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Flapjack
August 26th, 2016, 11:22 PM
I just wanted to post an update to the Burkini incident I told you guys about the other day :)

What do you guys think of this? Even if you support the ban this is government censorship.

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Dalcourt
August 26th, 2016, 11:42 PM
As the guy in the video said...for Americans it's great to see that we aren't the only crazy people in the world.

But seriously I really don't know how to express my opinion on this here without starting another fighting thread like the other you made about this topic.

Flapjack
August 27th, 2016, 12:11 AM
As the guy in the video said...for Americans it's great to see that we aren't the only crazy people in the world.

But seriously I really don't know how to express my opinion on this here without starting another fighting thread like the other you made about this topic.
I think the issue with the other topic is that people went off topic :P Talking about the news and what you think about it is fineeee :')

Periphery
August 27th, 2016, 12:16 AM
Wear whatever you want, but if you're gonna prevent one group of people to wear what they want ban all religious clothing. This way they're only making the issue worse honestly, why can the Jews wear their clothes but the Muslims can't?

Desynchronized
August 27th, 2016, 12:42 AM
I agree with the special one. They're making the problem even worse.

Exocet
August 27th, 2016, 02:31 AM
Don't worry,it's just a matter of time when the burkini will be banned. The socialists just surrendered,played the appeasement card and will try to grab some votes for the coming elections.

The muslims are using our freedoms to impose backward customs in our country,but people are still blind to figure that.
When a child wants something and you say no,he'll start to cry. You finally give him what he wants..... but in the future,he will ask for more. That's no different.

And I support our police officers that just enforce the laws,those threatening and insulting them should be punished harshly.

Periphery
August 27th, 2016, 03:22 AM
Don't worry,it's just a matter of time when the burkini will be banned. The socialists just surrendered,played the appeasement card and will try to grab some votes for the coming elections.

The muslims are using our freedoms to impose backward customs in our country,but people are still blind to figure that.
When a child wants something and you say no,he'll start to cry. You finally give him what he wants..... but in the future,he will ask for more. That's no different.

And I support our police officers that just enforce the laws,those threatening and insulting them should be punished harshly.

You also support the fact that Jews for example can run around with their stuff on without a problem? If you don't, please tell me why.

PlasmaHam
August 27th, 2016, 07:55 AM
I support free expression and speech. I feel this encroaches on that. However, most European countries clearly don't have free speech. Just look at the UK's laws about criminal charges for being rude and thought police, as well as EU internet censorship. Get rid of those laws, then it would seem fair to get rid of the burkini law. But as long as some form of free speech is seriously restricted, then I see no justification for the burkini being an exception.

As Peanut said, I'm not going further because this thread just seems like an attempt to restart the argument.

phuckphace
August 27th, 2016, 09:42 AM
You also support the fact that Jews for example can run around with their stuff on without a problem? If you don't, please tell me why.

Jews keep to themselves and seem to prefer it that way

Jews are Westernized, Muslims aren't and don't want to be

Jews don't try to make everyone else be a Jew too (you're too dumb anyway)

when triggered Jews will write scathing editorials about you and tell all their friends to not hire you. Muslims on the other hand will try to kill you. idk about you but I prefer not being killed so the Jews win again

HTH fam

Flapjack
August 27th, 2016, 10:05 AM
And I support our police officers that just enforce the laws,those threatening and insulting them should be punished harshly.
The authorities are suing over the pictures not threats. Do you not think that is censorship?

Dalcourt
August 27th, 2016, 10:23 AM
The authorities are suing over the pictures not threats. Do you not think that is censorship?

Of course this is a way of censorship. But first the pics are clearly spread for propaganda against this law. And if you promote protesting a certain law I guess they feel okay to sue....

And second if you spread pics you never know who looks at them. The faces of the people are shown so you could identify them. So as long as the faces aren't blurred it's not okay to just randomly spread them without their consent anyway.

Flapjack
August 27th, 2016, 10:28 AM
Of course this is a way of censorship. But first the pics are clearly spread for propaganda against this law. And if you promote protesting a certain law I guess they feel okay to sue....

And second if you spread pics you never know who looks at them. The faces of the people are shown so you could identify them. So as long as the faces aren't blurred it's not okay to just randomly spread them without their consent anyway.
I have some pretty complex views on this so I'll break them down :P Firstly, I don't blame the police as they were just enforcing the law and they might well be really nice people. I agree the pics are being spread as propaganda against the law. But that is where we stop agreeing :D

i do not think there is anything wrong with promoting protesting against or for a law!! As long as you're not promoting violence.

