit ton of weed to be allowed to have. That's more than a half pound. So a couple of adults living together could potentially posess 1 1/4 pound of weed they grew off their own plants for their own personal consumption and to give away as "gifts" to friends.

That's a lot of freakin weed, to much IMO.

brandon9
December 15th, 2016, 12:57 PM
I don't post here to much. I'm just not a debate type person. But I think this could be a good conversation anyways so I'll post it.

As on midnight last night marijuana was legal for recreational use. If your age 21 or older you are legally allowed to possess 10oz's in your home and 1 oz on your person at all times. Each residence is allowed up to 6 plants to grow your own weed. This has essentially removed the responsibility of enforcement out of the hands of the police, and a new regulating board will be formed to oversee and regulate this.

There is so many details on this topic than I can reasonable list here so I posted a link below that summerises it pretty well, so feel free....

http://hubpages.com/health/antisocialpersonalitydisorder101

Personally, I think 10 oz's is a shit ton of weed to be allowed to have. That's more than a half pound. So a couple of adults living together could potentially posess 1 1/4 pound of weed they grew off their own plants for their own personal consumption and to give away as "gifts" to friends.

That's a lot of freakin weed, to much IMO.

I assume you're talking about the Massachusetts legalization? I agree that is a surprisingly high limit, seeing how the recently passed California legislation (called Proposition 64 I think) only allows the possession of up to an ounce for recreational purposes, along with the limit of 6 plants, if I remember correctly. I'm pretty sure Colorado has similar laws in place, that limit to about an ounce. Seeing how states like those were commonly considered the frontrunners for the legalization of marijuana, it'll be interesting to see if Massachusetts now takes up the mantle.

I wouldn't say marijuana usage in of itself is bad - I've tried it, I don't do it anymore though - but only as long as people are responsible about it. Some people can handle their shit and be okay, other people are more prone to doing stupid shit while they're high, and I think that's where the grey area exists with legalizing marijuana. You have to count on the portion of dumbasses in the population who will make poor choices. This particular legalization implementation, I feel, will make that abundantly clear very quickly. You'll also see a drastic spike in the number of underage users, I would expect, as access will be far greater.

But, yes, I totally agree that is a shitload of marijuana to just have sitting around all at once.

Voice_Of_Unreason
December 15th, 2016, 01:11 PM
I've said this before, I do not support the "right" to possess and use mind-altering drugs for recreational use or even non-regulated medical uses.

Semester finals are this week so I don't have the time to really discuss or debate this, just putting my opinion out there.

Flapjack
December 15th, 2016, 03:53 PM
I've said this before, I do not support the "right" to possess and use mind-altering drugs for recreational use or even non-regulated medical uses.

Semester finals are this week so I don't have the time to really discuss or debate this, just putting my opinion out there.
What about alcohol?

everlong
December 15th, 2016, 04:25 PM
I like that it's legal, even though I don't smoke it myself, I feel it's really not that big of a deal compared to plenty of other drugs out there.

Porpoise101
December 15th, 2016, 05:52 PM
What about alcohol?
That is poison as well

Flapjack
December 15th, 2016, 06:02 PM
That is poison as well
Which adults choose to consume and unless abused can be fun and cause no harm. I think it is a freedom issue tbh. I do find it funny how people insist they have a right to powerful, military grade guns and any attack on that right would be an attack on their freedoms. But yet this same people want to regulate what substances people consume and even who they sleep with etc etc

Legalising weed decreases the amount of people that consumes it and removes an income stream from gangs.

Porpoise101
December 15th, 2016, 06:25 PM
Which adults choose to consume and unless abused can be fun and cause no harm. I think it is a freedom issue tbh. I do find it funny how people insist they have a right to powerful, military grade guns and any attack on that right would be an attack on their freedoms. But yet this same people want to regulate what substances people consume and even who they sleep with etc etc

Legalising weed decreases the amount of people that consumes it and removes an income stream from gangs.
To me it is a trade off.

You either have more common drug use (yes, alcohol included) with reduced productivity as a result.

Or you have organized crime support a black market that they use for their bad activities.

At some point, the best option could be to have more criminals. But it could also be to have reduced productivity of people. It depends on the situation.

