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EuRo
November 8th, 2016, 10:12 PM
This thread won't be relevant for long, but while the vote counts are how they are right now, let's have a discussion.

Currently the vote count is favoring Trump over Hillary.

What do you think of Trump currently doing better than Hillary?

https://i.imgur.com/yBTk7bp.png

german_boy
November 8th, 2016, 10:35 PM
It's almost sure he will be the next president. I would have voted for Johnson but if I have had to choose between Clinton and Trump, I'd have voted for Trump, mainly because of Clinton's foreign policies.

phuckphace
November 8th, 2016, 10:41 PM
looking good so far but still way too early to call

Babs
November 8th, 2016, 11:36 PM
btw, for anyone that was raised by wolves, you can get a live feed of the results on google https://www.google.com/search?q=election+results+2016+usa&oq=elec&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i60j69i57j69i61l2j0.767j0j7&{google:bookmarkBarPinned}sourceid=chrome&{google:omniboxStartMarginParameter}ie=UTF-8#eob=enn/p//0/0///////////

Hideous
November 9th, 2016, 12:18 AM
209 : 244 right now, oh gosh I'm so stressed about this election.

Exocet
November 9th, 2016, 01:07 AM
Those saying since the start he didn't even stand a chance.... those saying he'll make 1%.... and now he's likely to win.... HAHAHAH.

devotionnel
November 9th, 2016, 01:08 AM
It looks like Trump is gonna win it...

ThisBougieLife
November 9th, 2016, 01:09 AM
Orange is the new Barack

Stronk Serb
November 9th, 2016, 01:14 AM
This is the day of the God-Epmeror's Ascendancy. Also the Republicans got a majority in Congress and for now I think they are beating the dems for Senate seats. They need like 2 for a majority.

Uniquemind
November 9th, 2016, 01:35 AM
He's won.

As of this moment I alter the rules for myself.

I shall no longer hold valid the merits of being polite as a worthy quality because they are the qualities of losers.

Power is the only rule that exists now.

Neither shall I promote non-violence or peace in accordance with school rules. The rules now have no merit.


Apparently my country doesn't see sexual assault as something that's abhorrent, but rather something you must tolerate and make peace with.

phuckphace
November 9th, 2016, 01:38 AM
Orange is the new Barack

this is the credited response

Babs
November 9th, 2016, 01:57 AM
well i'll be damned

Gumleaf
November 9th, 2016, 02:16 AM
well i'll be damned

Well that basically sums it all up!!! lol


I think Sydney's "The Daily Telegraph" describes the day the best:
http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/oo12/newyjets/IMG_7617_zpshhsea0m7.jpg (http://s357.photobucket.com/user/newyjets/media/IMG_7617_zpshhsea0m7.jpg.html)

AgentHomo
November 9th, 2016, 02:20 AM
We are so fucked. God fucking damnit why did this happen!?! i just want to kill myself right now.

Flapjack
November 9th, 2016, 02:23 AM
I feel so sorry rn for Americans right now!! Hope he doesn't effect the rest of the world that much but I suspect he will.

Reise
November 9th, 2016, 02:27 AM
We live in The Matrix and robots that are using our bodies as energy source are trolling us.

EuRo
November 9th, 2016, 02:38 AM
Trump has now won.

Ragle
November 9th, 2016, 04:04 AM
God fucking damnit why did this happen!?! i just want to kill myself right now.


cause fools vote for fools and Big D is the greatest fool.

but don't. it'll be a funny time fooling around with those fools, if you can develop the right attitude to see it more chilled, cause it hardly can become more worse.

Paraxiom
November 9th, 2016, 04:45 AM
Those saying since the start he didn't even stand a chance.... those saying he'll make 1%.... and now he's likely to win.... HAHAHAH.

Well hello again.



Power is the only rule that exists now.

[...]

Apparently my country doesn't see sexual assault as something that's abhorrent, but rather something you must tolerate and make peace with.

Power tended to be the only rule anyway, though. It just so happens now that someone was a half-literal evil genius and completely warped most people's naive perceptions of reality (including the opponents) as a tool for it.


We are so fucked. God fucking damnit why did this happen!?! i just want to kill myself right now.

Please don't.


well i'll be damned

Preferable.

Kacchon
November 9th, 2016, 04:54 AM
I've been expecting this to happen since late last year.

Uniquemind
November 9th, 2016, 05:14 AM
I guess the end times will be fulfilled afterall in scripture.

Paraxiom
November 9th, 2016, 06:07 AM
I've been expecting this to happen since late last year.

You did well.


