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Exocet
December 3rd, 2016, 03:51 PM
François Fillon to be right-wing candidate in crucial French Presidential election

François Fillon, known by some as the "French Thatcherite", will be the mainstream conservative candidate in Frances Presidential election next year.

The race has been watched closely, as the candidate is expected to face the populist far-right leader of Front National, Marine Le Pen, after populist campaigns have delivered electoral shocks in the US and the UK. A socialist candidate is also expected to run.

Fillon, a relative outsider when the race to pick the Republican candidate began, swept to victory over Alain Juppé, the early favourite. Another candidate, the former President, Nicolas Sarkozy, was eliminated in the first round.

The victory of Fillon means the Republicans will put up a social conservative, a man who voted against same-sex marriage. He is also an economic reformist, who wants to push back the retirement age and scrap the wealth tax. He is on good terms with Vladimir Putin.

After winning roughly 66.6 per per cent of the vote, compared to Juppé's 33.4 per cent, Fillon pledged to "change" France's "software".

Although Republicans have picked a candidate to the right of their party, and Le Pen has softened her party's tone in recent years, key dividing lines remain. Fillon is critical of the EU, but believes France should reform it from within, whereas Le Pen has demanded a Frexit.

Fillon has also shown impatience with the UK, saying Brexit should be "fast" and there should be no financial passports for Britain's banks.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2016/11/fran-ois-fillon-be-right-wing-candidate-crucial-french-presidential

Finally in 2017,the Republicans will get a real right wing candidate with strong values. It's good that Alain Juppé,the candidate of the weak right,the candidate of the multiculturalism and happy identity lost badly. A second round between Le Pen and Fillon will be awesome.

Stronk Serb
December 4th, 2016, 04:58 AM
I am rooting for Le Pen just so I can see the EU crash and burn faster.

Porpoise101
December 4th, 2016, 03:34 PM
Fillon could be a good thing to divide the right, I suppose. It will probably take more share away from Le Pen if he can play his cards right.

Desynchronized
December 5th, 2016, 10:05 AM
Dude france is gonna get ruined.

Exocet
December 5th, 2016, 01:42 PM
Dude france is gonna get ruined.

Why and how ?

Porpoise101
December 5th, 2016, 05:37 PM
Dude france is gonna get ruined.
Not as ruined than what would happen to an FN-controlled France. I agree that Fillon is sub-optimal, but he is damage-control at this point.

Exocet
December 5th, 2016, 06:01 PM
Not as ruined than what would happen to an FN-controlled France. I agree that Fillon is sub-optimal, but he is damage-control at this point.

As if it was the FN's fault if France has a €2,2 trillion debt,as if it was their fault that there are ghettos all over the country,as if it was their fault that hundreds of french were killed in terror attacks,as if it was their fault if poverty is rising.... and I could go like this for hours. The Front National was never given a chance to be in power,while all others failed and brought misery to our country. I don't see how it could be any worse.

Porpoise101
December 5th, 2016, 06:17 PM
As if it was the FN's fault if France has a €2,2 trillion debt,as if it was their fault that there are ghettos all over the country,as if it was their fault that hundreds of french were killed in terror attacks,as if it was their fault if poverty is rising.... and I could go like this for hours. The Front National was never given a chance to be in power,while all others failed and brought misery to our country. I don't see how it could be any worse.
It can always get worse.

You don't vote in a different party to make things worse, or even to destroy the government which you don't like. In my view, that is wrong because it inhibits the government from governing. Instead, you vote in people which are qualified, knowledgeable, and who show concern for the people of your nation. And this means all people, because you cannot just ignore the immigrants and refugees, even if you may want to. Instead, you must acknowledge them if you want to actually deal with the problem.

As for recent safety concerns and the poverty, I agree that those should be dealt with. France has many issues stemming from it's socialist-lead government and poor policies. But it is a bad idea to vote for a fringe leader when you are in a situation which demands unity and cooperation. I also think you are being overdramatic with you lamenting, as France is actually doing well on some fronts. Moping about the bad parts whilst ignoring the good is another dangerous mistake to make.

Also, you seem to be saying that the leap to Fillon would be marginal, while choosing the FN would be the logical choice. This is wrong, switching to one ideology so fast will only result in ruin. If you want FN, so be it. But allow a more moderate choice in if you want to avoid ruin and soften the blow.

Paraxiom
December 8th, 2016, 03:34 PM
Your sporadic presence returns!

I would not be surprised a lot of this Fillon person wins the election, taking the strong reactionary right/far-right movement in recent years/months. Of course, I wouldn't want him to win, but I am not betting on my preference (or lack of preference against).

Reise
December 8th, 2016, 04:05 PM
I wanna move to Canada.

Seriously, I can't stand the populism's rise anymore.
Not that Fillon is especially populist, but, you know, the World.

Paraxiom
December 8th, 2016, 05:04 PM
I wanna move to Canada.

Quebec?

I do incidentally have a desire to go there, but not to Quebec for reasons of my lack of language-learning skill (from experience at least).


Seriously, I can't stand the populism's rise anymore.
Not that Fillon is especially populist, but, you know, the World.

A force to perhaps be reckoned with in a future of its multiplied presence.

Reise
December 8th, 2016, 05:17 PM
Quebec?

I do incidentally have a desire to go there, but not to Quebec for reasons of my lack of language-learning skill (from experience at least).
No, not Quebec, I can't handle their accents and the constant "francisation" of English words.
But I assume there are a lot of very nice places to live in there.

Paraxiom
December 8th, 2016, 05:22 PM
No, not Quebec, I can't handle their accents.
But I assume there are a lot of very nice places to live in there.

A major advantage is the large region it is in itself, yes.


[...]Fillon pledged to "change" France's "software".

Into something like Windows Vista?

Vlerchan
December 9th, 2016, 01:05 PM
I wanna move to Canada.

Seriously, I can't stand the populism's rise anymore.
Not that Fillon is especially populist, but, you know, the World.
I'm the same. Ireland is relatively populist-free. Recent events have actually gotten so bad that I'm reconsidering emigrating when I've completed education.

Exocet
December 16th, 2016, 03:38 PM
Into something like Windows Vista?

More like from Windows XP to 10.