Ideally, we would actually move forward as a culture to discourage drug use as a whole. This would lead to a good situation where we would not have to deal with this issue. That way you have less criminals leaching off of bad habits or reduced productivity.

Voice_Of_Unreason
December 15th, 2016, 06:43 PM
What about alcohol?
I don't drink nor ever plan to, make your own conclusions.

Flapjack
December 15th, 2016, 08:05 PM
I don't drink nor ever plan to, make your own conclusions.
I am not encouraging anyone consume alcohol or weed, I was asking whether you would make alcohol illegal too as that is actually worse than weed as I assumed you would drink it but of course you have to go be awkward ;)

Full disclosure, I do drink alcohol but I have never done weed.

To me it is a trade off.

You either have more common drug use (yes, alcohol included) with reduced productivity as a result.

Or you have organized crime support a black market that they use for their bad activities.

At some point, the best option could be to have more criminals. But it could also be to have reduced productivity of people. It depends on the situation.

Ideally, we would actually move forward as a culture to discourage drug use as a whole. This would lead to a good situation where we would not have to deal with this issue. That way you have less criminals leaching off of bad habits or reduced productivity.
What is I told you that legalising weed doesn't increase the number of people taking it and in some cases the number decreases? Did you know that the war on drugs was politically motivated to target black people and hippies?

Also why all the fearmongering on weed? For adults it is basically harmless.

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Just JT
December 15th, 2016, 08:17 PM
In my experience I think alcohol is worse in many ways. But also on a personal basis I think if someone wants to get hi that's their choice.

But then how do the cops k ow who's hi and who's not?
It's just ..

As far as guns as someone mentioned that's a different topic. I'd like to keep this more civil like a conversation than a potential "another" political debate that I don't do all that great at

Bottom line, like where I live. There's a potential 2.5 pounds of weed in a building being seperate residence. Plus how ever many plants allowed.

I like weed, it's a blast ya no?

But that's a shit tone of weed I think most of us haven't ever seen in one viewing.

It's just to much weed with to much loose to do what you wana do with a pound or so of weed

Porpoise101
December 15th, 2016, 08:41 PM
I am not encouraging anyone consume alcohol or weed, I was asking whether you would make alcohol illegal too as that is actually worse than weed as I assumed you would drink it but of course you have to go be awkward ;)

That's what I am here for after all

What is I told you that legalising weed doesn't increase the number of people taking it and in some cases the number decreases? Did you know that the war on drugs was politically motivated to target black people and hippies?

I am not sure about this. Usually after legalization, there is a spike in usage as a whole of drugs. And long term, there is a small increase. This is by looking at the examples of other countries of course.

That being said, there could be more costs of enforcement and imprisonment than the costs to productivity of people. I do not really know about it because honestly, I could care less about this issue.

The War on Drugs isn't new. It has always been apart of American politics ever since we became relevant as a country. First it was tobacco, then alcohol. But it really got serious when the US had colonies in the Philippines and we started banning drugs like opium which was being smuggled from Asian ports. Later on there was Prohibition, and finally the modern War on Drugs came into fruition. The modern iteration of this struggle may have been politically motivated, but it was only the most recent of our nation's struggle against substances which diminish the public's health.

Also why all the fearmongering on weed? For adults it is basically harmless.

Some studies have shown that there is a loss in mental functions relating to logic and mathematics. One study in the Netherlands showed that there were lower scores in Math courses among regular users marijuana. Another study which recently came out has shown it is linked to decreased vision as you age. The thing is that marijauna has only been used for a few decades in the mainstream in Western nations. We really do not know the effects, unlike tobacco and alcohol, which have been around for centuries. Additionally, there is more THC nowadays in marijuana, it is much stronger than it once was. This means that there is more risk involved with its usage, as there is more of an effect on your brain.

When it comes to operating machinery and vehicles, we also do not have a way to do a 'sobriety test' like we do with alcohol. If someone is under the influence and is driving a car, they could be a risk for the community. But law enforcement currently does not have the ability to quickly detect these people.

Instead of rushing around and saying "legalize, legalize," it's definitely more safe to take it slow. Allow research with marijuana to figure out its effects so we can develop needed technologies first, and then we can start to make a plan to legalize it.

Dalcourt
December 15th, 2016, 10:23 PM
Weed legalizing is a means of decriminalisation for things that are seen as more petty crimes. We simply don't have enough police officers to run after every stoner. And it's a good source for money.

