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Zach4110
August 2nd, 2013, 12:04 AM
One thing I hear from conservatives is that Obama is a "Marxist" or a "communist". And here's what I have to say to them.

Okay, well, before you call someone a name, you have to know what that name actually means.

First of all, do you know what "communism" even is? There's "communism", and then there's "communism", or, to put it more precisely Marxism vs Stalinism. There's also Leninism, but Stalinism is what most people mean when they talk about "those evil, genocidal communist meanies".

In Marxism, there's no government (Obama wants the government to screw with us, so where do you get calling him a "Marxist"?), and everyone works for the community. They've also done away with money (Obama clearly doesn't flow with this) and all social classes (Obama likes class warfare, so I mean, come on). In my opinion, I could never see it working and find anarcho-capitalism a much more attractive option, but whatever.

And then there's Stalinism.

In Stalinism, the government owns all of the means of production, and for some reason, it also has a fetish for murdering millions of people. It's not actually communism.

Many Stalinists have a serious medical condition called "being a cynical asshole".

Obama is much closer to a Stalinist than he is to a Marxist. So call him that if he wants to nationalize something. But wait a minute - aren't you one too, conservative? I mean, you support the US DOD, don't you? And isn't that government controlling one of the means of production?

So, for now, let's just call Obama something that he actually is.

A turdbag.

Adam17
August 2nd, 2013, 12:13 AM
This reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw.
One
Big
Ass
Mistake
America

Magical
August 2nd, 2013, 02:39 AM
Hah, I love your disguise (not very secretive):
The only reason I can see for this post is for you to say that Obama is the worst president in history - and that's just what Republicans want you to think. (Why? He's a scary black man!) Anyway, why else would you have that beginning your title?

Harry Smith
August 2nd, 2013, 08:11 AM
He's not the worst president in history, I think George W Bush has a claim to that title along with Buchanan back in the 1850's who pretty much caused the civil war to start

Adam17
August 2nd, 2013, 08:54 AM
He's not the worst president in history, I think George W Bush has a claim to that title along with Buchanan back in the 1850's who pretty much caused the civil war to start

Please tell us how George Bush was the worst president.

Ajmichael
August 2nd, 2013, 09:37 AM
Please tell us how George Bush was the worst president.

I'm sure there are quite a few people in the Middle East who would tell you, maybe those who he felt were hiding weapons on mass destruction based on the evidence his government fabricated to drag other countries into a war that didn't need to be fought?

Trace
August 2nd, 2013, 09:41 AM
WW III hasn't started yet, so until it does Obama's fine by me.

Azunite
August 2nd, 2013, 10:22 AM
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SaxyHaloBeast
August 2nd, 2013, 10:54 AM
I don't know if Obama is the worst president because different times call for different types of action. For instance, some presidents had to deal with war and financial crisis while others didn't have those same problems, so it is hard to determine which is the worst.

What I can say is that, with the problems Obama took upon himself, he hasn't really helped or improved much. I know he's tried and has good intentions, but I don't think he's going about it the right way.

Harry Smith
August 2nd, 2013, 11:00 AM
Please tell us how George Bush was the worst president.

His complete denial of any stem cell research, citing that it was evil. His massive tax cuts, the fact that he very questionably won the 2000 election after only network called Florida to him where oh wait his brother was governor. The massive war debts that he built up and his complete refusal to work towards LGBT rights of any sorts.

Southside
August 2nd, 2013, 11:30 AM
Please tell us how George Bush was the worst president.

Ever heard of the Iraq War?

Ever heard of Hurricane Katrina?

Ever heard of Gitmo torture?

FrostWraith
August 2nd, 2013, 01:08 PM
Ever heard of the Iraq War?

Ever heard of Hurricane Katrina?

Ever heard of Gitmo torture?

1. Continued by Obama.
2. You're blaming Bush for natural disasters?
3. Also continued by Obama.

Southside
August 2nd, 2013, 01:37 PM
1. Continued by Obama.
2. You're blaming Bush for natural disasters?
3. Also continued by Obama.

1. Obama ended the Iraq War in his 2nd year in office

2. It didnt have to be a disaster, most of the funds for the levees and flood control in Lousiana were diverted to fight the useless war in Iraq.

3. Obama has attempted to close Gitmo, Congress keeps blocking it.

I'm not a big fan of Obama but hes better than Bush by a long shot.

Deschain
August 2nd, 2013, 01:44 PM
2. You're blaming Bush for natural disasters?

Obviously you weren't paying attention to the bullshit that happened after the hurricane.

