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Body odah Man
August 13th, 2013, 01:18 PM
As many of you may know everything that's posted/searched on Internet is being stored in large data servers for governments to access in order to find potential terrorists. Not that that's worked out for them. However this is an invasion of online privacy. Do you believe that this is right? Or should the government keep their damn noses out of our buisiness? I personally advocate for the latter. We all have a right to privacy on or offline. Let the government respect that. But what do you think?

LouBerry
August 13th, 2013, 01:21 PM
Is it an invasion of privacy, probably.

But, don't do anything illegal or stupid on the internet, and you'll be fine. Not really a big deal, unless the system is taken advantage of.

Southside
August 13th, 2013, 01:22 PM
I understand counterterrorism but I do think the Gov. is taking it a bit too far....

tovaris
August 13th, 2013, 01:27 PM
Afcors its not right. what i do online is my buisnis, not to be sniffed frew by some gowerment (foreing or domestic)

Body odah Man
August 13th, 2013, 01:31 PM
@^
Agreed comarade. Agreed.
@Lou Berry
And how many teens follow that advice?

Harry Smith
August 13th, 2013, 01:32 PM
Afcors its not right. what i do online is my buisnis, not to be sniffed frew by some gowerment (foreing or domestic)

So if you download child porn then the government don't have a right to sniff?

LouBerry
August 13th, 2013, 01:33 PM
Afcors its not right. what i do online is my buisnis, not to be sniffed frew by some gowerment (foreing or domestic)

And, as long as you aren't, you know, doing terroristic shit, they aren't looking through your stuff.

tovaris
August 13th, 2013, 01:42 PM
So if you download child porn then the government don't have a right to sniff?

Not over the internet, they can investigate acording to law.
If there is resnoble suspision and prof they can make a hous search... Like with other things.

And, as long as you aren't, you know, doing terroristic shit, they aren't looking through your stuff.

They are alvais looking on they side of atlantic and the chanel and beond. They have no right to even look

Body odah Man
August 13th, 2013, 01:47 PM
Not true. They look through everything. It all gets stored. Searches you make, FB posts, VTF posts, what you type into google
@Harry
Alrite I'll concede the childporn thing. Thats disgusting as hell. But besides that they don't deserve to invade our privacy

@Maticek
I didn't know that


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Harry Smith
August 13th, 2013, 01:47 PM
Not over the internet, they can investigate acording to law.
If there is resnoble suspision and prof they can make a hous search... Like with other things.

How else would they find out about it?

The CIA and NASA look through it, they don't care unless you've been looking at bomb making sites and al queda pages heck you could probably visit child porn and the CIA wouldn't care.

Unless your a terrorist your fine

LouBerry
August 13th, 2013, 01:49 PM
Not true. They look through everything. It all gets stored. Searches you make, FB posts, VTF posts, what you type into google
@Harry
Alrite I'll concede the childporn thing. Thats disgusting as hell. But besides that they don't deserve to invade our privacy

Do you think that there is a man who sits on a computer looking through all my Facebook posts? Lol, no. They don't look through all your shit, do you know how long it would take, and how many people, and technology it would take to literally go through every single thing that gets done on the internet? Not happening.

tovaris
August 13th, 2013, 01:50 PM
How else would they find out about it?

The CIA and NASA look through it, they don't care unless you've been looking at bomb making sites and al queda pages heck you could probably visit child porn and the CIA wouldn't care.

Unless your a terrorist your fine

It doesnt mather if im fine and they will let me live-
They are loocking when they have no right, and they shouldnt!

You realy love Big Brother, watching youfrom the posters, watching you frew the telekran, and owerseing your thaughts, don't you...

@Maticek
I didn't know that

Didnt know what
it would be much esier if you quoted posts

Harry Smith
August 13th, 2013, 01:52 PM
It doesnt mather if im fine and they will let me live-
They are loocking when they have no right, and they shouldnt!