In my opinion the amount doesn't matter. In what way does the amount make it better or worse? Just because I'm allowed to have it doesn't say I have to have it and those who think they need it had those amounts and more even though it was illegal.

Candy bars are free and it's legal to have tons of it at home everywhere so why don't all people buy and consume them in irresponsible amounts? Cuz they have brains.

So,I can't say whether legalisation of weed is good or bad in the long run..but I can say I still believe in humans enough to know that the majority is responsible enough to not go crazy because of it. It's always the same percentage of people who can't control themselves no matter a substance is legal or not and it's always the same people who would never use it.

Stronk Serb
December 16th, 2016, 03:43 AM
I tried weed, and were piss drunk. The worst thing I did while drunk was piss in a public space (it was a back alley, but public in the eyes of the law). While under influence of weed (which is a felony by itself) I was promoting national-socialism, all with the Hitler salute, which in dear Serbia can land me in prison, so yeah, weed is worse than alcohol in my opinion.

PinkFloyd
December 16th, 2016, 04:18 AM
I don't see the issue. If I can go out and legally buy as much hard liquor as I can afford, (and carry of course) then it should be no problem to do the same with Marijuana. I know I'm beating a dead horse with the Alcohol-Marijuana comparison, but seriously... Alcohol is much, much worse than Marijuana, but there are way fewer restrictions on it.

Just JT
December 16th, 2016, 03:26 PM
I understand the comparison and how bad alcohol is for people. We can compare it to anything really. It just seems like an aweful lot of weed to have when you can only smoke it or give it away. I think it can enable people to smoking it while driving (which is illegal anyways) and really no good way to test the driver. As well as almost fostering selling it outside of the law. Which almost negates decriminalizing it in the first place. I just think that allowing someone to have so much weed on you or in your possession will simply allow further illegal treatment of weed

I know there's no way to formulativly test or people that, but seems to make reasonable sense to me that's all

mattsmith48
December 17th, 2016, 06:11 PM
I don't see why when weed becomes legal we need a limit on how much you can possess. You can buy as many cases of beer and packs of cigarettes you want as long your old enough and you can afford it, I understand why we would need a limit on how many plants someone can grow themself, but why limit how much you can have on you especially a drug that you can't overdose and have almost no long term negative effects on your body

Kahn
December 18th, 2016, 01:52 PM
My thoughts as a former daily smoker; it should be legal.

It isn't good for you.

Yes, you can become addicted. Yes, you can become dependant. No, it will not be the end of you.

Be responsible with the vice and you'll be fine.

mattsmith48
December 18th, 2016, 06:15 PM
My thoughts as a former daily smoker; it should be legal.

It isn't good for you.

Yes, you can become addicted. Yes, you can become dependant. No, it will not be the end of you.

Be responsible with the vice and you'll be fine.

Compare to everything someone can consume on a daily basis pot is not that bad for you

Kahn
December 18th, 2016, 06:29 PM
Compare to everything someone can consume on a daily basis pot is not that bad for you

"Not bad for you" ≠ Healthy

Compared to heroin and meth, cocaine is not that bad for you.

I'm not comparing marijuana to anything. Marijuana, like any substance, has its benefits, and its consequences.

I used for five years every day. I experienced first hand the psychological dependence and mild physical withdrawal symptoms (inability to sleep for first several weeks, irritability, cravings, whacky, sometimes terrifying dreams) that can afflict marijuana users.

It is not good for you. It's not that bad for you, sure. But it's not good.

Handled responsibly, I think it's a much preferable substance to any other drug, though. Only reason I quit smoking was for school and work. Can't focus if you're stoned- can't get a decent paying job either.

mattsmith48
December 18th, 2016, 06:53 PM
"Not bad for you" ≠ Healthy

Compared to heroin and meth, cocaine is not that bad for you.

I'm not comparing marijuana to anything. Marijuana, like any substance, has its benefits, and its consequences.

I used for five years every day. I experienced first hand the psychological dependence and mild physical withdrawal symptoms (inability to sleep for first several weeks, irritability, cravings, whacky, sometimes terrifying dreams) that can afflict marijuana users.

It is not good for you. It's not that bad for you, sure. But it's not good.