Outside The Box
August 2nd, 2013, 01:59 PM
Obama is a corporatist. A sock puppet. Placed there by Goldman Sachs, Jon Corzine and all his other friends in his wall street cartel. At a time when banks are falsifying documents by the hundreds of thousands and stealing peoples homes, Obama is telling prosecutors to drop criminal investigations of banks over mortgage fraud. Now bank fraud prosecution continues to drop under Obama, when it should be rising.

Don't listen to what he says, watch what he does.

This should be of interest to you ... some of Obama's firsts.
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2011/06/president-barack-obamas-complete-list.html

Adam17
August 2nd, 2013, 06:53 PM
Ever heard of the Iraq War?

Ever heard of Hurricane Katrina?

Ever heard of Gitmo torture?
Ya there was know reason to go into iraq, I mean their dictator was onpy murdering his own citizens and threatening to use mustard gas on other countries. He was certainly responsible for a natural disaster like a hurricane and the obama administration sure has done alot to stop waterboarding which is essentially just dumping water on someone. I mean the obama administration has only spent billions trying to prevent the deaths of flys and forcing small business owners to pay for health care. Lets not forget his refusal to meet with many of our most important allies and the fact that the debt has already risen more under obama then the entire 8 years bush was in office.

I'm sure there are quite a few people in the Middle East who would tell you, maybe those who he felt were hiding weapons on mass destruction based on the evidence his government fabricated to drag other countries into a war that didn't need to be fought?

The mustard gas saddam hussein used on his own people kinda was a wmd. The definition of a weapon of mass destruction is *a weapon that kills or injures civilian as well as military personnel (nuclear and CHEMICAL and biological weapons). Also im pretty sure that the people of iraq and Afghanistan weren't to happy to have to live in fear of the taliban everyday.

-Merged. -StoppingTime

Moondust
August 2nd, 2013, 07:02 PM
Ugh, anybody who spies on my internet activity and says it's completely legal is in my book of jerks.

Harry Smith
August 2nd, 2013, 07:03 PM
Ya there was know reason to go into iraq, I mean their dictator was onpy murdering his own citizens and threatening to use mustard gas on other countries. He was certainly responsible for a natural disaster like a hurricane and the obama administration sure has done alot to stop waterboarding which is essentially just dumping water on someone. I mean the obama administration has only spent billions trying to prevent the deaths of flys and forcing small business owners to pay for health care. Lets not forget his refusal to meet with many of our most important allies and the fact that the debt has already risen more under obama then the entire 8 years bush was in office.

Water boarding is torture, simple as. It simulates drowning, it's barbaric and it amazes me that America carries it out. I love how your way of defending bush is to speak about Obama.

In regards to Iraq Saddam never once threatened to gas other countries. Did you see how Bush handled the aftermath? I reckon Dan Qualye would of done a better job.

And of course forgot the fact that Bush tax cuts cut the revenue by half and failed to stimulate the economy, forgot the fact that he lost the Clinton surplus.

What about gay marriage, do you support George Bush denying millions of Americans the right to marriage. What about stem cell research? What about the hundreds of innocent men tortured in gitmo without trial.

George Bush was a joke

Southside
August 2nd, 2013, 07:08 PM
Ya there was know reason to go into iraq, I mean their dictator was onpy murdering his own citizens and threatening to use mustard gas on other countries. He was certainly responsible for a natural disaster like a hurricane and the obama administration sure has done alot to stop waterboarding which is essentially just dumping water on someone. I mean the obama administration has only spent billions trying to prevent the deaths of flys and forcing small business owners to pay for health care. Lets not forget his refusal to meet with many of our most important allies and the fact that the debt has already risen more under obama then the entire 8 years bush was in office.

All of Saddam's chemical weapons stockpile were either destroyed or buried after the Gulf War. Saddam wasnt threatening any countries with mustard gas at the time of the US 2003 Invasion, stop pointing to stuff 20-30 years before the 03' invasion even took place. You clearly dont know anything about Iraq.

Meeting with our most important allies? Hes visited the UK, France,Canada, Germany, South Korea twice or more times.

George Bush didnt cause Hurricane Katrina, he did cause the disaster and flooding that came after it by diverting funds that were meant for flood control and levee maintainence to the useless war in Iraq. It's OK to put foreign wars before your own citizens safety in your opinion right? Please clarify...

Gitmo could be closed right now but the damn Republicans keep blocking the bill in Congress..

Bush spent all of our surplus money on wars...

LOL! You just said "the people of iraq and Afghanistan weren't to happy to have to live in fear of the taliban everyday". Since when were the Taliban in Iraq? Please tell me!

