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phuckphace
November 9th, 2016, 02:55 AM
or MAGAthread, if you will http://i.imgur.com/MclEtyn.gif

http://i.imgur.com/5f6Ph7h.png

Lying Press totally and utterly BTFO!! they tried to dissuade us with depressive doom and gloom, they tried making shit up, they tried turning up the damage control to 11, they tried everything but it was to no avail - Das Volk wasn't having it. tonight, we sent a giant FUCK YOU to the traitors in Washington D.C. in both parties and in the establishment media - The Great Realignment 2k16 has become reality.

back at the beginning of 2015 when I was a gloomy, pessimistic cuck, I saw no hope for this country and fully expected us to vote ourselves out of existence in November 2016. I remember my despairposting, throwing my hands up with a petulant "what's the use, it's rigged anyway" attitude - thankfully, millions of other Americans didn't. I'm glad I snapped out of that shit, my friends, because I'm still young and we've got lots of work ahead of us still.

note the popular vote totals. as I predicted, it was by the width of a naked mole rat's ass hair. in another ten years immigration would've fucked us permanently on demographics and made any chance of taking our country back impossible. imagine if Jeb Bush had won the nomination - now THAT would be despair-worthy. I've been to Mexico a couple times, and trust me, you don't want to live there unless you're as rich as Trump.

in related news, Die Partei has also taken over the Reichstag!

...Soros, Ryan, Hiiillary...Ade, Ade, Ade!

[soundtrack] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkaZujSr6DM)

Ragle
November 9th, 2016, 03:31 AM
In this case, I expect of you great Greater Reich Americans that I can take a photograph of the Great American Wall from the Mexican side ... in exactly four years. And I want it to be at least 100 meters high, from west coast to east coast, so I can see America was big again.

Living For Love
November 9th, 2016, 04:02 AM
I'll admit I totally wasn't expecting Trump's victory, the media did everything they could to prevent his election. I'm just gonna grab some popcorn and browse social media, the amount of butthurtedness on Twitter and Facebook is beyond the imaginable right now.

Congratulations, Mr. President!

Jinglebottom
November 9th, 2016, 04:57 AM
Masha Allah!

Living For Love
November 9th, 2016, 05:53 AM
Trump isn't the president of the USA yet but he's already making America a better country. :cool:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2016/11/08/celebrities-leaving-u-s-trump-wins/

http://i.imgur.com/MGEL1iS.png

candorgen
November 9th, 2016, 06:01 AM
or MAGAthread, if you will image (http://i.imgur.com/MclEtyn.gif)

image (http://i.imgur.com/5f6Ph7h.png)

Sounds about right. :D


Lying Press totally and utterly BTFO!! they tried to dissuade us with depressive doom and gloom, they tried making shit up, they tried turning up the damage control to 11, they tried everything but it was to no avail - Das Volk wasn't having it.

I really think that the majority of the press have (at least) not intentionally lied about the situation before now. Instead most of the press traded information all over the place from other sources, giving a dangerous illusion that all of them were in control of their own stances (including to themselves). Confirmation bias was hugely around the place, but if there was any pro-Clinton agenda, it at most held a good but not-a-majority proportion of the press.

Basically, don't go collectively shaming everyone here...


tonight, we sent a giant FUCK YOU to the traitors in Washington D.C. in both parties and in the establishment media - The Great Realignment 2k16 has become reality.

I'll go metaphorical here by saying that you don't use lit thermite to get rid of liquid nitrogen.

This is now a far-bigger alternate form of the whole 'fundamentalist theist (bible thumpers (humpers?)' / 'fundamentalist anti-theist (Dawkins)' dichotomy.

Congratulations.


back at the beginning of 2015 when I was a gloomy, pessimistic cuck [...]

How things have changed since then!


I saw no hope for this country and fully expected us to vote ourselves out of existence in November 2016. I remember my despairposting, throwing my hands up with a petulant "what's the use, it's rigged anyway" attitude - thankfully, millions of other Americans didn't. I'm glad I snapped out of that shit, my friends, because I'm still young and we've got lots of work ahead of us still.

I see no hope for the USA, period.

You may have voted yourself out of existence anyway, depending on the interpretation of 'existence' here.

