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TheDeepestDepths
July 24th, 2013, 02:26 PM
Question for people that I've been wondering a while: why is prostitution such a terrible thing?

Putting aside horrible things such as mistreated women, diseases, rape etc. But why is the act itself - sex for money - bad?

The only reason I can see is that sex has become this awful taboo thing that must take place in the secret darkness of a marriage bed. Which is ridiculous, not only is sex a completely natural thing it improves your health. Apparently (http://www.forbes.com/2003/10/08/cz_af_1008health.html) someone with a steady and healthy sex life has a reduced risk of heart disease, increased overall fitness, reduced risk of depression, and less frequent colds and flu. If you do not have a partner why should you not pay money for a service beneficial to your overall health? It's like going to the doctor - you give them money to willingly perform surgery on you for your health, you give a prostitute money to willingly have sex with you for your health.

As for women selling their bodies, isn't that what models do? Laborers?

If you put it like that, why is the concept of sex for money so difficult for people to accept?

Harry Smith
July 24th, 2013, 02:31 PM
I think as a business, if it's done in controlled environments, with vetted customers and protection it's fine, I know someone who paid for university by simply having the 3 same clients every week and making 200 quid per person.

But I do agree that their are horrible aspects such as men beating the women up etc

TheDeepestDepths
July 24th, 2013, 02:36 PM
I think as a business, if it's done in controlled environments, with vetted customers and protection it's fine, I know someone who paid for university by simply having the 3 same clients every week and making 200 quid per person.

But I do agree that their are horrible aspects such as men beating the women up etc

Yes, I can't see how it's such a terrible thing. I agree that it has to be very policed due to how easy it is to abuse the workers but this wouldn't be as big a problem if the whole industry wasn't forced underground in the first place by groups making sex taboo.

Slippers
September 5th, 2013, 04:11 PM
Exchanging sex for money is not such a bad thing, and indeed it may be argued that when a guy takes a girl on a date and lavishes her with a gift, food, drinks, surely he's attempting to buy a way to her bedroom!

Cygnus
September 5th, 2013, 11:39 PM
Prostitution as so isn't that bad of a thing, you are right. Then again it can lead to transmission of STDs, sex slavery, and physical abuse. If that can be controlled I see no problem with prostitution.

conniption
September 5th, 2013, 11:47 PM
Prostitution is disgusting, in my opinion. I don't think it's the government's job to provide people with sex.

Poisonberry
September 6th, 2013, 03:39 AM
Apparently (http://www.forbes.com/2003/10/08/cz_af_1008health.html) someone with a steady and healthy sex life has a reduced risk of heart disease, increased overall fitness, reduced risk of depression, and less frequent colds and flu.

The key part of that phrase being "healthy sex life". Personally I don't think there's anything healthy, from a mental health perspective about paying for sex from a prostitute. So for me, that argument falls flat.

OTOH, as a well regulated business, as for example it's done in Nevada, I think it's ok for the women involved if that's what they want to do.

Stronk Serb
September 6th, 2013, 05:11 AM
Illegal prostitution carries with it aggressive clients, drugs, aggressive pimps and an unhealthy life for the prostitute. If it was to be legalized, it will take a lot of time to get rid of the negative factors. If there were special buildings with security, and the prostitutes worked for a living wage without violence and drugs, I have nothing against it.

Twilly F. Sniper
September 6th, 2013, 06:43 AM
I'm okay with it: only on the grounds that someone WISHES to be a prostitute. Which doesn't really happen a lot. If the economy were better, people wouldn't rape themselves for money.

britishboy
September 6th, 2013, 09:38 AM
the good sex life = good health argument is rubbish, you can have gfs

oh and would you sleep with someone who has slept with countless other strangers after her last sexual health test?

Rina
September 6th, 2013, 04:13 PM
I personally think prostitution is...disgusting isn't the right word, but a less extreme form that I can't be bothered to remember right now. Plus, it comes with a lot of risk to the person paying ad the prostitute themselves, i.e. STDs, abuse, etc. But I suppose if it's regulated, it would be better. I think the job in it of itself is distasteful, though. Just like the porn industry.