You realy love Big Brother, watching youfrom the posters, watching you frew the telekran, and owerseing your thaughts, don't you...

Nah I always thought that George Orwell was overrated, I do love animal farm though.

Body odah Man
August 13th, 2013, 01:52 PM
@Harry again
Animal Farm was one depressing movie
@maticek
Big Brother is enough to scare any1
@Lou Berry
It seriously doesn't? My parents always said it could.
@Harry
There are also online stores that use cookies to track sites u visit and send you stuff. Ever hear that story bout the woman who got sent maternity things and turned out to be pregnant?

StoppingTime
August 13th, 2013, 01:53 PM
As many of you may know everything that's posted/searched on Internet is being stored in large data servers for governments to access in order to find potential terrorists.

Source it up, brah.


Not that that's worked out for them. However this is an invasion of online privacy. Do you believe that this is right? Or should the government keep their damn noses out of our buisiness? I personally advocate for the latter. We all have a right to privacy on or offline. Let the government respect that. But what do you think?

I think that you're missing the point and want to believe in conspiracies.

Sure I suppose possible 'the government' has a record of your internet history, but guess what? So does your ISP. (http://publicintelligence.net/center-for-copyright-information-isp-copyright-alert-system-memorandum-of-understanding/) They always have and they always will. If you're illegally downloading media it's possible that your ISP will be notified, and your internet access may be suspended for a set period of time.

What I don't think people need to be worrying about is 'the government' (very loose term by the way) looking up your IP and reading your history over a cup of coffee. Not only does that get nothing accomplished (as terrorists aren't generally chatting it up on Gmail) but it would take endless amounts of time and resources.

tovaris
August 13th, 2013, 01:56 PM
Nah I always thought that George Orwell was overrated, I do love animal farm though.

But you stil love Big Brother.

Body odah Man
August 13th, 2013, 01:56 PM
@Stopping
What exactly does/can the ISP do? Still the fact that the government can't in reality insepct everything we teens look up/type online is encouraging

Harry Smith
August 13th, 2013, 01:57 PM
But you stil love Big Brother.

Did I ever say that I loved a fictional plot technique?

tovaris
August 13th, 2013, 01:59 PM
Did I ever say that I loved a fictional plot technique?

You seem to be quite with the curent sistems of control

@Harry again
Animal Farm was one depressing movie
@maticek
Big Brother is enough to scare any1
@Lou Berry
It seriously doesn't? My parents always said it could.
@Harry
There are also online stores that use cookies to track sites u visit and send you stuff. Ever hear that story bout the woman who got sent maternity things and turned out to be pregnant?

Dear comerad there is a quote bottom at everi post, just so aou now.
Animal farm is a book.

StoppingTime
August 13th, 2013, 02:00 PM
@^
What exactly does/can the ISP do?

Well they can do a lot. If you're interested read this (http://publicintelligence.net/center-for-copyright-information-isp-copyright-alert-system-memorandum-of-understanding/) for a full understanding but for the tl;dr version: if you're constantly downloading pirated software, media, etc, in theory they can throttle your internet speeds, disable it for a short period of time, or even completely. They have the 'capability' to read your internet history as everything does go through your ISP at one time or another (though if you're using a proxy which obscures URLs that's different, or if you're into TOR) but as I mentioned, they simply don't. One, because it isn't exactly legal, and two because it would take a very long time for people to actually sit and read through your browsing histories.
Still the fact that the government can't in reality insepct everything we teens look up/type online is encouraging

I'm going to assume you meant 'can?' And if that's so, can you source it?

Body odah Man
August 13th, 2013, 02:01 PM
Technically the government is becoming very Big Brother like so I'm not sure how fictional it is anymore. But no you never said that.

@Stopping
I mean can't. And as for the source-u said that it wasn't feasible in terms of man hours. Thanks for the tl;dr version

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Stronk Serb
August 13th, 2013, 02:04 PM
So if you download child porn then the government don't have a right to sniff?