There is potential for great transition nevertheless, and not limited to the US.


note the popular vote totals.

It does. Your populism has reached its goal. (Trump's goal, may I add, not yours.)


[soundtrack] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkaZujSr6DM)

*facepalm*


I'll admit I totally wasn't expecting Trump's victory, the media did everything they could to prevent his election. I'm just gonna grab some popcorn and browse social media, the amount of butthurtedness on Twitter and Facebook is beyond the imaginable right now.

You haven't seen tumblr...

phuckphace

Speaking of which, I do agree with you in a few select ways (careful now) that tumblr can lose the metaphorical plot. Three quarters of my dashboard is now filled with irrational reactions to the results and I'm generally just spamming the scroller down the page to get things which are not about it.

It's like the brexit reaction but of greater magnitude, basically. I'll see if this dies down by any appreciable level within a week actually (compared to like 3 days for brexit). I wouldn't be surprised if it just keeps going though indefinitely, especially because Trump has a new environment to do whatever it is next that he intends.


Trump isn't the president of the USA yet but he's already making America a better country. :cool:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2016/11/08/celebrities-leaving-u-s-trump-wins/

image (http://i.imgur.com/MGEL1iS.png)

The Canadians are probably not appreciating the general plan of many to evacuate there now.

The significant difference between the politics of the US and Canada is quite noteworthy.

Living For Love
November 9th, 2016, 06:20 AM
The Canadians are probably not appreciating the general plan of many to evacuate there now.

The significant difference between the politics of the US and Canada is quite noteworthy.
That's funny, shouldn't these people be moving to Mexico or any other "culturally diverse" country that they adore so much?

candorgen
November 9th, 2016, 06:25 AM
That's funny, shouldn't these people be moving to Mexico or any other "culturally diverse" country that they adore so much?

I'm sure many in the south will.

Not sure where you are going with that.

Porpoise101
November 9th, 2016, 07:19 AM
Well congrats I guess. Good on you. Now the Republicans have control of the House, Senate, most State Governments, and soon the Presidency and the Supreme Court. Let's see what happens when everything is controlled by them...

Anyways, it's the Democrats faults more than it was the Republicans charm and appeal. The Dems nominated a terrible candidate with little real opposition (Bernie doesn't count). Imagine if they actually tried instead of just having a fringe socialist try to compete. The Republicans did a good job getting their message out, but the Dems are at fault for not getting a real candidate that people were at least ambivalent to.

candorgen
November 9th, 2016, 07:35 AM
What is interesting is that Trump has said that everyone should now work together. I do wonder if he is questioning the democrat-republican two-party system, purely speculative though.

Stronk Serb
November 9th, 2016, 07:58 AM
Well, most of the country is under Reichpublican control, so are the branches of the government. The Democrats quite literally blew their chance to put the GOP in the ground. I salute Trump, the man went from nothing to President, I hope he lives up to the expectations of the voters.

Vlerchan
November 9th, 2016, 08:54 AM
Now the Republicans have control of the House, Senate, most State Governments, and soon the Presidency and the Supreme Court. Let's see what happens when everything is controlled by them...
I do wonder whether Congressional Republicans will stand up to Trump, since he doesn't have a majority of support within Congress, even if his party holds both houses. But perhaps his party thinks that maxing on cultural grievance politics is a way forward for them, though I can't see how.

I have also spent the entire race lamenting that Trump's policies won't do much to alleviate the pain that his base feels. Since Republican's control basically everything, I do wonder, when it comes down to it, where the blame will be placed: an unpatriotic media or scheming business elites or foreign entanglements.

Democrats dropped the ball, nonetheless.

That's funny, shouldn't these people be moving to Mexico or any other "culturally diverse" country that they adore so much?
Canada is well known for it's politco-legal embrace of multiculturalism, and has a significant population of first- and second-generation immigrants.

I salute Trump, the man [who] went from nothing to President[.]
I am so tempted to have this as my signature.

