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phuckphace
December 8th, 2015, 12:48 PM
according to SCIENCE!, nicotine improves memory and cognitive function (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3151730/), and may protect users from Parkinson's and Alzheimer's disease. although using tobacco is obviously bad for you (cancer, breathing problems, it stinks, etc.) there are lots of other ways to take nicotine that are dramatically less risky to your health. and best of all, it's legal and very easy to get.

I noticed a big improvement in my memory retention and focusing ability after I starting using nicotine. my grandfather died of lung cancer but kept a sharp mind until the very end, while my grandmother OTOH never smoked and is showing more and more signs of dementia the last few years. I stopped smoking cigarettes (and like they always say, you shouldn't start) switched to a vape mod and haven't looked back. if you're thinking of quitting, go ahead and toss the cigs but IMO there's really no need to go cold turkey anymore now that e-cigs are big. who wants to forget shit all the time and then lose their marbles? I sure don't :D

tl;dr: nicotine good, tobacco bad

Judean Zealot
December 8th, 2015, 12:58 PM
Idk, I don't trust e-cigs. Like, they're enjoyable and all, but I have a feeling that whatever unknown chemical cocktails you're smoking can mess you up pretty badly.

CosmicNoodle
December 8th, 2015, 01:02 PM
I'd never have thought nicotine could actually have benefits. Could you provide a link to the study? I don't doubt you, just interested.

Fiction
December 8th, 2015, 05:09 PM
I've never noticed it increase my memory (although I have heard that before), but it definitely helps my concentration.

I've had a lot of coursework lately and i'm really bad at staying focused and getting on with it, something that i've found smoking a cigarette before hand really helps!

Human
December 8th, 2015, 09:32 PM
Well, the main bad part of smoking is the smoking itself. Caffeine can help improve memory on the short term as it's a stimulant like nicotine is. It's just that nicotine is delivered primarily in a way that gives it a bad name. If you take some kind of stimulant, you will probably have a sharper mind, nicotine or caffeine or cocaine (temporarily)

phuckphace
December 8th, 2015, 10:16 PM
I'd never have thought nicotine could actually have benefits. Could you provide a link to the study? I don't doubt you, just interested.

in the OP, but here's the link again ( :P ) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3151730/

basically, as Human noted it's the inhalation of burning tobacco that causes cancer and breathing problems. nicotine "addiction" in and of itself isn't a huge concern though given its beneficial effects.

I've found that nicotine is superior to caffeine when it comes to the stimulative effect since it doesn't make me jittery and fidgety like caffeine does. before I started using it I was pretty much useless in the morning because of brain fog, but vaping clears the mental cobwebs almost instantly

Stronk Serb
December 9th, 2015, 03:23 PM
I cannot focus hard in school until I smoke a rollie. It helps concentration. During studies I take a smoking break to clear my head out. I might swith to vaping but I am gonna get a good source, not just vape some cheap poison.

Abhorrence
December 9th, 2015, 04:07 PM
Damn, I learn this as I start to quit smoking and now I want to smoke again. :P

phuckphace
December 9th, 2015, 07:57 PM
Damn, I learn this as I start to quit smoking and now I want to smoke again. :P

vape that shit up, brah. after you quit cigs you'll find it's a lot easier to breathe :P

ya know the smoker's lung with random coughing? that all goes away when you vape!

xXl0sth0peXx
December 9th, 2015, 09:54 PM
Vaping doesn't appeal to me the way a cigarette does to be honest. It's like eating turkey bacon instead of bacon, or turkey burgers instead of beef burgers. They're both good, but they aren't a substitute for the other one if you want one. Like if I want a beef burger, having a turkey burger isn't going to satisfy that craving. If I want a cigarette, a vape isn't going to necessarily satisfy that craving. For some people, it might, and that's cool. I think vaping is a neat thing, and hell, I have a friend who runs a vape shop, and I have a lot of vape connections, as well as cigarette connections. There's pros and cons to both, and there's always studies about different things, who knows what's true. I don't disagree though that nicotine is good for you. I think it could have its benefits.

tl;dr: i'm gonna have a cigarette

lacey02
December 9th, 2015, 10:45 PM
Anything that makes you a slave is a problem. I like to choose without feeling forced what I eat or what I drink. I also dont trust companies that make the products that are addictive.

kryptonite
December 12th, 2015, 08:38 PM
Idk, I don't trust e-cigs. Like, they're enjoyable and all, but I have a feeling that whatever unknown chemical cocktails you're smoking can mess you up pretty badly.