When they take down the child porn site, they see that your IP address has visited their servers. They just trace it, and get a search warrant, come into your house, search your computer and arrest you. If you deleted it, there are ways of restoring deleted data. If they restore child porn, you get arrested.

Body odah Man
August 13th, 2013, 02:07 PM
@Mike
I don't think any1 here searches those sites-least I hope not. good they can find out if people do tho.

CuriousGlasweigan
August 13th, 2013, 02:14 PM
As long as the person going through all my data I don't know and will most likely never meet then I'm okay with it, I don't do anything dodgey on the internet anyway and I doubt the government are going to want to stalk my profiles to find out I'm in town or that I like films, etc.

Body odah Man
August 13th, 2013, 02:24 PM
You're not the only person in this world dude.

Mirage
August 13th, 2013, 03:15 PM
@Stopping
What exactly does/can the ISP do? Still the fact that the government can't in reality insepct everything we teens look up/type online is encouraging

If you'd like to quote something you can hit the "quote" button below the post and it will include the person in your message, which makes it a lot easier to track replies :)

Trenton_
August 13th, 2013, 03:19 PM
Let 'em read it all. I don't care. So long as they leave the press and journalists alone, it's fine, but they're already harassing journalists because of what they write and that's not a free press. Just tell us when you search our email. It's a pretty easy thing to do send a message saying, we read and stored this email.

Body odah Man
August 13th, 2013, 04:04 PM
@Mirage
Thanks. I did not know that.
@Trenton
You like people invading your privacy? Also imagine if your friend were to send you a fake email saying you were planning to help him do some terrorist thing. That could really mess up your life.

Harry Smith
August 13th, 2013, 04:17 PM
@Mirage
Thanks. I did not know that.
@Trenton
You like people invading your privacy? Also imagine if your friend were to send you a fake email saying you were planning to help him do some terrorist thing. That could really mess up your life.

Not really, they would probably then just flat up your email. I mean my mate has send me texts and facebook messages about airsoft that follow the lines of buy some grenades, bring your gun round etc. They don't send in the FBI after one email

tovaris
August 13th, 2013, 04:46 PM
Technically the government is becoming very Big Brother like so I'm not sure how fictional it is anymore. But no you never said that.

@Stopping
I mean can't. And as for the source-u said that it wasn't feasible in terms of man hours. Thanks for the tl;dr version

Merged Double Post. ~StoppingTime


Big brother is the face of an alk controling goverment in G Orwels book 1984 (in our case) the point beng that modern goverments are triing to acheve exactly that.

As long as the person going through all my data I don't know and will most likely never meet then I'm okay with it, I don't do anything dodgey on the internet anyway and I doubt the government are going to want to stalk my profiles to find out I'm in town or that I like films, etc.

You people realy dont get it do you...
It is not freedon of your every phone or light inpuls, your every thaught, your life, in monired and controled.
Its opresion, dictatorship. Why do you think The uncle wants to shut up popple like Snowden, the little military guy, and Assange?

Not really, they would probably then just flat up your email. I mean my mate has send me texts and facebook messages about airsoft that follow the lines of buy some grenades, bring your gun round etc. They don't send in the FBI after one email

....
You inow that jole...
When two Arab americans are chatting via. e-mail... A father and sun, the sun is somevere abrod at universetie.
And the father is writing how he needs the garden dug ower...
The sun writes: „Don't dige in the guarden that is where i hid that thing. ”
In five minutes he guarden is swarmed by agents with shuvels, diggind.
They found nothing and leave. The sun writes: „Im sorry for all that comotion, but that is the best i could do from this distance. ”

Stronk Serb
August 13th, 2013, 04:46 PM
@Mike
I don't think any1 here searches those sites-least I hope not. good they can find out if people do tho.


Nobody here does, I am pretty sure, but if someone reports a site like that, the government can easily find out who visited that site by tracing the IP addresses.