I guess the end times will be fulfilled afterall in scripture.

Well it certainly will be the end of some things, and the recently-current political environment, I expect.

Uniquemind
November 9th, 2016, 06:27 AM
You did well.




Well it certainly will be the end of some things, and the recently-current political environment, I expect.

Well he's threatened to cut the department of education, transportation, energy, among other federal programs.

This impacts us teens and will directly impact me because I will be going to college during the years in which he will be in office. I will likely not have the 35K needed to go to college. Let alone another 22K for apartment rents in the area if I choose to live off campus.

I can expect no student financial aid because that is a division of the department of education.

Periphery
November 9th, 2016, 06:34 AM
The part I liked most about his speech was the kid standing next to him falling asleep

Paraxiom
November 9th, 2016, 06:36 AM
Well he's threatened to cut the department of education, transportation, energy, among other federal programs.

Time to see if he does what he says.


This impacts us teens and will directly impact me because I will be going to college during the years in which he will be in office. I will likely not have the 35K needed to go to college. Let alone another 22K for apartment rents in the area if I choose to live off campus.

I can expect no student financial aid because that is a division of the department of education.

I don't doubt it at all. A friend of my sister has her work in the UK threatened because of the PM's plan to get rid of immigrants who earn less than 35K per year.

Uniquemind
November 9th, 2016, 06:42 AM
We are so fucked. God fucking damnit why did this happen!?! i just want to kill myself right now.

Because democrats vote idealistically and don't vote as a locked block like republicans do.

Typhlosion
November 9th, 2016, 08:06 AM
I stayed up all night (the elections only ended around 6 AN here) to watch it and, boy, was I surprised. It was exciting waiting hour after hour seeing the Clinton prediction turn into Trump's victory.

PlasmaHam
November 9th, 2016, 08:14 AM
Because democrats vote idealistically and don't vote as a locked block like republicans do.

Well, I don't blame Democrats for not wanting to vote in Clinton.

This is so funny, watching most all of you spilling your liberal outrage over Trump's win. I am so totally going to milk this for as long as I can, because you really do crack me up.

Please don't stop, I love seeing y'all act like spoiled children, and your apocalyptic rants are hilarious.

Uniquemind
November 9th, 2016, 09:19 AM
Well, I don't blame Democrats for not wanting to vote in Clinton.

This is so funny, watching most all of you spilling your liberal outrage over Trump's win. I am so totally going to milk this for as long as I can, because you really do crack me up.

Please don't stop, I love seeing y'all act like spoiled children, and your apocalyptic rants are hilarious.

Trump said he would repeal a lot of what us young students need to start college.

The investments I have from my parents in the stock market are tanking this morning.

And your first reaction is to find enjoyment at some very real consequences I saw coming my way because somehow in your mind "liberal" points of view are demonized?

People didn't vote on policy and on research this election. They voted solely on character personas, and that's disturbing because that's NOT what the founding fathers theorized. They theorized people would vote in their self-interests on a somewhat logical basis, not hysteria.

Paraxiom
November 9th, 2016, 09:43 AM
And your first reaction is to find enjoyment at some very real consequences I saw coming my way because somehow in your mind "liberal" points of view are demonized?

It's one reason I have no hope for the US.


People didn't vote on policy and on research this election. They voted solely on character personas, and that's disturbing because that's NOT what the founding fathers theorized. They theorized people would vote in their self-interests on a somewhat logical basis, not hysteria.

What is disturbing for me is that it is disturbing for most who realise that people are voting through emotional drives rather than intellectual ones.

This was taken advantage of by use of psychoanalysis in advertising in the early-mid 1900s that focused on your desires rather than you needs, and in the US overthrowing a democratically-elected moderately-capitalist leader in Guatemala in 1954, by branding him a communist.

I feel that most 'democracy' in the world is done through a strong trend of implying that what is best is what looks nice and makes you feel good about yourself through simplifying the world in a convenient way, rather than the supposed qualities democracy is meant to run with.

It's unfortunately not a surprise for me then that this evil genius Trump will be presumably the next president. In a twisted way the voters have got who they deserve.

Uniquemind
November 9th, 2016, 09:51 AM
It's one reason I have no hope for the US.




What is disturbing is that it is disturbing for most who realise that people are voting through emotional drives rather than intellectual ones.

This was taken advantage of by use of psychoanalysis in advertising in the early-mid 1900s that focused on your desires rather than you needs, and in the US overthrowing a democratically-elected moderately-capitalist leader in Guatemala in 1954, by branding him a communist.