Plus, it seems like a lot of them have been exploding lately... :eek::eek:

phuckphace
December 16th, 2015, 09:50 PM
e-cigarettes exploding is caused by faulty manufacturing. anything cheap from China carries this risk - see also exploding laptop batteries.

I find that nicotine users tend to be more chill and personable while non-smokers are mostly boring squares who like to cough melodramatically to let you know just how ugh disgusting your habit is. it makes you a slave! *downloads 10GB of porn*

I'm starting to suspect that the powers that be banned smoking from most public places to kill off the social aspect and drive us indoors to the TV. until a few decades ago you could smoke pretty much anywhere and nobody gave a fuck except finger-wagging liberals. it's bad for your health! *pushes acceptance of licentious sexuality*

Judean Zealot
December 18th, 2015, 03:57 AM
I find that nicotine users tend to be more chill and personable while non-smokers are mostly boring squares who like to cough melodramatically to let you know just how ugh disgusting your habit is. it makes you a slave! *downloads 10GB of porn*

Gee, thanks! :D

But seriously, I very rarely smoke (like, probably 2 smokes a month), and if I do it's either a proper cigar or something like a single joint of weed. Cigarettes are just disgusting and really bother everyone around you.

I can't stand rooms full of cigarette smoke, and it is really unhealthy. Over here you can smoke pretty much wherever you want, and I hate it.

phuckphace
December 18th, 2015, 10:08 PM
Gee, thanks! :D

But seriously, I very rarely smoke (like, probably 2 smokes a month), and if I do it's either a proper cigar or something like a single joint of weed. Cigarettes are just disgusting and really bother everyone around you.

I can't stand rooms full of cigarette smoke, and it is really unhealthy. Over here you can smoke pretty much wherever you want, and I hate it.

I've visited friends whose parents chainsmoke indoors and I totally agree that the brown-yellow tar residue on everything is pretty gross and smells awful.

I think it should be permitted in public places as long as the smoking areas are separately ventilated. you can actually get arrested and fined for lighting up in a non-smoking area which I think is a bit too nanny-state.

james wolf
December 22nd, 2015, 12:40 PM
Anything that makes you a slave is a problem. I like to choose without feeling forced what I eat or what I drink. I also dont trust companies that make the products that are addictive.

I agree with this. At the end of the day it's a personal choice and for me the negatives far outweigh the positives.

until a few decades ago you could smoke pretty much anywhere and nobody gave a fuck except finger-wagging liberals. it's bad for your health! *pushes acceptance of licentious sexuality*

The motivation for banning smoking in public places wasn't because "it's bad for your health" but, "it's bad for other people's health." Anyone is welcome to smoke themselves to oblivion in a private place, or heck, even on roads and parks. However, when in a restaurant or train station, smoking actively harms the people around you.

http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/effects-of-secondhand-smoke

phuckphace
December 22nd, 2015, 01:04 PM
Surgeon General's Warning: You may die a decade sooner but you'll be the only white dude left anyway

Hermes
December 24th, 2015, 06:38 PM
That study was an interesting read. Leaving aside the debate over ways to aquire nicotine it seems we know that:

1. People who get less nicotine than they have been accustomed to have impaired cognitive performance.
2. People who get more nicotine than they have been accustomed to have improved cognitive performance.

What the study does not tell us is whether there is any degree of homoeostasis going on. With some drugs, especially ones that act on the brain, the effectiveness of the drugs becomes less over time as the brain seeks to return to what it regards as normality. For example, increase the amount of a neurotransmitter and the number or sensitivity of the receptors may go down to compensate.