Walter Powers
August 2nd, 2013, 08:09 PM
WW III hasn't started yet, so until it does Obama's fine by me.

Talk about low expectations...

I've researched it, and Obama does have a lot of Marxist/Communist/Stalinist/ connections.

I believe in spreading the wealth around.

-Him.


-merged double post. -Emerald Dream

Trace
August 2nd, 2013, 08:12 PM
Talk about low expectations...

He hasn't done anything that affects me, so....

Walter Powers
August 2nd, 2013, 08:15 PM
He hasn't done anything that affects me, so....

The leader of the free world's actions affect everybody.

Here's one example: The economic defecit.

Trace
August 2nd, 2013, 08:16 PM
The leader of the free world's actions affect everybody.

Here's one example: The economic defecit.

I should have stayed out of this debate to begin with because I am ignorant to politics and I would prefer it stay that way.

Southside
August 2nd, 2013, 09:30 PM
The leader of the free world's actions affect everybody.

Here's one example: The economic defecit.

Hmm...Large chunk of it was caused by useless wars started by Bush

Phinks
August 2nd, 2013, 10:02 PM
Oh wow, Obama is not the worst president in the history of the US.
That would probably be Bush.

comical
August 3rd, 2013, 08:01 AM
The leader of the free world's actions affect everybody.

Here's one example: The economic defecit.

...which is shrinking at an unusually fast rate. One of the fastest rates in the past 60 years.

britishboy
August 3rd, 2013, 08:15 AM
The leader of the free world's actions affect everybody.

Here's one example: The economic defecit.

that is true, the economic crisis in Europe was because of American banks, everything your country does effects most of the world, not just US citizens

and to the anti bush guys, read this (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/04/24/the-5-best-moments-of-george-w-bushs-presidency/)

Grand Admiral Thrawn
August 3rd, 2013, 09:09 AM
Obama inherited a pretty shitty country from Bush, so you can't exactly blame him for everything. He still did his best to turn it around and get us on our feet again. Sure, he wasn't all that successful, but he's hardly the worst President we've ever had. Same goes for Bush. He'll be remembered for Iraq and Afghanistan, and a lot of people dislike him for that. But honestly, what else could he do?

If you're looking for the worst President, just take your pic from everyone who served from the 1840s until the outbreak of the Civil War.

Walter Powers
August 3rd, 2013, 09:58 AM
Hmm...Large chunk of it was caused by useless wars started by Bush

...and an extremly larger chunk was caused by entitlements began or expanded by Obama.

Southside
August 3rd, 2013, 10:20 AM
...and an extremly larger chunk was caused by entitlements began or expanded by Obama.

Welfare entitlements? Oh not this again...


Can you please tell me your views on http://costofwar.com/ the billions of dollars wasted on falsified information that caused the death of thousands of Iraqis, thousands of Europeans/Americans in the useless war?

If the minimum wage was raised, the amount of people on welfare would go down, ill make a thread about the minimum wage in a bit

britishboy
August 3rd, 2013, 10:32 AM
Welfare entitlements? Oh not this again...


Can you please tell me your views on http://costofwar.com/ the billions of dollars wasted on falsified information that caused the death of thousands of Iraqis, thousands of Europeans/Americans in the useless war?

If the minimum wage was raised, the amount of people on welfare would go down, ill make a thread about the minimum wage in a bit

well Tony Blair (British Prime Minister at the time) still says it was right to invade as it had removed a dictator and freed the people.

www.huffpost.com/uk/entry/2899592#

you should also remember we invaded because of potential nukes, but even with out we still had a good reason

Southside
August 3rd, 2013, 10:39 AM
well Tony Blair (British Prime Minister at the time) still says it was right to invade as it had removed a dictator and freed the people.

www.huffpost.com/uk/entry/2899592#

you should also remember we invaded because of potential nukes, but even with out we still had a good reason

Nukes? Israel destroyed Iraq's only nuclear reactor in the 80s

Saddams stockpile of Chemical & Biological weapons had either been destroyed in the mid to late 90's or buried, the only chemical weapons that were found in the whole Iraq campaign were buried in the desert.

Freed people? We caused way more suffering than we did good, 100,000+ innocent civilians due to the US invasion..We had no reason to invade Iraq, I don't know you guys think its OK just to bomb up another country and say its giving them "liberation" and "freedom", Iraq is a fucking mess now

britishboy
August 3rd, 2013, 10:45 AM
Nukes? Israel destroyed Iraq's only nuclear reactor in the 80s

Saddams stockpile of Chemical & Biological weapons had either been destroyed in the mid to late 90's or buried, the only chemical weapons that were found in the whole Iraq campaign were buried in the desert.