I feel that most 'democracy' in the world is done through a strong trend of implying that what is best is what looks nice and makes you feel good about yourself through simplifying the world in a convenient way, rather than the supposed qualities democracy is meant to run with.

It's unfortunately not a surprise for me then that this evil genius Trump will be presumably the next president. In a twisted way the voters have got who they deserve.

Oh exactly.

But the checks and balances system won't work in this instance because one party controls all 3 branches of government.

This will be a massive overhaul of what it means to be Republican.

And freedoms will be lost.


Society is quickly coming to a situation where law has no more merit anymore, people will do what they need to do to survive in their daily life.


Sure I'll give Trump a chance to grow jobs and the economy and I'll give credit where credit is due, but if his promises turn out to be flat out pandering...he's just like any other politician.

Paraxiom
November 9th, 2016, 10:08 AM
Oh exactly.

But the checks and balances system won't work in this instance because one party controls all 3 branches of government.

This will be a massive overhaul of what it means to be Republican.

Do you mean 'checks and balances' economically?


And freedoms will be lost.

If you mean social freedoms, then yes.


Society is quickly coming to a situation where law has no more merit anymore, people will do what they need to do to survive in their daily life.

Well, I think that a direct war itself will be what causes that, and 'daily life' will mean little or nothing like what it means now.

I think that because people have the extremely strong trend of going with the crowd and pretending that things are alright. Current society runs through mass self-enactment of laws subconsciously which are perceived implicitly through messages which all come through the media. Rarely does law actually get directly enforced, because people get the message more than well enough indirectly, like an engineered peer pressure of sorts.

Many people hate some/all of their politicians/government and/or how economics is run, but as there are very few instances of such people getting together coherently with a plan to do something, most of these people still do their jobs and formal social functions like most other people such that effectively they don't dislike the politics/economics at all. Not much happens.

It's one thing to want an alternative and another to act on it, for which it is rare to see the latter happening with the former. The start of Occupy Wall Street was an example.


Sure I'll give Trump a chance to grow jobs and the economy and I'll give credit where credit is due, but if his promises turn out to be flat out pandering...he's just like any other politician.

We shall hopefully soon see what it'll be.

ThisBougieLife
November 9th, 2016, 10:22 AM
Well, I don't blame Democrats for not wanting to vote in Clinton.

This is so funny, watching most all of you spilling your liberal outrage over Trump's win. I am so totally going to milk this for as long as I can, because you really do crack me up.

Please don't stop, I love seeing y'all act like spoiled children, and your apocalyptic rants are hilarious.

It's fair. I would've rubbed it in hard if Clinton had won, since there would've been a similar reaction. "It's WWIII! We elected a crook! Maybe she'll still be indicted!" I think both sides were pretty convinced the other side is "the apocalypse", but in the end it's just going to be a big disappointment.

phuckphace
November 9th, 2016, 10:32 AM
This is so funny, watching most all of you spilling your liberal outrage over Trump's win. I am so totally going to milk this for as long as I can, because you really do crack me up.

Please don't stop, I love seeing y'all act like spoiled children, and your apocalyptic rants are hilarious.

okay fam, I don't mean to rain on your Trumpfstaffel parade here but I don't think it's a very productive use of your time to engage in this kind of smug over-trolling of your posting enemies here on VT.

I get that it's very tempting but you have to keep in mind that the middle finger we threw up last night was for the Establishment and the traitors therein, in Washington D.C. that's where our priorities are, because those people with actual power actually came very close to destroying our country for good. by contrast a few millennials on VT having views you disagree with is hardly surprising or concerning - they have their views and their reasons for holding them, so what? we're all young here and young people are known for believing silly things - I'm sure in another couple of decades our views will be altered, if not radically so, by experience and age.

I'm staying away from social media for the time being. I'm not sure how anyone could find reading through pages of crying liberals hilarious - personally I find it cringey and unfunny if not outright depressing that a lot of what would've been normal Americans in a different era have been captured by the Establishment that we're trying to overthrow. we need to MAGA so these people can defect from the Left as it goes down like a sinking ship, and maybe someday we'll finally have a true VOLKSGEMEINSCHAFT again.

Exocet
November 9th, 2016, 02:03 PM
Well hello again.

Wassup ?

Paraxiom
November 9th, 2016, 02:15 PM
Wassup ?

Trundling along ROTW style, not much otherwise.

Vlerchan
November 9th, 2016, 03:11 PM
I'm sure in another couple of decades our views will be altered, if not radically so, by experience and age.
Or developments in the literature.

But I think the sentiment in this post is exactly correct.