So before we can possibly answer the question "Is it worth using nicotine products to increase performance?" we need to know if the performance improvement is maintained for as long as the person concerned continues to take the nicotine or whether instead is gradually returns to its former level and then the person needs the nicotine to prevent performance dropping to below the level it was at before taking nicotine for the first time.

phuckphace
January 7th, 2016, 11:52 AM
posting with more nicotine-related SCIENCE! for those interested

tobacco has the biggest amount of nicotine in any plant, but several other plants in the same family, Solanaceae, have smaller amounts too, such as the tomato, peppers, potato (not the edible part though), eggplant, etc.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2013-05/w-cep050713.php

New research reveals that Solanaceae--a flowering plant family with some species producing foods that are edible sources of nicotine--may provide a protective effect against Parkinson's disease. The study appearing today in Annals of Neurology, a journal of the American Neurological Association and Child Neurology Society, suggests that eating foods that contain even a small amount of nicotine, such as peppers and tomatoes, may reduce risk of developing Parkinson's.

it's not yet "confirmed" but the evidence is compelling for sure. I wonder if chugging V8 juice would have the same effect on memory and concentration as smoking/vaping does. in any case it's p.tasty so drink up!

tovaris
January 7th, 2016, 01:48 PM
The problem isnt the good efects, its the side efects, nikotin is a herbicide and those arent good for mamels either. LSD used to be widly sold so people could drive all night, given to pilotes etc, but its the side efects that get you

Silly Ninja
January 7th, 2016, 05:37 PM
Vaping doesn't appeal to me the way a cigarette does to be honest. It's like eating turkey bacon instead of bacon, or turkey burgers instead of beef burgers. They're both good, but they aren't a substitute for the other one if you want one. Like if I want a beef burger, having a turkey burger isn't going to satisfy that craving. If I want a cigarette, a vape isn't going to necessarily satisfy that craving. For some people, it might, and that's cool. I think vaping is a neat thing, and hell, I have a friend who runs a vape shop, and I have a lot of vape connections, as well as cigarette connections. There's pros and cons to both, and there's always studies about different things, who knows what's true. I don't disagree though that nicotine is good for you. I think it could have its benefits.

tl;dr: i'm gonna have a cigarette

I totally feel the same way. Granted I've only been smoking regularly for a year and a half, but the vaping just doesn't do it for me. It helps in certain situations of course, like I always keep a disposable in my bag during school so if I feel the cravings I can sneak off to the bathroom for a few good puffs, but it's just not the same at relieving the cravings like a cigarette is.

phuckphace
January 7th, 2016, 08:28 PM
I seriously don't understand how people can prefer cigarettes over a high-quality e-juice. cigarettes leave that particular tarry, gross-ass burned tobacco taste in your mouth that sticks to your nasal passages (disgusting) but a good e-juice like my favorite Northern Lights "Bear Claw" (cinnamon roll) actually tastes sweet and very close to an actual cinnamon roll. the lack of carbon monoxide probably explains why a vape doesn't leave me lightheaded and nauseous like a real cig does.

admittedly those cheap cartridge vapes like the Blu aren't very good, but nicotine is nicotine - it should satisfy a nicotine craving no matter where it's obtained from.

Silly Ninja
January 8th, 2016, 05:52 PM
I seriously don't understand how people can prefer cigarettes over a high-quality e-juice. cigarettes leave that particular tarry, gross-ass burned tobacco taste in your mouth that sticks to your nasal passages (disgusting) but a good e-juice like my favorite Northern Lights "Bear Claw" (cinnamon roll) actually tastes sweet and very close to an actual cinnamon roll. the lack of carbon monoxide probably explains why a vape doesn't leave me lightheaded and nauseous like a real cig does.

admittedly those cheap cartridge vapes like the Blu aren't very good, but nicotine is nicotine - it should satisfy a nicotine craving no matter where it's obtained from.

Fair enough. I don't know that I can fully explain it, it's really just the way it feels. Smoking a regular cigarette feels different than vaping, at least to me. I guess there's more of an emotional connection, if that makes any sense?

Would I rather not have the grossness associated with a regular cigarette? Yeah, I could do without the crap that comes with a regular cigarette and go with something like a vape juice, but I just don't get that same feeling.

Ajmichael
March 19th, 2016, 01:54 PM
The only issue with e-cigs and vaping is that there are stronger and stronger arguments coming out that it's causing pneumonia. Certainly the incidence of pneumonia is higher in those who vape that those who smoke. If you need nicotine, you're really better off with gum and patches.