StoppingTom
November 9th, 2016, 08:59 AM
in positive news the girl i've been dating and i have made plans to fake our deaths and escape to barcelona as a result of this

i've always wanted to fake my death

Living For Love
November 9th, 2016, 09:03 AM
[...]an unpatriotic media[...]
Honestly, does anyone still "believe" in anything media says after Brexit and after this election? I know most news networks are associated with certain political parties, but having journalists clearly expressing their own opinion on air instead of just presenting the facts as they are is too bad to be true. Media is possibly the biggest loser in this election, not Hillary.

Hyper
November 9th, 2016, 09:08 AM
It was funny seeing how crooked the US media is.

I genuinely thought its harder to get worse than my countries media, but ohh boy ever since I've started watching a little of US media... My eyes have been opened.

phuckphace
November 9th, 2016, 09:08 AM
http://i.imgur.com/zKw0tSA.jpg

Star Spangled Banner? more like DIE FAHNE HOCH

in positive news the girl i've been dating and i have made plans to fake our deaths and escape to barcelona as a result of this

i've always wanted to fake my death

no don't ily fam :(

candorgen
November 9th, 2016, 09:11 AM
Honestly, does anyone still "believe" in anything media says after Brexit and after this election? I know most news networks are associated with certain political parties, but having journalists clearly expressing their own opinion on air instead of just presenting the facts as they are is too bad to be true. Media is possibly the biggest loser in this election, not Hillary.

You need to specify which media you mean. It is pretty clear that at least some republican-oriented media has benefited hugely from this. I think you mean journalists and their viewpoints rather than media companies themselves, because the more outrage there is the more stuff gets sold.

Media always benefits from every US election overall, in my view.

Hyper
November 9th, 2016, 09:12 AM
Does anyone know how much money was spent on this clown fiesta campaigning?

Living For Love
November 9th, 2016, 09:16 AM
Does anyone know how much money was spent on this clown fiesta campaigning?
Probably enough money to build The Wall.

candorgen
November 9th, 2016, 09:30 AM
Does anyone know how much money was spent on this clown fiesta campaigning?

I see over 71M USD.

[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign,_2016#Campaign_finances ]


Probably enough money to build The Wall.

No.

Estimates are way over 10G USD (such as 25G), and 705M maintenance per year.

[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Donald_Trump#Border_wall_between_U.S._and_Mexico ]

Living For Love
November 9th, 2016, 09:44 AM
No.

Estimates are way over 10G USD (such as 25G), and 705M maintenance per year.

[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Donald_Trump#Border_wall_between_U.S._and_Mexico ]
I was just kidding, though...

You didn't include Hillary's campaign costs.

Hyper
November 9th, 2016, 09:45 AM
I see over 71M USD.

[ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign,_2016#Campaign_finances ]




Hmm I see 1.1 billion combined from Wiki, here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_presidential_campaign,_2016#Fundraising)

Vlerchan
November 9th, 2016, 09:52 AM
Honestly, does anyone still "believe" in anything media says after Brexit and after this election?
To make that unpopular answer, Yes.

Though, if you mean pollsters, there seems to be methodological issues in the incorporation of rural opinion.

candorgen
November 9th, 2016, 09:56 AM
It was funny seeing how crooked the US media is.

I genuinely thought its harder to get worse than my countries media, but ohh boy ever since I've started watching a little of US media... My eyes have been opened.

What media do you mean?

If you're going to brand all US democratic media and some US republican media as just 'US media', then it is pretty misleading, it can make people think you want to do that, or (worse still) you actually want to do that.

As examples, are Fox News and Right Side Broadcasting (much smaller but still a thing) not US media outlets?


I was just kidding, though...

You didn't include Hillary's campaign costs.

I did not think you were asking for her's. Were you?


Hmm I see 1.1 billion combined from Wiki, here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_presidential_campaign,_2016#Fundraising)

Ah, right, you meant Clinton. I did not see her mentioned, hence my action.

Still not enough to build that wall, nowhere near it.

phuckphace
November 9th, 2016, 10:03 AM
The Wandering Economist™ weighs in:

http://i.imgur.com/mcVsvDB.png

these people are so clueless and sheltered that their visions of the giant trailer park behind New York City proper (as they imagine Middle America) aren't snide trolling or petulant shitposting, no, the truth is worse. they actually and seriously take this cartoonish conception to heart, and then stare in slack-jawed disbelief when reality hits.