Freed people? We caused way more suffering than we did good, 100,000+ innocent civilians due to the US invasion..We had no reason to invade Iraq, I don't know you guys think its OK just to bomb up another country and say its giving them "liberation" and "freedom", Iraq is a fucking mess now

we liberated them, removed a dictator who was sentenced to death, do you think they enjoy invading countries? it would be much easier to sit back and relax

Zach4110
August 3rd, 2013, 10:55 AM
Well this thread has certainly diverted from the original topic.

irishguy123
August 3rd, 2013, 08:04 PM
people claim he is the "worst president!" Consider the people running against him in 2008 and 2012 and it is obvious that America could have picked worse(and has already done in the past.)
Also, to brand Democrats as "socialists" or "communists" highlights how poor an understanding that members of the American public have of the terms and are simply labeling.

Walter Powers
August 3rd, 2013, 11:13 PM
people claim he is the "worst president!" Consider the people running against him in 2008 and 2012 and it is obvious that America could have picked worse(and has already done in the past.)
Also, to brand Democrats as "socialists" or "communists" highlights how poor an understanding that members of the American public have of the terms and are simply labeling.

Did anybody say all democrats are socialists or communists?

To say that there aren't a few who are shows a lack of understanding.

Romney had an excellent record creating jobs in both eggs private sector and public sector. Obama had nothing. Romney actually did things when he was in office as governors; Obama voted "present" on pratically every matter of importance as a senator. Romney was obviously exponentially more qualified then the alternative.

Now tell me, how would Romney have made a worse president? And don't give me any of that social issues BS. I'm talking about the issues that really matter and are critical to our general populations well being, which are economic and military.

Harry Smith
August 4th, 2013, 11:26 AM
Did anybody say all democrats are socialists or communists?

To say that there aren't a few who are shows a lack of understanding.

Romney had an excellent record creating jobs in both eggs private sector and public sector. Obama had nothing. Romney actually did things when he was in office as governors; Obama voted "present" on pratically every matter of importance as a senator. Romney was obviously exponentially more qualified then the alternative.

Now tell me, how would Romney have made a worse president? And don't give me any of that social issues BS. I'm talking about the issues that really matter and are critical to our general populations well being, which are economic and military.

Social issues always matter, it matters that I can marry the person that I love, it matters to millions of Americans who are denied their rights. Don't tell me that it doesn't matter

I'd rather be able to marry the man I love than be proud of the fact my army has a new tank to run over Iraqi children with. Romney simply didn't appeal, he visited the UK and then said that we couldn't handle the Olympics! That's great Foreign policy there. The American electorate didn't want Romney

Equal rights are critical for everyone

I also believe you've used the word socialism to describe Obama, when he is very un-socialist due to the lack of nationalization

irishguy123
August 4th, 2013, 11:35 AM
Typical how one of the points that you listed as "issues that really mattter" as the millitary, so right-wing!

(Also to let you know, mormons are pacifists and therefore it would be a moral conflict for someone like Romney to be commander in chief of the American Forces.

You also stated that "did anybody call the democrats marxist or socialist" and the answer is YES, it is stated by many republicans daily!

Romneys track record in business does not neccessarily make a person a good president for job creation, that is rubbish. If a person is wealthy, it does not mean that they are smart or a good representative for a major nation. Many people employed in Romney businessess are often friends or cronies of the man anyway! He also stated previously that he "enjoyed firing people" which shows a lack of connect with anyone who is working class.

Also some of his views on both womens rights and other citizens are questionable and his understanding of fair healthcare systems also are slighty unjust as well as whether the wealthy should be taxed more as they earn more which is a concept seen as laughable in the eyes of such people as Romney.

I was not only speaking of Romney eitherby the way but also people such as John McCain who would have been a continuation of the Bush administration but you apeared to only believe I was talking about Romney for some weird reason?

A persons wealth does not make for a good president. Not just in the case of Romney but other characters like Trump and others. Regardless of a persons party alegiances.

irishguy123
August 4th, 2013, 11:37 AM
Social issues always matter

I'd rather be able to marry the man I love than be proud of the fact my army has a new tank to run over Iraqi children with. Romney simply didn't appeal, he visited the UK and then said that we couldn't handle the Olympics! That's great Foreign policy there. The American electorate didn't want Romney

Equal rights are critical for everyone

I also believe you've used the word socialism to describe Obama, when he is very un-socialist due to the lack of nationalization

Agreed! (well with alot of it!)