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PlasmaHam
November 26th, 2016, 12:56 AM
Fidel Castro, Cuba's former president and leader of the Communist revolution, has died aged 90, state TV has announced.
It provided no further details.

Fidel Castro ruled Cuba as a one-party state for almost half a century before handing over the powers to his brother Raul in 2008.

His supporters praised him as a man who had given Cuba back to the people. But his opponents accused him of brutally suppressing opposition.

In April, Fidel Castro gave a rare speech on the final day of the country's Communist Party congress.
He acknowledged his advanced age but said Cuban communist concepts were still valid and the Cuban people "will be victorious".
Source (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-38114953)
This was apparently just revealed by the Cuban government only a few minutes ago, and the consensus is that the message is true. Fidel Castro, leader of the Cuban communist revolution and a dictator of Cuba for nearly 5 decades has died from unknown causes. This is still very early on so I do not have any other details.

Dalcourt
November 26th, 2016, 03:16 AM
R.I.P El Comandante.

A charismatic leader and politician who stood to his words and visions whether you think good or ill of it.
And quality you rarely find today.

Flapjack
November 26th, 2016, 09:36 AM
I like that he was for the people of his country and he done great things for Cuba such as improving their eduction and healthcare systems and whilst I know he did do terrible things I do believe that he did what he truly believed was in the best interests of his people. It should also be noted that his rule was made more difficult by the US government constantly trying to topple him. He was also an extremely brave man, surviving over 638 documented attempts by the CIA to kill him.

However we should not forget the atrocities he had committed such as the firing squads, sinking a tugboat with innocent women and children on board and shooting down an American civilian plane killing 4 people.

Porpoise101
November 26th, 2016, 07:08 PM
Apparently there was celebrations in Miami, where the anti-Communist Cuban community is centered.

rioo
November 27th, 2016, 04:31 AM
RIP for the great cuban leader.

Today I just saw worker with big visible che guevara tattoo on his arm. maybe peoples actually know about revolution or only the story.

The Byrd
November 27th, 2016, 01:54 PM
The only good communist is a de-

I'm not even gonna go there...

KITHP
November 27th, 2016, 04:45 PM
not sure why some of you seem to have liked him. He was a cruel dictator. Maybe he did done good this.but overall he hurt his people. Meanwhile i don't know if his brother is any better but he's also a dictator And the Cuban people deserve democracy along with the right to choose their own leader. I think it's telling they the head off Syria and north Korea are mourning his loss.

For the record while I'm no communist i am not anti socialism.or at least there are some good things about socialism like free health care.

StoppingTom
November 30th, 2016, 08:40 PM
I don't get why people are romanticizing this guy, especially fellow liberals. It makes no sense. This guy was a dickhead.

PlasmaHam
November 30th, 2016, 09:23 PM
I don't get why people are romanticizing this guy, especially fellow liberals. It makes no sense. This guy was a dickhead.

Talk about it. I understand why politicians and other people would have neutral opinions on his death, but I do not understand the praise people keep throwing at him.

The guy was a brutal dictator! He may have done some good for Cuba, but it was all done at gunpoint. Castro is right up there with Hitler and Stalin on the deaths of political prisoners. He nearly caused WWIII over his arrogance, and violates basic human rights on a daily basis.

Kacchon
November 30th, 2016, 09:24 PM
I don't get why people are romanticizing this guy, especially fellow liberals. It makes no sense. This guy was a dickhead.

Funny thing is, some of those people are the same ones who have been calling Trump a fascist for the last year.

StoppingTom
November 30th, 2016, 09:28 PM
Talk about it. I understand why politicians and other people would have neutral opinions on his death, but I do not understand the praise people keep throwing at him.

The guy was a brutal dictator! He may have done some good for Cuba, but it was all done at gunpoint. Castro is right up there with Hitler and Stalin on the deaths of political prisoners. He nearly caused WWIII over his arrogance, and violates basic human rights on a daily basis.

It makes no sense to me, the argument is that "Oh, Bautista was bad though!!" like, the Weimar Republic sucked but that doesn't justify Hitler?

Funny thing is, some of those people are the same ones who have been calling Trump a fascist for the last year.

People seem hell-bent on Che Guevara'ing him.

Dalcourt
November 30th, 2016, 09:55 PM
I don't get why people are romanticizing this guy, especially fellow liberals. It makes no sense. This guy was a dickhead.

Talk about it. I understand why politicians and other people would have neutral opinions on his death, but I do not understand the praise people keep throwing at him.

The guy was a brutal dictator! He may have done some good for Cuba, but it was all done at gunpoint. Castro is right up there with Hitler and Stalin on the deaths of political prisoners. He nearly caused WWIII over his arrogance, and violates basic human rights on a daily basis.

The thing you two criticise clearly works both way.

You far easier see fault in politicans/societies etc. that basically don't concern or are of a different culture you while you don't see that those you support/live in have the same faults cloaked by your familiar surroundings.

I could give more examples and explain it better as I discussed this with a friend elsewhere but this would be off topic.

StoppingTom
November 30th, 2016, 10:10 PM
The thing you two criticise clearly works both way.

You far easier see fault in politicans/societies etc. that basically don't concern or are of a different culture you while you don't see that those you support/live in have the same faults cloaked by your familiar surroundings.