Krugman is only one example, but a common denominator among all those like him is their self-imposed isolation from the common man. there's zero curiosity or desire for knowledge beyond what they think they already know, just the academic's arrogance and overconfidence in his "models" that treat people like a fleet of sociopathic robots built by an alien race.

I've got a model of my own that can't be beat. ECONOMISTS + ROPE + LAMP-POST. SOME ASSEMBLY REQUIRED.

dxcxdzv
November 9th, 2016, 10:06 AM
Shall we assume TTIP is definitely dead?

candorgen
November 9th, 2016, 10:16 AM
Shall we assume TTIP is definitely dead?

I summon Vlerchan with a natural D20.

(I don't know or care enough myself.)


they actually and seriously take this cartoonish conception to heart, and then stare in slack-jawed disbelief when reality hits.

I'm fine with granting that not treating your recurrent opponent seriously can be risky for you later on.


Krugman is only one example, but a common denominator among all those like him is their self-imposed isolation from the common man. there's zero curiosity or desire for knowledge beyond what they think they already know, just the academic's arrogance and overconfidence in his "models" that treat people like a fleet of sociopathic robots built by an alien race.

I've got a model of my own that can't be beat. ECONOMISTS + ROPE + LAMP-POST. SOME ASSEMBLY REQUIRED.

Okay, this is pretty odd to say if you think that this does not capture Trump in some way as well.

Do you see it that Trump is not transcending the 'common man' with his wealth, arrogance, and overconfidence?

Vlerchan
November 9th, 2016, 10:28 AM
there's zero curiosity or desire for knowledge beyond what they think they already know, just the academic's arrogance and overconfidence in his "models" that treat people like a fleet of sociopathic robots built by an alien race.
1. Models are intended to demonstrate that a change in one variable causes a change in another or others, inside a simplified system. No economist claims that is an accurate representation of reality.

2. Econometricians work to collect evidence and find support for the hypothesis contained in these models - in these, to get unbiased results, economist try to find IVs to control for the complexities of reality. If the hypothesis is rejected, the model is rejected.

3. Political-scientists have done a done a considerable amount of work on ethnic resentment and long-run political outcomes. Economists have collected evidence that demonstrates that ethnic and racial fragmentation affects the composition of government policies. Economists have collected evidence that demonstrates that differing levels of ethnic fragmentation affects levels of growth across the very long-run, with large amounts affecting it negatively.

4. Whether immigrants are good, or bad, is a political question. Economists just compile evidence of the fiscal and wage affects.

5. You're generalizing from prejudices and not any experience reading the economic literature, or you'd know (1), (2) and (3).

6. Krugman is a trade theorist.

Shall we assume TTIP is definitely dead?
Yes, yes we shall.

Porpoise101
November 9th, 2016, 10:44 AM
Electoral College don't fail us! Don't fail the elite!
Edit: they could justify it because Clinton does have more votes. Just a thought though I still doubt they will do anything.

Honestly, this will determine whether the founders were right to have an electoral college and whether it works as it should.

Babs
November 9th, 2016, 12:46 PM
Of course you had a photo hot and ready for the occasion.

phuckphace
November 9th, 2016, 07:27 PM
Vlerchan - my claim is that if their Weltanschauung had any validity, it would seem that they'd be less baffled by this sort of outcome than they are.

I find it very ironic that we see this phenomenon any time the proles don't lock step with their tune - the phenomenon of Smart People™ blinking stupidly at things that aren't even that deep or difficult to grasp.

I think this is part of a broader issue that I've touched on before - where the deadly combination of high intelligence and ivory towers leads not only to cognitive stratification but also the Smart People's™ habit of dreaming up overly complex Rube Goldberg "solutions" to simple problems. the immigration question is one such issue, where we supposedly need a bureaucratic system of vetting and visas and queues when the simpler and more elegant solution is to seal the border because we have millions of natives already.

Honestly, this will determine whether the founders were right to have an electoral college and whether it works as it should.

invoking the founders is probably a bad idea in this context because Clinton would've had several tens of millions fewer popular votes were it not for mass immigration, an incomprehensible inanity to the Powdered Wig cru.

this, by the way, can be jointly laid at the feet of both parties (amnesty).