I personally would have blurred out the faces but as the photos were taken in public the photographer does have the right to do so.

I think they are suing because of the political backlash and not to protect the cops involved : )

Exocet
August 27th, 2016, 10:29 AM
The authorities are suing over the pictures not threats. Do you not think that is censorship?

The pictures reveal the officer's face and many made death threats and attacks against them. Those endangering our officers should be punished harshly.
We can't tolerate this also after an islamic terrorist cowardly killed an officer and his wife,where our police officers are at the front line of the anti terror fight.

Jews keep to themselves and seem to prefer it that way

Jews are Westernized, Muslims aren't and don't want to be

Jews don't try to make everyone else be a Jew too (you're too dumb anyway)

when triggered Jews will write scathing editorials about you and tell all their friends to not hire you. Muslims on the other hand will try to kill you. idk about you but I prefer not being killed so the Jews win again

HTH fam

It's just a matter of time before France is emptied of jews,who are fleeing to Israel because of immigrants antisemitism.

Jinglebottom
August 27th, 2016, 10:34 AM
It's just a matter of time before France is emptied of jews,who are fleeing to Israel because of immigrants antisemitism.
It's sad, considering France has the largest Jewish population in Europe (~500,000) and third largest in the world after Israel and the U.S. :|

Dalcourt
August 27th, 2016, 10:51 AM
This might maybe be a little off topic but I want you to think about.

In Germany for obvious reasons you aren't allowed to show Nazi symbols.
So supposed a German Neonazi would wear a t-shirt with a huge swastika symbol and Sieg Heil or something written on it and go to a local beach with that shirt.
Policemen would come up to him, tell him it's against the law, make him remove the shirt and fine him for wearing it.
People would film it,spread it on the internet and make Neonazis in the whole world support this guy by saying forcing him to strip was an infringement of is personal beliefs in the greatness of the Third Reich.
German authorities would then fine the people who put this video or pics online for spreading Nazi propaganda.
There wouldn't be violence involved and nothing.

Would the public outcry be the same?

Exocet
August 27th, 2016, 10:56 AM
It's sad, considering France has the largest Jewish population in Europe (~500,000) and third largest in the world after Israel and the U.S. :|

It's an old figure.
Last year it was estimated that they were 475.000,more and more leaving to Israel each years. While more than 7.000 jews left France in 2015,the number could rise to 10.000 this year.

Jinglebottom
August 27th, 2016, 11:07 AM
It's an old figure.
Last year it was estimated that they were 475.000,more and more leaving to Israel each years. While more than 7.000 jews left France in 2015,the number could rise to 10.000 this year.
They're better off in Israel either way, most French Muslims and conservatives really do not like Jews.

Mars
August 27th, 2016, 11:08 AM
Keep this thread on topic please

Periphery
August 27th, 2016, 01:00 PM
Jews keep to themselves and seem to prefer it that way

Jews are Westernized, Muslims aren't and don't want to be

Jews don't try to make everyone else be a Jew too (you're too dumb anyway)

when triggered Jews will write scathing editorials about you and tell all their friends to not hire you. Muslims on the other hand will try to kill you. idk about you but I prefer not being killed so the Jews win again

HTH fam

So Jews can wear religious shit because they're Jewish and Muslims can't because they're Muslims? This is more about equal rights rather than being about the religion itself.

jamie_n5
August 28th, 2016, 05:33 PM
I see no reason why the government should tell anyone what to wear. I can see that if they were naked in public that they could be told to put clothes on but not told what to wear as far as clothing.

Exocet
August 28th, 2016, 05:41 PM
I see no reason why the government should tell anyone what to wear. I can see that if they were naked in public that they could be told to put clothes on but not told what to wear as far as clothing.

Monokinis and thongs banned at "paris plages" --> Nobody cares.
Burkini banned --> world outrage,women should wear what they want,should not be told what they can wear and can't.....

Paraxiom
August 29th, 2016, 07:41 AM
Wear whatever you want, but if you're gonna prevent one group of people to wear what they want ban all religious clothing. This way they're only making the issue worse honestly, why can the Jews wear their clothes but the Muslims can't?

Agreed; I don't see such a similar situation going on if a group of nuns with their attire were at the beach.

Granted, if the same thing were to happen with the nuns then at least there would be consistency. Nevertheless, what I'm seeing is more of an anti-religious response by the authorities rather than a secular one (which is worse if it's also a selective response).