I could give more examples and explain it better as I discussed this with a friend elsewhere but this would be off topic.

It's not like I'm not aware of the problems here at home, or that I don't actively participate in causes that concern me, it's that there are people who are literally whitewashing the fact that Castro was a murderer and a bully who imprisoned political opponents or subjected them to slave labor in tobacco/sugar plantations, and jailed entire families of people trying to escape Cuba.

PlasmaHam
November 30th, 2016, 10:28 PM
The thing you two criticise clearly works both way.

You far easier see fault in politicans/societies etc. that basically don't concern or are of a different culture you while you don't see that those you support/live in have the same faults cloaked by your familiar surroundings.

I could give more examples and explain it better as I discussed this with a friend elsewhere but this would be off topic.

I understand your comment if we were comparing two countries that were in the same ball park as each other. But Cuba and the USA are not even in the same planet when it comes to comparisons.

I am criticizing Fidel Castro for being a murderous dictator who controlled Cuba with an iron fist and very nearly caused WWIII with his recklessness. You tell me how I am apparently blinded to the same thing happening in the USA.

This reminds me of something I have read before, history lesson kids! In the 1930's, Walter Duranty was a prominent NYT reporter who went over to Soviet Russia to report on how the country looked nearly 20 years after the Communist Revolution. Duranty's article described the USSR as a paradise, where everyone was happy and the workers need not worry about being hungry. Duranty reported from Russia for years, repeating this extremely positive rhetoric and even won a Pulitizer for it. However, in reality over 10 million Ukrainians were killed by the government during Durantly's time in Russia, in which it was later reveal he knew about but purposely lied because Duranty was a staunt supporter of socialism and wanted to show people how "great" socialism was.

I feel a similar thing happening here, people have always denied horrific acts to further their political goals.

StoppingTom
November 30th, 2016, 10:38 PM
This reminds me of something I have read before, history lesson kids! In the 1930's, Walter Duranty was a prominent NYT reporter who went over to Soviet Russia to report on how the country looked nearly 20 years after the Communist Revolution. Duranty's article described the USSR as a paradise, where everyone was happy and the workers need not worry about being hungry. Duranty reported from Russia for years, repeating this extremely positive rhetoric and even won a Pulitizer for it. However, in reality over 10 million Ukrainians were killed by the government during Durantly's time in Russia, in which it was later reveal he knew about but purposely lied because Duranty was a staunt supporter of socialism and wanted to show people how "great" socialism was.

I feel a similar thing happening here, people have always denied horrific acts to further their political goals.

It'd be one thing if we were both of the same political mind, but we are at literal opposite ends up the spectrum saying how awful this guy was. The idea of anyone ignoring history in order to support their own political ideology disgusts me.

Dalcourt
November 30th, 2016, 10:46 PM
I understand your comment if we were comparing two countries that were in the same ball park as each other. But Cuba and the USA are not even in the same planet when it comes to comparisons.

I am criticizing Fidel Castro for being a murderous dictator who controlled Cuba with an iron fist and very nearly caused WWIII with his recklessness. You tell me how I am apparently blinded to the same thing happening in the USA.

This reminds me of something I have read before, history lesson kids! In the 1930's, Walter Duranty was a prominent NYT reporter who went over to Soviet Russia to report on how the country looked nearly 20 years after the Communist Revolution. Duranty's article described the USSR as a paradise, where everyone was happy and the workers need not worry about being hungry. Duranty reported from Russia for years, repeating this extremely positive rhetoric and even won a Pulitizer for it. However, in reality over 10 million Ukrainians were killed by the government during Durantly's time in Russia, in which it was later reveal he knew about but purposely lied because Duranty was a staunt supporter of socialism and wanted to show people how "great" socialism was.

I feel a similar thing happening here, people have always denied horrific acts to further their political goals.

If you read my statement you'd see that I don't tell anyone anything. It is just a completely neutral statement. I never stated my own opinion about about Castro's politics nor criticised others opinions about it. I never talked about any specific country or society or whatever...No two countries are in the same ball park as far as I am concerned even if they think they are...the cultural differences are just preventing this...sometimes you aren't even in the same ball park if you live in different parts of the same country and I don't talk about the US in this.
So what people make of my statement is all in their own interpretation.

Typhlosion
December 1st, 2016, 02:15 AM
Good riddance.

If you read my statement you'd see that I don't tell anyone anything. It is just a completely neutral statement. I never stated my own opinion about about Castro's politics nor criticised others opinions about it.

R.I.P El Comandante.

A charismatic (not neutral) leader and politician who stood to his words (not neutral) and visions whether you think good or ill of it.
And quality you rarely find today. (not neutral)

I'm pretty sure a communist leader and visionary wouldn't sever the rights of his people, nor be a multi-millionaire while the people earn shit. Jesus, just look at any modern recording of Cuba and you'll see... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-mUZRP-fpo

Paraxiom
December 1st, 2016, 05:09 PM
I've not much else to say other than he was a dictator who evidently was responsible for more than a significant amount of suffering, but his actions compared to the past leaders of Cuba and his interactions with other states has shown him to deserve recognition and some degree of respect.