Of course you had a photo hot and ready for the occasion.

:D

Hyper
November 9th, 2016, 09:24 PM
What media do you mean?

If you're going to brand all US democratic media and some US republican media as just 'US media', then it is pretty misleading, it can make people think you want to do that, or (worse still) you actually want to do that.

As examples, are Fox News and Right Side Broadcasting (much smaller but still a thing) not US media outlets?


What? I don't get what you are saying at all.

I mean all of your media, which side it is biased towards is irrelavant.

Porpoise101
November 9th, 2016, 10:26 PM
invoking the founders is probably a bad idea in this context because Clinton would've had several tens of millions fewer popular votes were it not for mass immigration, an incomprehensible inanity to the Powdered Wig cru.
Mass immigration was certainly comprehensible. But they were mixed at best towards it. I remember reading quote about Benjamin Franklin's annoyances with the many German immigrants in Pennsylvania. I think he would have had a stroke if he saw Philly today. Many of the founders were slave owners, so aside from European immigration, they had another type of immigration in mind as well. As for seeing these former slaves vote however, that is to be determined.

I think the biggest thing that would have pissed off the founders is that we allow non-landowners to vote because so many of them were into this idea of an agrarian paradise.

I was referring to the Electoral College system mostly because they set it up to keep the 'best of the nation' in power (read: elites). So if the Electoral College allows Trump through, I think it's fair to say that it isn't really serving its intended purpose of being a stop-gap measure to populists. The other intended measure is to skew the election towards smaller states, but I think we've seen that effect in about every election.

phuckphace
November 9th, 2016, 10:35 PM
don't forget, it's Kristallnacht today! also known as Night of the Long Shitposts:

http://i.imgur.com/FZmJ7mC.png

literally shaking rn tbh goy

I would suggest that Mark move to the Promised Land, but on second thought, the fundie blackhats would probably get stabby. the redhats here in Murica seem like his best bet, but of course that's not going to stop him from banging out 6 million word kvetchposts about the phantom right wing death squads that will mysteriously never appear :lol3:

phuckphace
November 10th, 2016, 04:51 AM
in other news, Nigel wants to become the God-Emperor's Ambassador to the EU

http://i.imgur.com/lQJuVK2.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/JqCTnU1.png

Vlerchan
November 10th, 2016, 11:54 AM
@Vlerchan - my claim is that if their Weltanschauung had any validity, it would seem that they'd be less baffled by this sort of outcome than they are.

I find it very ironic that we see this phenomenon any time the proles don't lock step with their tune - the phenomenon of Smart People™ blinking stupidly at things that aren't even that deep or difficult to grasp.
I'm not reading bafflement. In the run up to the election there was wide recognition of the anger and discontent amongst the white working class. I can link to dozens of articles attempting to diagnose the cause - racial resentment and post-industrial anxieties are the top two.[/quote]

What Krugman is talking about in that tweet - connecting it with his blog - is that the sense if disillusionment with the direction of the nation - clear in polling data for detached dataheadsto examine - is strong enough that it has overwhelmed the sense of decency and moralism that has characterised historical US politics. That the anger is so large as to decide to vote in - what liberals see - as someone as crass and manifestly unprepared as Donald Trump.

No-one doubts the anger or resentment and thus the connection between input and output is clear - there is no bafflement.

I think this is part of a broader issue that I've touched on before - where the deadly combination of high intelligence and ivory towers leads not only to cognitive stratification but also the Smart People's™ habit of dreaming up overly complex Rube Goldberg "solutions" to simple problems. the immigration question is one such issue, where we supposedly need a bureaucratic system of vetting and visas and queues when the simpler and more elegant solution is to seal the border because we have millions of natives already.
The solutions proposed to mediate immigration flows is predicated on the desire to alllow immigrants into
the United States as has been common policy across governments since the foundation of the state. It's been researched because people wanted an efficient means of processing immigrants - after it had been decided that immigrants will be coming. You are not criticising the solutions - sinxe it's not a question of immigrants versus no immigrants*: You're criticising the research agenda - a reaction to immigration as it occurs in real-life. Your misgivings about immigration bare no relevance - at all - to whether what has been suggested by economists is a good means of controlling immigration inflows.