Body odah Man
August 14th, 2013, 03:21 AM
Fair enough. And funny joke maticek.

tovaris
August 14th, 2013, 03:39 AM
Fair enough. And funny joke maticek.


And it is true (or at leest very close to the truth and will, if things continue this way, become the truth)


If you'd like to quote something you can hit the "quote" button below the post and it will include the person in your message, which makes it a lot easier to track replies :)


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kylem1229
August 14th, 2013, 09:59 AM
They're taking it way too far. We should have privacy with our internet

Rina
August 14th, 2013, 10:19 AM
I just saw this on a show, Scandal. Personally, I think it's an invasion of privacy, but I understand that there are some good reasons they may want to monitor internet usages. If you're not doing anything wrong, you shouldn't be worried. It's not like they are searching everyone of us individually anyways. You're not that important.

Body odah Man
August 14th, 2013, 12:41 PM
They're taking it way too far. We should have privacy with our internet

Indeed

@everyone
What WE think is wrong may not be what the government views a s wrong. Thats the rub.

Stronk Serb
August 14th, 2013, 12:49 PM
I just saw this on a show, Scandal. Personally, I think it's an invasion of privacy, but I understand that there are some good reasons they may want to monitor internet usages. If you're not doing anything wrong, you shouldn't be worried. It's not like they are searching everyone of us individually anyways. You're not that important.


Yet they invade your law-given privacy. Almost everyone here has an 'if you are not doing anything bad, you have nothing to worry about' attitude. They might be spying on us via internet, but tomorrow, they might be tapping in on out phone calls and the day after tomorrow, they could be spying us in our very homes, and three days later, they might arrest you for being Arab or for being friends with an Arab.

Body odah Man
August 14th, 2013, 01:08 PM
Yet they invade your law-given privacy. Almost everyone here has an 'if you are not doing anything bad, you have nothing to worry about' attitude. They might be spying on us via internet, but tomorrow, they might be tapping in on out phone calls and the day after tomorrow, they could be spying us in our very homes, and three days later, they might arrest you for being Arab or for being friends with an Arab.

Hahahahahaha. Dude you r so behind the times. The NSA has been tapping people's phones since 9/11. Thats what the whole Snowden scandal is about-he revealed it to the public.

Stronk Serb
August 14th, 2013, 01:26 PM
Hahahahahaha. Dude you r so behind the times. The NSA has been tapping people's phones since 9/11. Thats what the whole Snowden scandal is about-he revealed it to the public.

Then tomorrow you might have bugs planted into your house. But what your government's doing is wrong.

Body odah Man
August 14th, 2013, 01:40 PM
Indeed! Indeed! And I don't doubt the bugs eitther

Body odah Man
August 15th, 2013, 05:43 AM
any other ppl gunna join the debate?

whatsgoinon53
August 15th, 2013, 08:42 AM
As many of you may know everything that's posted/searched on Internet is being stored in large data servers for governments to access in order to find potential terrorists. Not that that's worked out for them. However this is an invasion of online privacy. Do you believe that this is right? Or should the government keep their damn noses out of our buisiness? I personally advocate for the latter. We all have a right to privacy on or offline. Let the government respect that. But what do you think?

You make a strong point. I can't decide whether to agree or disagree.

It is wrong for the government (people we don't know) to be looking at out private online lives. But on the other hand, it's good for them to monitor online behavior because of things like cyber bullying and other things illegal such as pedophilia, perversion and all sorts of other crazy things.

So yes, they should keep their noses stuck out of our stuff and monitor illegal websites instead of people.

Body odah Man
August 15th, 2013, 12:54 PM
@^
That is a good reasonable compromise.

thewhiteyeezus
August 17th, 2013, 05:17 PM
It is and its because of the paranoia established from 911. So government has gone batshit crazy making sure this doesnt happen again. And when it does they will get closer and closer investigating till we cant access shit

Human
August 18th, 2013, 01:47 PM
I think the internet should be kept as free as possible... barring things such as child porn.