Jean Poutine
September 6th, 2013, 05:22 PM
There's nothing wrong with prostitution. It follows the laws of the free market. As long as there's a willing buyer, there will be a willing seller somewhere. Escorts where I live absolutely insist on safe sex, and I suspect the street prostitutes do too. There are plenty of escort services here but I've never seen a street prostitute in my life and I live in a pretty big city. All the escorts I've interviewed had "real jobs" and did it on the side with few clients. They had absolute freedom of choice and independent escorts in particular seemed to have the big end of the stick.

Where does the harm of prostitution lie then? Three words : power, education and trust.

Power is self-evident. As long as the woman owns her "means of production", economically speaking, she is safe. She has the power to choose her clients, the power to set her limits and the power to claim judicial redress if anything happens to her. It's like in any business - if your boss owns your means of production, mainly, the way you make money, you are not free to set up your own conditions. You do what your boss says. Street prostitutes mainly have drug addictions to pay or might be talked into it by a pimp "boyfriend". As such, they are not free to choose and the labour law maxim saying that the employer is a much bigger, powerful force than the employee holds true. She cannot set her own limits and thus has much more risks to become exploited in turn, especially as she has nowhere, no one to turn to in case of abuse. In short, they have no power. A self-employed prostitute, or at least, one employed to a "business" that respects her and her limits, is a happy prostitute, so to speak.

Education is also self-evident. As long as a sex worker is educated about the possible dangers of her work and how to avoid them, she is also safe. If a sex worker is drilled into always using a condom, knows who to contact if abused, knows how to defuse any dangerous circumstances she might find herself in, she is also safe. All the escorts I've talked to actually had a high level of education and did it for financial reasons and for enjoyment. They had "real jobs", job experience or an academic formation so that they would not be stuck in the sex trade forever. Obviously, this is often not the case with street prostitutes, who are forced into it for numerous reasons, including a lack of opportunities.

Trust means the trust of her clients and the trust of the authorities. An escort that offers an excellent service, who is personable, educated and in control gains the trust of her clients. They, in turn, are less likely to violate the limits the sex worker set up for herself. Again, it's like in any business relationship. The closer the two parties are, the less likely it is for the contract to be violated. Trust in the authorities is also paramount, because a prostitute that does not trust nor is trusted by the police has no way to avoid personal injury other than by her own means or those of a pimp.

My personal opinion : prostitution is a more honest form of a one-night stand. You do not have to spend the entire evening bullshitting and buying a vacuous girl drinks only to get a chance to get in her pants if that's all you're looking for. The prostitute sets a price to "skip the small talk", so to speak. Independent escorts in particular are a good example since it is purely their choice to go in the sex trade : one told me she refused anyone not of her liking the same way she'd turn down the flirts of a guy she didn't find attractive at a bar. In resume, she sets a price for you to sleep with her and for cutting the bullshit, although many prostitutes have a certain relation with their clients and enjoy speaking with them and getting to know them. I find a money-for-sex transaction much more honest than simply going bar hunting because of the following reasons : 1) the money acts as a symbol of the nature of the relationship and neither of the parties has any more expectation than what is contracted, 2) it is perfectly consensual and 3) both parties can set their sexual limits in advance to a level that is agreeable to both much more successfully, especially important for guys with certain fetishes or preferences for uncommon sexual acts.

With that said, how to fix the problems with prostitution? In these easy steps :

1) power : decriminalize completely the exchange of money for sex while still criminalizing pimping, set up a regulatory governmental body (the only entity with the power necessary to safeguard the prostitutes' access to their means of production and the benevolence not to abuse it) for licencing, permits and handling complaints from both clients and street workers with the assistance of the police, make unregulated prostitution a crime, curtail the sex trade in a specific part of the country, state or town and give the regulatory body a consultative and representative mandate that will act for either wronged party (client or prostitute) in court;

2) knowledge : educate prostitutes on the importance of condoms, safe sex practices as well as how to generally keep safe using the regulatory body we've just set up, along with mandatory monthly STD testing at the workers' expense, enforce an education requirement (high school minimum) to get a prostitution license and encourage short working hours to be able to hold a "real job" for experience;

3) trust : sensitize police to the plight of street workers and keep police around the sex work designated district or buildings, have the police crack down hard on unregulated prostitution and lengthen the sentence for pimping or living off the fruits of unregulated sex trade.