In other words 'vetting and visas is good market design in this instance' is an independent claim to the idea that 'this instance is good'.

Here's a good and recent market-design paper (http://www.nber.org/papers/w20830) which discusses the negative reputational externalities that occur when sellers on platforms such as EBay and Uber don't internalise the entire cost of bad sales - i.e. a bad experience with one seller results in a lower likelihood of someone interacting with other sellers on that platform. Note that (1) it models interactions as if individuals are sociopathic aliens, (2) it demonstrates that this is correct with an analysis of the trade data, (3) it suggests a solution to the issue raised in the paper.

To reinforce the above claim. That the economists in this paper are endorsing a means of controlling for an issue that Uber faces does not mean that the authors endorse Uber.

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* There's a literature on what the costs and benefits of immigration are. Borjas (2015) wrote on entire book on it - Card and another (2016) wrote a response criticising it's underestimation of the benefits of immigration. Borjas - who's quite critical of immigration - happens to be one of the biggest names in the economics of migration. Here's a random quote from his blog (which I read more than Krugmans).

The globalists have for far too long ignored that globalization, whether due to an increase in imports or an increase in immigration, has inevitably harmed some people in the industrialized countries.

https://gborjas.org/2016/11/01/angus-deaton-on-responsible-nationalism/

He lives in a tower called Harvard. (It might be worth noting that Deaton won the Nobel Prize last year and opposed Trump in this election)

NB: Written from mobile. I'd love to introduce us all to some great market design research later.

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Oh and whilst I'm here:
The Chinese markets - including Chinese manufacturing - didn't budge in indication that the markets don't believe Trump's rhetoric on bringing those jobs home. The Mexican market did though - I imagine in response to the idea of a tax on remittances.

Living For Love
November 10th, 2016, 01:55 PM
The thing that bothers and scares me the most is the way people instigate rebellion against an election, which is one of the basic pillars of a democracy. I read an article on a Facebook page (not very bright of me, I know) with the following title (something like this): "Does the republican victory mean democracy is not working properly?" I mean, republicans win, people say democracy sucks, had the democrats won, they would probably say everything is safe and sound. Can you see the inconsistency in this?

Some people went to the streets and protested against the election. Those people aren't only protesting against Trump's victory. They are protesting against freedom of vote, freedom of expressing a different opinion, democracy and elections. Those people don't support a democratic state. Those people don't accept the choice of the American people. Those people don't accept that other people have an opinion different of theirs.

Trump won because people voted on him, period. The Americans chose and decided. We all see that argument here in Europe "oh, Americans are stupid and dumb, they elected Trump!" Hell, if they elected him, it was for some reason, wasn't it? They chose him over Clinton. And why did they chose him over her? One of two reasons: either Trump is really really good (I don't think so) or Clinton is really really bad!

TLDR: There are people with different opinions, please respect them. Like someone whose name I can't remember now said: I don't agree with what you say, but I'll defend to death the right you have to say it. (cliché)

Vlerchan
November 10th, 2016, 02:16 PM
Living For Love:

I agree that the outcome of the election should be respected.

Though that the Trump must have some redeemable qualities because he was elected is an appeal to the majority and doesn't necessarily follow.

Living For Love
November 10th, 2016, 02:23 PM
Living For Love:

I agree that the outcome of the election should be respected.

Though that the Trump must have some redeemable qualities because he was elected is an appeal to the majority and doesn't necessarily follow.
Right.

Also, I think Trump will be assassinated by a fanatic with some kind of psychiatric disorder before he reaches the end of his mandate.

Porpoise101
November 10th, 2016, 05:27 PM
The thing that bothers and scares me the most is the way people instigate rebellion against an election, which is one of the basic pillars of a democracy. I read an article on a Facebook page (not very bright of me, I know) with the following title (something like this): "Does the republican victory mean democracy is not working properly?" I mean, republicans win, people say democracy sucks, had the democrats won, they would probably say everything is safe and sound. Can you see the inconsistency in this?
Perhaps the reason the article said that was to get more clicks. I know a lot of liberals are upset because Clinton did get more of the popular vote. But because of the way our democracy is set up, we have an electoral college which makes a false majority. Of course, the integrity of the election should be upheld. But to criticize a potentially broken process is not harmful in my view.