It tends to annoy me when people get arrested for 'trolling', it's just a waste of the legal system on something so minor because they called a celebrity names over twitter. (unless it's racist or something like that)

Body odah Man
August 19th, 2013, 07:11 AM
@^
You get arrested for trolling?? You gotta be kidding me! Doesn't the government have better things to do?

keep the debate runnin' please


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Nellerin
August 20th, 2013, 02:05 PM
As many of you may know everything that's posted/searched on Internet is being stored in large data servers for governments to access in order to find potential terrorists. Not that that's worked out for them. However this is an invasion of online privacy. Do you believe that this is right? Or should the government keep their damn noses out of our buisiness? I personally advocate for the latter. We all have a right to privacy on or offline. Let the government respect that. But what do you think?

The Government is going against certain privacy laws and therefore going against our rights. I have no doubt that some of the programs were created to do good things but when you provide thousands of Government employees AND outside contractors with access to information on the population, there will be issues.

Oversight and control of the information that is gathered is definitely an issue, and there is the potential for abuse of the system for other anti-freedom reasons.

Body odah Man
August 21st, 2013, 01:18 PM
The Government is going against certain privacy laws and therefore going against our rights. I have no doubt that some of the programs were created to do good things but when you provide thousands of Government employees AND outside contractors with access to information on the population, there will be issues.

Oversight and control of the information that is gathered is definitely an issue, and there is the potential for abuse of the system for other anti-freedom reasons.

Indeed man. You understand it it seems to me. The government is going way too far with all this.

Spook
August 21st, 2013, 01:30 PM
So for those of you who say it's invasion of privacy....everyone else on the internet can see what you post and search, too. How is it any different? If you don't want people to see what you post, don't post it.
Besides...I honestly doubt all the little NASA workers spend their days looking through our facebook statuses.

And relax, if anybody is gonna get taken in for possibly terroristic posts it's Deadpie. :lol:

roadwarrior
August 22nd, 2013, 12:35 AM
For me, it will gonna be a big no ..

ToxicApple69
August 22nd, 2013, 12:42 AM
It would be easy to say it's good for security.

What if the government goes rouge? A rouge government with totalitarian/authoritarian control... doesn't sound pleasant.

Body odah Man
August 22nd, 2013, 04:43 AM
Heaven forbid!

Keep it coming please.


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wizzz
August 24th, 2013, 04:37 AM
No, they should not.

Body odah Man
August 24th, 2013, 03:56 PM
Agreed.

Josh from SoCal
August 25th, 2013, 06:09 AM
Let's clear up one thing please. the term "government reading your email" it doesnt mean some pocket protector wearing dweeb is at a desk reading or monitoring my shit. It means that there are computers and software going through it looking to see if my gf send me a boob picture. we're 15. doesnt make me a pedo. but who knows? maybe big brother's software flags it and Im labelled. "reading our email" is a broad term that refers to how the govt can and IS storing, screening and flagging our online activity based on criteria created by unchecked powers. in the name of "national security" a lot of illegal crap is happening by our govt to its own people. there is no checks and balances in place. and since most people never think about it or try to fight against tyranny, more and more chunks of our freedom and liberty disappear.

Harry Smith
August 25th, 2013, 06:24 AM
Let's clear up one thing please. the term "government reading your email" it doesnt mean some pocket protector wearing dweeb is at a desk reading or monitoring my shit. It means that there are computers and software going through it looking to see if my gf send me a boob picture. we're 15. doesnt make me a pedo. but who knows? maybe big brother's software flags it and Im labelled. "reading our email" is a broad term that refers to how the govt can and IS storing, screening and flagging our online activity based on criteria created by unchecked powers. in the name of "national security" a lot of illegal crap is happening by our govt to its own people. there is no checks and balances in place. and since most people never think about it or try to fight against tyranny, more and more chunks of our freedom and liberty disappear.