Now to answer some quotes :

The key part of that phrase being "healthy sex life". Personally I don't think there's anything healthy, from a mental health perspective about paying for sex from a prostitute. So for me, that argument falls flat.

Nonsense. If you're going to bring up mental health and prostitution, get a study or back off. This isn't an opinion, this isn't "personally", this is a question of fact.

Many escorts I've talked to thought they were helping people with their job, more so than just getting rid of a physical need. They told me countless stories of clients using their services to gain confidence in themselves and their sexuality then went ahead and found a girlfriend, stopped using their services then led a perfectly normal, healthy life. Some serviced handicapped people. Some helped their clients to attain the phantasms they've always dreamed of, attain some sense of accomplishment. Some even went on dates with their clients beforehand at their request so that they could get rid of some sorts of social anxiety, social phobia or plain ol' shyness.

From what I've gleaned, the prostitutes themselves were perfectly normal, balanced people. It isn't all street walkin', lady.

Empowered prostitutes help so much more than people think. Get your prejudices out of the door.

Prostitution is disgusting, in my opinion. I don't think it's the government's job to provide people with sex.

Nobody talked about the government providing sex. The workers do that themselves, unless you'd like to sleep with Obama? In essence, it is already provided.

The government should provide safe conditions and a controlled environment for prostitution to occur. That's a completely different thing.

There, prostitution summed up and fixed in a single post. Worship me later. It's something that always interested me a lot as a future criminal lawyer so I've done a bit of independent research and legwork, hence "they told me so and so".

Tarannosaurus
September 6th, 2013, 05:38 PM
If that's what the person wants to do, then so be it. Obviously they need to be more careful about STDs but I don't really see a problem with it. One thing that annoys me though is people who have no respect for sex workers, think they're whores etc, but will still buy their services.

Poisonberry
September 6th, 2013, 08:36 PM
Nonsense. If you're going to bring up mental health and prostitution, get a study or back off. This isn't an opinion, this isn't "personally", this is a question of fact.

Nonsense? Since when is someone's opinion nonsense? Do you have a study that purports to put forward the notion that prostitution is a healthy way to approach sex? If not, back off.


Many escorts I've talked to thought they were helping people with their job, more so than just getting rid of a physical need. They told me countless stories of clients using their services to gain confidence in themselves and their sexuality then went ahead and found a girlfriend, stopped using their services then led a perfectly normal, healthy life. Some serviced handicapped people. Some helped their clients to attain the phantasms they've always dreamed of, attain some sense of accomplishment. Some even went on dates with their clients beforehand at their request so that they could get rid of some sorts of social anxiety, social phobia or plain ol' shyness.

Sounds like a lot of anecdotal opinion to me. So um... back off ith your nonsense.


From what I've gleaned, the prostitutes themselves were perfectly normal, balanced people. It isn't all street walkin', lady.

Maybe read a book like Brothel: Mustang Ranch and Its Women and then get back to me about how they are all perfectly normal, balanced people. And when did I ever say anything whatsoever about streetwalking. In fact, I specifically mentioned how licensed prostitution works in Nevada. Learn to read a little closer maybe.

-edited. -Emerald Dream

LouBerry
September 6th, 2013, 08:43 PM
I don't see why it's such a bad thing. I mean, there aren't many girls who just have one partner, most like to sleep around, which is okay, but I mean, might as well get paid for it. I mean, like Harry said, there are negative aspects, pimps that beat women, women getting treated as slaves, all that, but you can't stop it from happening. Go to a big city like New York or Chicago, you'll find plenty of prostitutes, and most of them are treated badly. At least if it was legal, they could call the police or something without ratting themselves out.