I personally do think that the democracy in the US is not working well, and it really has not been for a while. Only about 7% of the American electorate chose Clinton and about the same for Trump. And remember: Trump was pulling record turnout! To me this shows how broken US elections are. If only 14% of voters are really participating in the primary elections (which arguably matter the most), how are we supposed to weed out unpopular candidates like Trump or Clinton?

If there is any good news/improvements to democracy in the US it's that Maine insituted ranked choice voting as apart of a referendum.

candorgen
November 11th, 2016, 05:53 PM
What? I don't get what you are saying at all.

I mean all of your media, which side it is biased towards is irrelavant.

I don't know what you mean by 'my' media, and I generally do not adhere to media.

It was funny seeing how crooked the US media is.

I genuinely thought its harder to get worse than my countries media, but ohh boy ever since I've started watching a little of US media... My eyes have been opened.

If bias is irrelevant, do you mean that US media does not give enough information, or is too vague, or something else?


don't forget, it's Kristallnacht today! also known as Night of the Long Shitposts:

image (http://i.imgur.com/FZmJ7mC.png)

I think shitposting involves some intention to be such, as part of what counts as it.


literally shaking rn tbh goy

Don't over-exert yourself!


in other news, Nigel wants to become the God-Emperor's Ambassador to the EU

image (http://i.imgur.com/lQJuVK2.jpg)

image (http://i.imgur.com/JqCTnU1.png)

How wonderful.


The thing that bothers and scares me the most is the way people instigate rebellion against an election, which is one of the basic pillars of a democracy. I read an article on a Facebook page (not very bright of me, I know) with the following title (something like this): "Does the republican victory mean democracy is not working properly?" I mean, republicans win, people say democracy sucks, had the democrats won, they would probably say everything is safe and sound. Can you see the inconsistency in this?

The election system is the election system, and it should not be selectively opposed by some because of a undesired elect to them, I totally agree (a similar reaction happened with the brexit referendum).


Trump won because people voted on him, period. The Americans chose and decided. We all see that argument here in Europe "oh, Americans are stupid and dumb, they elected Trump!" Hell, if they elected him, it was for some reason, wasn't it? They chose him over Clinton. And why did they chose him over her? One of two reasons: either Trump is really really good (I don't think so) or Clinton is really really bad!

People did vote for him yes, but they voted because they either see/feel Trump to be really good and/or because they see/feel Clinton to be really bad.


I don't see democracy as the answer to running a country, but if a democracy is to be run, I like the idea of it being consistently/actually run as it is said to be. The USA is said to be a representative democracy, where evaluations of quality by voters are supposedly not based on nice appearances/impressions and positive feelings.

I mean this in general, not as a reactionary stance specifically to this election.


Also, I think Trump will be assassinated by a fanatic with some kind of psychiatric disorder before he reaches the end of his mandate.

Certainly possible - someone did try to do just that in May/June but they happened to have a neurodivergent nature, rather than a psychiatric disorder as you expect it to be.

Vlerchan
November 13th, 2016, 01:36 PM
He also confirmed that another election promise, to build a wall with Mexico, still stood but could include fencing.

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37969112

Literally Lol'd.

Has anyone else noticed that he's sound increasingly like any other politician? Reminds me of the Menken quote - considering independents entering politics - which to paraphrase suggests that a virgin that enters a whorehouse will either jump out the nearest window, or cease to be a virgin.

Except in this case it seems like it's his base who is getting fucked.

candorgen
November 13th, 2016, 05:04 PM
He also confirmed that another election promise, to build a wall with Mexico, still stood but could include fencing.

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37969112

Literally Lol'd.

I did as well.


Has anyone else noticed that he's sound increasingly like any other politician? Reminds me of the Menken quote - considering independents entering politics - which to paraphrase suggests that a virgin that enters a whorehouse will either jump out the nearest window, or cease to be a virgin.

Except in this case it seems like it's his base who is getting fucked.

It certainly appears so.

phuckphace A penny for your thoughts? :D