The CIA and NASA don't give a shit if you have child porn on your email, all they care about is terrorism

Josh from SoCal
August 25th, 2013, 06:29 AM
The CIA and NASA don't give a shit if you have child porn on your email, all they care about is terrorism

Um, Harry, I'm pretty sure my gf's breasts aren't child porn.

ferny
August 25th, 2013, 08:34 AM
Why don't you just not let them if you have a problem? There's plenty of steps to take to not allow them to, how do you think hackers and terrorists actually get around even with the government? Just get a VPN and use TOR and use certain web-searches and stop using certain websites.~

Harry Smith
August 25th, 2013, 08:42 AM
Um, Harry, I'm pretty sure my gf's breasts aren't child porn.

if she's under 18 and it's a nude image that it's classified as child porn under the law

Mynick
August 25th, 2013, 10:18 AM
A Child Porn and stuff like that usually is in sites of the deep web. Thank god the FBI used a java exploit to compromise some of the sites.
But honestly i dont agree with the governments invading our online privacy. And not online ofc.
First off Internet should be a 'free' place, but every time you search something in google they record your dorks. They record what you search what sites you have been. Besides that, new flash, they can press your ISP to reveal everything about you. Even if you use a VPN, they keep logs. So CIA wants to find you, its pretty easy.
And the backdoor software? Skype, MSN, and numerous websites. Also you use Windows? You're pretty much screaming, hello NSA.

Why don't you just not let them if you have a problem? There's plenty of steps to take to not allow them to, how do you think hackers and terrorists actually get around even with the government? Just get a VPN and use TOR and use certain web-searches and stop using certain websites.~

That's not enough. Want privacy? Use a VPS server then build your own VPN with proxychains and using TOR. Then use several SSH connections. Encrypt your HD and DONT USE WINDOWS.

Body odah Man
August 25th, 2013, 03:54 PM
A Child Porn and stuff like that usually is in sites of the deep web. Thank god the FBI used a java exploit to compromise some of the sites.
But honestly i dont agree with the governments invading our online privacy. And not online ofc.
First off Internet should be a 'free' place, but every time you search something in google they record your dorks. They record what you search what sites you have been. Besides that, new flash, they can press your ISP to reveal everything about you. Even if you use a VPN, they keep logs. So CIA wants to find you, its pretty easy.
And the backdoor software? Skype, MSN, and numerous websites. Also you use Windows? You're pretty much screaming, hello NSA.

That's not enough. Want privacy? Use a VPS server then build your own VPN with proxychains and using TOR. Then use several SSH connections. Encrypt your HD and DONT USE WINDOWS.

All that for privacy! craziness!

SawyerSauce
August 25th, 2013, 05:10 PM
They shouldn't be allowed to do so. This is our privacy. I don't care if they're "looking for terrorists". They're messing with my life and I don't appreciate it. This "free" country is not free. It's hypocrisy.

Capto
August 25th, 2013, 05:37 PM
Government viewing of any sort of internet-related activity further or more intrusive than that already accessible by any ordinary person should not be permitted for the sheer reason that things could escalate pretty damn quickly.

I'll leave y'all to think on what I mean.

Body odah Man
August 26th, 2013, 05:02 AM
They shouldn't be allowed to do so. This is our privacy. I don't care if they're "looking for terrorists". They're messing with my life and I don't appreciate it. This "free" country is not free. It's hypocrisy.

An American who gets it. My hat goes off to you-ur a wise one :) (no sarcasm intended damnit!) And yeah they shouldn't be able to do this but they are and do :( It's sad.

britishboy
August 26th, 2013, 07:39 AM
the government is not interested about your gf cheating or what time you and your friends are meeting up, only if your going to blow stuff up!

Body odah Man
August 26th, 2013, 12:53 PM
Whut about the illegal downloads we teenagers do alot. They will care about that.

tovaris
August 26th, 2013, 01:12 PM
Whut about the illegal downloads we teenagers do alot. They will care about that.