The Left - Like I feel the Right does in turn - has something to offer to politics. This is the moment where rather than lavish in their victory the Right can make the conscious decision to strike a bipartisan posture on issues of Economics and Trade and so forth. You don't need to incorporate Left-wing viewpoints - as victors that's your right - but opening a line of legitimate communication is a powerful act in itself.

ThisBougieLife
November 9th, 2016, 03:25 PM
^Sounds somewhat pie-in-the-sky, but I hope you're correct. That is, at least, along the lines of what Trump was proclaiming in his speech last night. We shall see if it rings true in practice. That the right will now have control over the three branches of government (following Trump's Court appointee), there may not be much need for communication.

Vlerchan
November 9th, 2016, 03:32 PM
^Sounds somewhat pie-in-the-sky, but I hope you're correct. That is, at least, along the lines of what Trump was proclaiming in his speech last night. We shall see if it rings true in practice. That the right will now have control over the three branches of government (following Trump's Court appointee), there may not be much need for communication.
It is pie-in-the-sky*: but it is either hope it's correct or get used to talking to ourselves, which isn't going to help things in the long-run.

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* Though I am a bit less cynical than that honestly. I don't believe that Trump will be able to win the next election with the same coalition: he will need to start opening himself up to left-of-centre concerns if he wants a second term.

StoppingTom
November 9th, 2016, 03:43 PM
you know what we need in this time of divisiveness

further separating yourself from your fellow man through gloating/flaming/pants-pissing whininess

i'm not happy with the results of this election but it's over and you need to turn your eyes to the future and what you can do to make it a better place to live in

phuckphace
November 9th, 2016, 04:02 PM
there's potential because this is a populist wave, after all. I've spent a lot of my ROTW posting time railing against the rigid and dogmatic tendencies of the pseudo-cons, who view issues in isolation, have huge hangups over words like "socialism" and blame the Left for their own ineptitude. I'm going to admit that about 80% of my own post-victory smugness rests with seeing these people discredited.

with the neocon fools ousted, I think it will be easier than some of you might think. earlier this year when Bernie was campaigning I noted the overwhelming whiteness of his supporters and the unmistakable crypto-nationalist sentiment therein. there's really no telling how many Berniebros publicly switched over to Clinton or claimed they'd stay home but then secretly cast a "fuck you vote" for Trump in the booth. undeniably there is a big segment of the Left that doesn't care for Clinton-style Eye of Soros globalism and just wants a steady job and a safe community, and we can deliver that. it's not about scorched-earth trolling and memes, it's about the future and what kind of world we'll be growing up in, and building a better one. when you give people hope, hearts and views can be changed.

DVDan19
November 9th, 2016, 04:13 PM
Hey guys !
Good luck with Canada ! I know it's hard to change suddenly of country but I'm sure it's pretty enough.
And they eat Poutine and they speak french et ša monsieur, oui, j'approuve.

Uniquemind
November 11th, 2016, 06:09 AM
there's potential because this is a populist wave, after all. I've spent a lot of my ROTW posting time railing against the rigid and dogmatic tendencies of the pseudo-cons, who view issues in isolation, have huge hangups over words like "socialism" and blame the Left for their own ineptitude. I'm going to admit that about 80% of my own post-victory smugness rests with seeing these people discredited.

with the neocon fools ousted, I think it will be easier than some of you might think. earlier this year when Bernie was campaigning I noted the overwhelming whiteness of his supporters and the unmistakable crypto-nationalist sentiment therein. there's really no telling how many Berniebros publicly switched over to Clinton or claimed they'd stay home but then secretly cast a "fuck you vote" for Trump in the booth. undeniably there is a big segment of the Left that doesn't care for Clinton-style Eye of Soros globalism and just wants a steady job and a safe community, and we can deliver that. it's not about scorched-earth trolling and memes, it's about the future and what kind of world we'll be growing up in, and building a better one. when you give people hope, hearts and views can be changed.

So wait you actually believe illuminati conspiracy theory?

Stronk Serb
November 11th, 2016, 02:01 PM
Oh exactly.

But the checks and balances system won't work in this instance because one party controls all 3 branches of government.

This will be a massive overhaul of what it means to be Republican.

And freedoms will be lost.


Society is quickly coming to a situation where law has no more merit anymore, people will do what they need to do to survive in their daily life.


Sure I'll give Trump a chance to grow jobs and the economy and I'll give credit where credit is due, but if his promises turn out to be flat out pandering...he's just like any other politician.