Handled responsibly, I think it's a much preferable substance to any other drug, though. Only reason I quit smoking was for school and work. Can't focus if you're stoned- can't get a decent paying job either.

I was comparing more to what we eat and drink every day, when you compare to other drugs its not even close.

It can do some small damage mostly if you use it when your brain is still developing.

Voice_Of_Unreason
December 18th, 2016, 10:14 PM
I was comparing more to what we eat and drink every day, when you compare to other drugs its not even close.

It can do some small damage mostly if you use it when your brain is still developing.
There are dangers that come from marijuana not related to the biological health risks. Using this fact, compared to what we eat and drink everyday marijuana is much more dangerous.

It can do some small damage mostly if you use it when your brain is still developing.
That answers so many questions I've had...

mattsmith48
December 18th, 2016, 10:28 PM
There are dangers that come from marijuana not related to the biological health risks. Using this fact, compared to what we eat and drink everyday marijuana is much more dangerous.


What risk are you talking about?

Leprous
December 19th, 2016, 06:53 AM
For medical purposes, yes, only as a perscription drug though. For recrational purposes: no. I do believe that it has allot of medical purposes but it shouldn't be used just to have fun.

Kahn
December 19th, 2016, 11:57 AM
For recrationo ... it shouldn't be used just to have fun.

If used responsibly, why not? An individual can't die from overconsumption. Withdrawal and addiction to the substance exist, I've experienced them first hand, but compared to the symptoms of other substances (alcohol, cigarettes, cocaine, crack, heroin, meth, the vast array of street-level pharmaceuticals, etc.) consequences are mild.

Leprous
December 19th, 2016, 12:04 PM
If used responsibly, why not? An individual can't die from overconsumption. Withdrawal and addiction to the substance exist, I've experienced them first hand, but compared to the symptoms of other substances (alcohol, cigarettes, cocaine, crack, heroin, meth, the vast array of street-level pharmaceuticals, etc.) consequences are mild.

Yes they are mild, but if sold for medical purposes, it shouldn't be used as a recreational drug when bought as medicin. I just feel like it shouldn't be available to the general public

Kahn
December 19th, 2016, 12:17 PM
but if sold for medical purposes, it shouldn't be used as a recreational drug when bought as medicin. I just feel like it shouldn't be available to the general public

Is there reason behind the feeling or is it really you just feel that way? Smoking the substance in leisure (or consuming it through an edible or a vape) is far different from using it for medicinal purposes.

I agree, it should be medically available. However, it should not be medically available to smoke. They can isolate and extract the medicinal compounds of marijuana and design medicines specific to a certain ailment. I think that "smoking" marijuana for the high should be left out of the medical conversation.

Recreationally, it should be available to smoke, imho. Better for taxes, better for the ~50% of Americans who use. They'll no longer have to purchase through shady drug dealers or black markets. There will be government regulation (which I'm not a big fan of but it is necessary in the narco industry), there will be no more criminality involved with the victimless sale/use of the drug.

Honestly, just look at the benefits already being experienced in British Colombia, Washington, and Colorado.

mattsmith48
December 20th, 2016, 10:35 AM
Yes they are mild, but if sold for medical purposes, it shouldn't be used as a recreational drug when bought as medicin. I just feel like it shouldn't be available to the general public

Why shouldn't it be available to the general public?

Reece L
December 27th, 2016, 07:05 PM
Tobacco deaths yearly: 6m
Alcohol deaths yearly 1.2m
Deaths from meth yearly; 390k
Deaths from coke yearly 200k
Deaths from energy drinks yearly: 70K
Deaths from obesity yearly: 490k
Deaths from accident overdose on pharmacy drugs yearly: 500k
Deaths from choking on food: 20k yearly
Deaths from diabetes: 20-10k yearly
Deaths from been hit by cars busses etc yearly: 1-2k
Murders yearly (whole world) 251k
Deaths from e cigs: yearly 5k
Deaths from cannabis in history: 000

Cannabis.... Safer then food, and cars, and energy drinks!

NewLeafsFan
January 2nd, 2017, 02:43 AM
I wish that you mentioned where you live. In Canada we are currently looking at and actively planning the legalization of recreational marajuanna usage.

Personally, I think that it should be sold, controlled, and taxed by the government.

I am not a user, but I think that people should have the right to do what they want.