Downloads arent ilegal. Uploads are.

candorgen
August 26th, 2013, 02:30 PM
I think online surveillance by governments should be limited to IP users who have a higher-than-average chance of doing some damage, which I'll assume is terrorism, because that's what the governments are saying. All other surveillance should not happen. If people come online to PM for privacy issues, on any website, that is what they should get.
And if it is so needed that surveillance of the majority is to be done (assuming the extremely low chance that 1% of the population turn into terrorists), when you check an IP address and see that it is clear, all information on the IP user's web history should be used for nothing else than future reference, or deleted.

Body odah Man
August 27th, 2013, 06:13 AM
I think online surveillance by governments should be limited to IP users who have a higher-than-average chance of doing some damage, which I'll assume is terrorism, because that's what the governments are saying. All other surveillance should not happen. If people come online to PM for privacy issues, on any website, that is what they should get.
And if it is so needed that surveillance of the majority is to be done (assuming the extremely low chance that 1% of the population turn into terrorists), when you check an IP address and see that it is clear, all information on the IP user's web history should be used for nothing else than future reference, or deleted.

Should but won't happen. The government is human and most humans like having knowledge of millions of people at their fingertips regardless of whether or not they have the right to do so or not. We're just lucky the governemnt isn't selling that information to others-than we'd all be in trouble.

QuantumPhysics
August 27th, 2013, 06:26 AM
I think the government should have a Echelon device ( which i think they do have) to look for words tht relate to terrorism. If a terrorist word has been founs in someones server then then should be able to look.

Body odah Man
August 27th, 2013, 06:33 AM
@^
Good idea! That way the government doesn't harass the innocent and even if a terrorist word is only in your server because someone sent you an email/pm with that word in it or went on your comp and looked it up an investigation should figure that out. Brilliant man

StrawberryCyanide
August 27th, 2013, 07:00 AM
Our birth certificate is our first document of existence, until the day we die every form we fill out, e-mail we write, word searched on google, phone calls made, bids on ebay, music and files downloaded, adverts clicked on, websites visited, financial transactions, EVERYTHING is recorded and stored in a huge database. Companies are allowed access to these digital footprints to target advertising etc. The government has every right to search the computers of people doing illegal things, for example downloading child pornography, they can and could continue to without spying on everyone and their mother. Sadly, the real reason we have no real privacy is because we are consumers and a whole lot of people make a whole lot of money from us by tracking our every move, including the government. If the government installed CCTV cameras in your bedroom to keep an eye on what you're wearing and how much you masturbate, it would be an invasion of privacy, right?

rambleramble =3

EddietheZombie
August 27th, 2013, 08:20 AM
Everybody doesnt get that the governments are way more advanced than we think. I have no doubt that if say Fort Knox was attacked, that you would see stuff we mainly read in science fiction. Mec suits(The military is experimenting with them), for one. As far as science has come, dont you think they could be smarter than to have a few million workers looking at you history? They have a computer bank that sorts it out by key words such as Gun, Grenade, Bomb, ect. The dont pay attention to the "My BF or GF just broke up with me" bullshit. I dont think that they should invade our privacy in any way. Thats OUR privacy. Everything is linked. They have a building that they have "Terrorist Chatter" in. They building is about the size of a Baseball stadium. Stuff like audio, messages, writing, ect dont take up that much space. Get a USB and read it. It says about 4 megabytes. In that one thing, it can hold thousands of pictures and word documents. Now multiply that by how advanced the military, CIA, and government are and what they have housed in that building should fit into a large suitcase. Video however takes alot of space, and you would need a large building like that one. Im not saying they are video taping us, but as long as that building has been up, and as long as this war has been, it would have to take a 20 year war to fill it up like it is. So i wonder what they are taping? If i want to learn how to make thermite(Used in building demolitions, only for learning purposes and science experiments for me) then, damn it, why cant i know how? All this comes down to is the government and the sheeple(people who follow everything they are told without question, no matter what it is, similar to lemmings jumping off cliffs) people to afraid, or ignorant to stand up for such rights as privacy, to bare arms, speach, ect. Snowden told the USA citizens that the government was spying on them and China(our ALLIES) and people still back them up! I bet half of anyone here did not know that. And they charged him with "Informing the enemy". If China is our allies, then are we the enemy? When it comes to the government, they want a population that is easy to manage, will take orders without question, and can be herded like sheep(Sheeple). Did you know your Kinect scans the room and you to see what advertisements you look at? i wonder what else it looks for. Ive always said, americans arent free, we are just free enough to be considered free. if we were truely free, then we wouldnt be having this discussion now would we? And its NSA damn it! Not NASA! NASA is the unimportant, waste of money space program we have. It doesnt stop terrorism anyway! Look at the Boston bombing, nothing was done to stop it, but with them watcing, you would think they would have known. And terrorists arnt stupid, they know to use aliases and code words for stuff.

