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Flapjack
August 30th, 2016, 06:10 AM
Heyyyy guys xD I am trying to think of some new ROTW threads and looking for old threads so I can make a new thread with the same topic :)

Firstly I want to stress this is not a debate about whether or not Muslims are evil and trying to take over the world.

Do you think the goverment should regulate how we dress? Now there are 3 examples I can think of this :)



The hijab and other Muslim attire being banned.
Saggy pants being banned (here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagging_(fashion))is a link if you don't know what it is)
Political symbols being banned.

Obviously I think we should be free to wear whatever we want but this seems like a contested issue and the debate over this has filled so many other threads so I am here to give it a home.

PlasmaHam
August 30th, 2016, 09:40 AM
I believe in regulations over wearing shirts, shoes, pants,etc. The last thing most people want to see is your beer belly, genitalia, or a woman's bare breast in public. As for specific clothing items that don't fall under free speech restrictions(porn, gore, basically anything not safe for work), I am fine with free expression. But really, saggy pants are really just dumb from a safety standard, and probably fall under basic clothing requirements.

First, I would like to ask you. From what it sounds like, do you believe that we should be able to say and express any opinion without government restrictions?

Vlerchan
August 30th, 2016, 09:54 AM
There shouldn't be restrictions on expression that isn't incitement or slander.

Kyle37
August 30th, 2016, 10:21 AM
Firstly, I believe (at least here in Canada) the government really only deals with a universal restriction to clothing and attire. For the most part, they only directly disallow showing your genitals in public.
Taking it a step further and banning the hijab and other religious symbols would be impeding on our equity (even though I personally believe these articles of clothing are cancer). (I was going to use "freedoms" instead of "equity" but frankly freedom doesn't exist. But thats actually for another discussion.)
So for example, personally I wouldn't fight for a women's right to wear a hijab, but I wouldn't champion the movement to have it banned. Either way it doesn't really impact me.

Flapjack
August 30th, 2016, 11:22 AM
I believe in regulations over wearing shirts, shoes, pants,etc. The last thing most people want to see is your beer belly, genitalia, or a woman's bare breast in public. As for specific clothing items that don't fall under free speech restrictions(porn, gore, basically anything not safe for work), I am fine with free expression. But really, saggy pants are really just dumb from a safety standard, and probably fall under basic clothing requirements.
Oooo I never thought about the free nipple movement so thanks for bringing it up! I honestly just wanted some variety in what we debate xD

I agree beer bellies and stuff aren't the prettiest things to look at but I don't think we should regulate it :) If I wanna walk around topless on a sunny day, I want to have that choice!

As for the women's nipples I think they should have the same right as men to go topless but it seems you're opposed because you don't like people showing skin rather than the sexist reasons others have. The only thing I have to say to that buddy is that they have the right to wear what they want and you have a right to moan about naked people but not to force them to cover up.

Yeah saggy pants are dumb I 100% agree but I don't get why lawmakers are trying to regulate what some young twats are wearing xD


First, I would like to ask you. From what it sounds like, do you believe that we should be able to say and express any opinion without government restrictions?
Not if what you say is harassment or encourages harm to others. For example encouraging people to attack a certain person.

ThisBougieLife
August 30th, 2016, 11:28 AM
Other than a basic "no nudity" rule, no, I don't believe the government should pass any laws against hijabs, sagging pants, or even political symbols. Though private institutions are free to set their own dress codes.

Flapjack
August 30th, 2016, 11:32 AM
Other than a basic "no nudity" rule, no, I don't believe the government should pass any laws against hijabs, sagging pants, or even political symbols. Though private institutions are free to set their own dress codes.
Tbh I never seen why everyone is so afraid of nudity! I would never do it but if others want to, they're not harming anyone!

Dalcourt
August 30th, 2016, 01:08 PM
Tbh I never seen why everyone is so afraid of nudity! I would never do it but if others want to, they're not harming anyone!

Oh I'm sure enough people would feel sexually harrassed if they had to see others private parts.

And since extreme sagging is mainly a black people's thing I now feel extremely racially discriminate for all my colored brethren since everyone says sagging is stupid.
Well no, cuz I feel too that it is stupid...still I see no reason to outlaw it.
In my opinion people should be allowed to wear what they want cuz I see clothes as an expression of an individual's freedom.