It looks like the Republicans are in absolute control, but the party leadership hates Trump. Unless Trump strongarms party leadership from them, he will be very limited in power. I heard he announced the old trick of large-scale public infrastructure projects as a means to create jobs, a thing Roosevelt and Hitler used in their day to make jobs, and it worked. Maybe it will now if the US rail system get's modernized. I mean, it is on par with the Serbian rail system and by comparison of size, population, economy and development, it is an insult to the US.

Vlerchan
November 11th, 2016, 03:00 PM
I heard he announced the old trick of large-scale public infrastructure projects as a means to create jobs, a thing Roosevelt and Hitler used in their day to make jobs, and it worked.
Yes* - But at a time of historically high unemployment and and capital under-utilisation. Not at a point where there are emerging shortages in the construction sector and unemployment - otherwise - is quite low. If there was a time to invest in infrastructure it was 2008 - 2012. Engage in it now - all likelihood - it is just going to create incentives for people to train to work in a sector that won't be able to support their numbers in the long-run**.

I'm not claiming there won't be productivity returns but it's dubious that the gains of such a programme will begin to outweigh the benefits. Talk in markets is that this will feed inflation more than it feeds growth.

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*-ish: I have never seen studies of the German Depression-era stimulus but there's open questions about whether it restored growth in the use (see: C. Romer 1990, etc.).

** If you want to just help working class people out train them up to work in the mid- to high-skill labour shortages that are emerging in the manufacturing sector (https://www2.deloitte.com/us/en/pages/about-deloitte/articles/press-releases/skills-gap-public-perceptions.html).

Paraxiom
November 11th, 2016, 04:33 PM
there's potential because this is a populist wave, after all.

It's a critical factor in his victory, yes.


I've spent a lot of my ROTW posting time railing against the rigid and dogmatic tendencies of the pseudo-cons, who view issues in isolation, have huge hangups over words like "socialism" and blame the Left for their own ineptitude. I'm going to admit that about 80% of my own post-victory smugness rests with seeing these people discredited.

Alright then.


there's really no telling how many Berniebros publicly switched over to Clinton or claimed they'd stay home but then secretly cast a "fuck you vote" for Trump in the booth.

Agreed, a major weakness in trusting polls is because of that.


undeniably there is a big segment of the Left that doesn't care for Clinton-style Eye of Soros globalism and just wants a steady job and a safe community, and we can deliver that. it's not about scorched-earth trolling and memes, it's about the future and what kind of world we'll be growing up in, and building a better one. when you give people hope, hearts and views can be changed.

I'm open to seeing how the above will be delivered by Trump and Co., I reserve some (major?) scepticism in the background though.


So wait you actually believe illuminati conspiracy theory?

What do you mean? (Asking because I could be clearly missing something he said.)


It looks like the Republicans are in absolute control, but the party leadership hates Trump. Unless Trump strongarms party leadership from them, he will be very limited in power.

There is internal stress within the party, you are correct. Trump's comments in his victory speech on wanting everyone to come together to help the US add confusion as well though. We'll see what happens soon within the GOP (hopefully).


I heard he announced the old trick of large-scale public infrastructure projects as a means to create jobs, a thing Roosevelt and Hitler used in their day to make jobs, and it worked. Maybe it will now if the US rail system get's modernized. I mean, it is on par with the Serbian rail system and by comparison of size, population, economy and development, it is an insult to the US.

Hmm.

phuckphace
November 11th, 2016, 10:04 PM
I'm open to seeing how the above will be delivered by Trump and Co., I reserve some (major?) scepticism in the background though.

as is your prerogative :P but rather than gloating like some in this thread have been doing, it's my sincere hope that you'll be pleasantly surprised on this point.

What do you mean? (Asking because I could be clearly missing something he said.)

he was referring to my "Eye of Soros globalism" quip. he consistently struggles with parsing the subtleties of this "humor" thing and tends to interpret everything ultra-literally for reasons that I've given up on trying to grasp. oh well.

Paraxiom
November 13th, 2016, 05:11 PM
as is your prerogative :P but rather than gloating like some in this thread have been doing, it's my sincere hope that you'll be pleasantly surprised on this point.

Perhaps, perhaps.


he was referring to my "Eye of Soros globalism" quip. he consistently struggles with parsing the subtleties of this "humor" thing and tends to interpret everything ultra-literally for reasons that I've given up on trying to grasp. oh well.

I've got a set of unpatchable humour detection glitches myself in general, but I get what you mean. (I will respond to that post you had specifically on your humour and the stance with it.)

darla
November 14th, 2016, 03:21 PM
It's ok