Body odah Man
August 27th, 2013, 12:59 PM
@^
Yeah despite all their efforts terrorism is rampant. and now with the prospective attack on Syria this Thursday (heard it on the radio) the government is gunna rlly tighten itself down on us.

Capto
August 27th, 2013, 10:28 PM
I think online surveillance by governments should be limited to IP users who have a higher-than-average chance of doing some damage, which I'll assume is terrorism, because that's what the governments are saying. All other surveillance should not happen. If people come online to PM for privacy issues, on any website, that is what they should get.
And if it is so needed that surveillance of the majority is to be done (assuming the extremely low chance that 1% of the population turn into terrorists), when you check an IP address and see that it is clear, all information on the IP user's web history should be used for nothing else than future reference, or deleted.

The problem is, in order to determine such a 'chance of doing some damage', they would first need to survey every IP in the first place! Which is antithetical and counterintuitive to the idea of limiting surveillance.

Body odah Man
August 28th, 2013, 01:14 PM
So it's like an ourobouros an endless circle. the only way to stop it is to transcend the circle and focus on another aspect of the problem.

Keep ti coming please.


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Twilly F. Sniper
August 31st, 2013, 12:13 PM
If they keep their hands off of it unless it's criminal, yes.

Body odah Man
September 1st, 2013, 03:05 PM
If they keep their hands off of it unless it's criminal, yes.

WHY tho? Why is it good that complete strangers get to know every aspect of everyone's life? It just leads to abuse of information in my honest opinion.

Twilly F. Sniper
September 1st, 2013, 03:40 PM
WHY tho? Why is it good that complete strangers get to know every aspect of everyone's life? It just leads to abuse of information in my honest opinion.


You didn't read it. Only for things (I should've said OBVIOUSLY) criminal.

Body odah Man
September 1st, 2013, 03:49 PM
You didn't read it. Only for things (I should've said OBVIOUSLY) criminal.

Ah. My bad misunderstanding.

Any1 else got more to say?


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Jess
September 7th, 2013, 11:08 AM
They should have no right to invade our privacy, unless they have evidence of criminal acts.

Body odah Man
September 7th, 2013, 01:32 PM
They should have no right to invade our privacy, unless they have evidence of criminal acts.

I think that the Snowden scandal revealed that they still do invoke our privacy eevn without proof of criminal acts. That's the rub.

any1 there?

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Andy_
September 15th, 2013, 10:01 PM
No, it's someone's privacy for god sake, I can understand why they would do it but It seems a bit over the top and would make a lot of people nervous.

TheBigUnit
September 15th, 2013, 10:35 PM
well its too late to complain, i mean i really dont care atm i mean we arent living with big brother yet, plus im not a terrorist so im not really hiding anything

dsi411
September 15th, 2013, 11:05 PM
Just use incognito windows
:>_>:

Body odah Man
September 16th, 2013, 12:53 PM
Just use incognito windows
:>_>:

That doesn't help. Your internet provider can still track pages you're viewing even with incognito.

Any one else going to further debate?