If a burkini is basically a cross between a burka and a swimsuit, I'm not seeing what problem is here. Is a religious agenda being explicitly or implicitly presented to the public? I do not think so.


Don't worry,it's just a matter of time when the burkini will be banned. The socialists just surrendered,played the appeasement card and will try to grab some votes for the coming elections.

I don't know what you mean here.



The muslims are using our freedoms to impose backward customs in our country,but people are still blind to figure that.


And I support our police officers that just enforce the laws,those threatening and insulting them should be punished harshly.

I summon the theoretical situation with nuns / monks.



When a child wants something and you say no,he'll start to cry. You finally give him what he wants..... but in the future,he will ask for more. That's no different.

If there is an agenda behind this; it is a modified swimsuit.


I support free expression and speech. I feel this encroaches on that. However, most European countries clearly don't have free speech. Just look at the UK's laws about criminal charges for being rude and thought police, as well as EU internet censorship. Get rid of those laws, then it would seem fair to get rid of the burkini law. But as long as some form of free speech is seriously restricted, then I see no justification for the burkini being an exception.

I agree.



It's just a matter of time before France is emptied of jews,who are fleeing to Israel because of immigrants antisemitism.

In keeping with your view, it is justified for Jews to flee a country because of perceived antisemitism (more just 'anti-jew-ism'), but it is totally unjustified for at least some Muslims (let me be excessively sympathetic to your view on the stats) to flee a country because of a major life-threatening war??

(Yes, this is off-topic, but still. I am fine with creating a ROTW thread on this if necessary.)


This might maybe be a little off topic but I want you to think about.

In Germany for obvious reasons you aren't allowed to show Nazi symbols.
So supposed a German Neonazi would wear a t-shirt with a huge swastika symbol and Sieg Heil or something written on it and go to a local beach with that shirt.
Policemen would come up to him, tell him it's against the law, make him remove the shirt and fine him for wearing it.
People would film it,spread it on the internet and make Neonazis in the whole world support this guy by saying forcing him to strip was an infringement of is personal beliefs in the greatness of the Third Reich.
German authorities would then fine the people who put this video or pics online for spreading Nazi propaganda.
There wouldn't be violence involved and nothing.

Would the public outcry be the same?

Good alternate example; I don't think the public outcry would be the same.

I see the difference between the burkinis and the nazi symbols to be that the latter are powerfully associated with a 'dark' period of history, whereas the former are not.


Monokinis and thongs banned at "paris plages" --> Nobody cares.
Burkini banned --> world outrage,women should wear what they want,should not be told what they can wear and can't.....

Some arguments there are that the monokinis and thongs are sexually suggestive, inappropriate for such a location. Beaches where nudity can be practiced would be different, as it is not such an easily accessible public place. This puts it out of the topic of secularism and that.

Anyway, I (and most people) wouldn't be able to even choose to care or not on the ban, if the media hardly reported on it (not as I saw it anyhow, I had to look it up and no news articles were top page even). Demonstrates how our response to events is already dependent on if we will sufficiently know of the event at all.

Flapjack
August 29th, 2016, 05:50 PM
Monokinis and thongs banned at "paris plages" --> Nobody cares.
Burkini banned --> world outrage,women should wear what they want,should not be told what they can wear and can't.....
I disagree with both but I think the difference is that one is targets a specific religion for no other reason than fear mongering and islamophbia.

I ask that if you want a debate on whether Burkinis being banned is good or not, start a threat in ROTW and I will debate it there but this is completely off topic here :) I made this thread announcing news about censorship. Not so it could be a debate on Burkinis.

PlasmaHam
August 29th, 2016, 08:50 PM
I disagree with both but I think the difference is that one is targets a specific religion for no other reason than fear mongering and islamophbia.

I ask that if you want a debate on whether Burkinis being banned is good or not, start a threat in ROTW and I will debate it there but this is completely off topic here :) I made this thread announcing news about censorship. Not so it could be a debate on Burkinis.

I see no difference between the two, but I'm just a conservative with an opinion. You are like about this being inappropriate for further debate. This thread shouldn't even exist, the original thread about this subject should be used for any discussion and debate.

Flapjack
August 30th, 2016, 01:47 AM
I see no difference between the two, but I'm just a conservative with an opinion. You are like about this being inappropriate for further debate. This thread shouldn't even exist, the original thread about this subject should be used for any discussion and debate.
How am I being inappropriate for further debate? The last thread was locked because it was off topic. If you want to debate it go start a thread in ROTW.