EuRo
August 30th, 2016, 05:50 PM
I think people should be able to wear pretty much whatever they please as long as it doesn't physically hurt anyone. I'm pretty pro-free-speech, so I don't think a shirt that says "fug the goberment" should be banned. Only something that could literally hurt someone like massive spikes that protrude out two feet should be banned.

Paraxiom
August 30th, 2016, 07:14 PM
Heyyyy guys xD I am trying to think of some new ROTW threads and looking for old threads so I can make a new thread with the same topic :)


It's an good idea, looking at old threads.


I believe in regulations over wearing shirts, shoes, pants,etc. The last thing most people want to see is your beer belly, genitalia, or a woman's bare breast in public.

The breasts are a societal taboo that is not absolute to human nature, but in western society you are basically right. The examples you give make sense as reasons for clothing regulations, but only in a certain range of public settings (swimming pool v subway train, etc).

Would you be in favour for some legal framework that lays out legal criteria for clothing?


As for specific clothing items that don't fall under free speech restrictions(porn, gore, basically anything not safe for work), I am fine with free expression. But really, saggy pants are really just dumb from a safety standard, and probably fall under basic clothing requirements.

Please don't be in favour for some EU health and safety standard for the pants :P . (There's so much of that already.)


Tbh I never seen why everyone is so afraid of nudity! I would never do it but if others want to, they're not harming anyone!

Could have state-recognised nudist regions, if that helps.

If public areas are to be generally held to be optimal for the physical and mental well-being of everyone involved, social disturbance by generally perceived taboos would go against that. Personally I'm not fearful or with hatred of nudity, but I don't see it as feasible for it to be practiced around the place in the 'current' frame of social settings.

Education and 'slow' attempts to allow nudity generally in public would be the better option, if nudity is desired generally already of course.

Uranus
August 30th, 2016, 08:25 PM
oh hell no

Kawaii Bean
August 30th, 2016, 08:28 PM
The government already owns almost every right we have as humans. If they get involved in the way we want to dress then, man, that's past the limit. I understand if they have to check you for security reasons and such but we have free will to wear whatever we want,
as we please. After all this is America. "The Land of the Free".

lliam
August 30th, 2016, 11:02 PM
The hijab and other Muslim attire being banned.
Saggy pants being banned
Political symbols being banned.



to all three ... and other points : certainly not.


Although there may be here and specific reasons for dress codes, but in general it should be up to you to make a fool of yourself the way you dress in public.



https://i.imgflip.com/o0z1c.jpg

jamie_n5
August 31st, 2016, 11:09 AM
I don't think that the government has any right telling anyone what they can or can't wear. That would be a violation of our constitutional right to Freedom of Speech.

PlasmaHam
August 31st, 2016, 10:04 PM
Please don't be in favour for some EU health and safety standard for the pants :P . (There's so much of that already.)
I don't know about any of that. I'm just saying I don't want people going around publicly in their underwear. I don't care too much about what kind of pants you wear.

Paraxiom
September 1st, 2016, 06:40 PM
I don't know about any of that. I'm just saying I don't want people going around publicly in their underwear. I don't care too much about what kind of pants you wear.

It was half in humour what I said; is good to hear.

Flapjack
September 1st, 2016, 06:43 PM
I don't know about any of that. I'm just saying I don't want people going around publicly in their underwear. I don't care too much about what kind of pants you wear.
Why do you think you have the right to take away other people's right/freedom to choose what they want to wear?

Amethyst Rose
September 1st, 2016, 09:22 PM
I don't think that the government has any right telling anyone what they can or can't wear. That would be a violation of our constitutional right to Freedom of Speech.

My thoughts exactly.

PlasmaHam
September 2nd, 2016, 10:57 AM
Why do you think you have the right to take away other people's right/freedom to choose what they want to wear?

Do you think that government's have the right to arrest people on criminal charges for saying something slightly offensive? Why do you feel the right to take away private citizens' right to refuse service? Those are far more pressing issues regarding freedom that you seem to be ignoring.

Flapjack
September 2nd, 2016, 11:04 AM
Do you think that government's have the right to arrest people on criminal charges for saying something slightly offensive? Why do you feel the right to take away private citizens' right to refuse service? Those are far more pressing issues regarding freedom that you seem to be ignoring.
Because the thread is about this not that.....:D Also I am so tired of the oh well lets ignore this because that is worse argument.