Jean Poutine
September 6th, 2013, 09:39 PM
Nonsense? Since when is someone's opinion nonsense? Do you have a study that purports to put forward the notion that prostitution is a healthy way to approach sex? If not, back off.

Easy. I don't need a study. Do you know what sex surrogates are?

Prostitutes can accomplish much the same role.

But if you insist. (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2007.00452.x/abstract?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=&userIsAuthenticated=false) (amusingly, male sex surrogates this time). Or hey, just visit the IPSA website. http://www.surrogatetherapy.org/

Sounds like a lot of anecdotal opinion to me. So um... back off ith your nonsense.

You have anything similar? Ever talked to whores? Interviewed them?

Again, sex surrogates. The benefits of intelligently employed prostitution are evident.

PS : I like it when people repeat my words.

Maybe read a book like Brothel: Mustang Ranch and Its Women and then get back to me about how they are all perfectly normal, balanced people. And when did I ever say anything whatsoever about streetwalking. In fact, I specifically mentioned how licensed prostitution works in Nevada. Learn to read a little closer maybe.

First, I never said all of them were sane. I said those I had the chance to interact with (a substantial number) were.

Second, yeah, books...talk to them maybe? You cannot learn to know a person via a book. I have talked with many at length. Especially when the book's premise is a fucked up brothel in the first place. That's like me saying Americans are all crazy gun-toting whackjobs after reading an NRA pamphlet.

Third, that was a joke.

Crazy mentally ill prostitutes are an unfounded stereotype, way to go!

-edited. -Emerald Dream

Poisonberry
September 6th, 2013, 09:51 PM
Easy. I don't need a study. Do you know what sex surrogates are?

Prostitutes can accomplish much the same role.

But if you insist. (http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2007.00452.x/abstract?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=&userIsAuthenticated=false) (amusingly, male sex surrogates this time). Or hey, just visit the IPSA website. http://www.surrogatetherapy.org/



You have anything similar? Ever talked to whores? Interviewed them?

Again, sex surrogates. The benefits of intelligently employed prostitution are evident.

PS : I like it when people repeat my words.



First, I never said all of them were sane. I said those I had the chance to interact with (a substantial number) were.

Second, yeah, books...talk to them maybe? You cannot learn to know a person via a book. I have talked with many at length.

Third, that was a joke.

Crazy mentally ill prostitutes are an unfounded stereotype, way to go!


You demand a study but don't feel the need to provide one yourself. You come off like a pompous jerk and expect anyone is even going to bother with you, which in this case is done because I highly doubt you even possess the anecdotal "evidence" you claim. I also highly doubt the girlfriend claim unless she has no self-esteem or for some reason keeps you around for amusement.

Bye now. :)

Jean Poutine
September 6th, 2013, 10:00 PM
You demand a study but don't feel the need to provide one yourself. You come off like a pompous jerk and expect anyone is even going to bother with you, which in this case is done because I highly doubt you even possess the anecdotal "evidence" you claim.

I demand and I provided. I guess what I read in that PISA pamphlet is true ; Americans are really bad at reading!

Here is that big, non-formatted link just for you!

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2007.00452.x/abstract?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=&userIsAuthenticated=false

That's just one of many studies supportive of surrogacy which in turn is supportive of prostitution done by any one with an iota of common sense and social skills. You can doubt that I possess any evidence if you want to. You have no proof to the contrary and I'm certainly not gonna give you any personal info. However, people acting in good faith find the accused innocent until proven guilty. What I see however is somebody running away by throwing abuse at me.

I also highly doubt the girlfriend claim unless she has no self-esteem or for some reason keeps you around for amusement.

If I had any self-esteem problem I would provide you with a photo.

But I don't.

Bye now. :)

You for real?

James Bond
September 6th, 2013, 10:05 PM
I think as a business, if it's done in controlled environments, with vetted customers and protection it's fine, I know someone who paid for university by simply having the 3 same clients every week and making 200 quid per person.

But I do agree that their are horrible aspects such as men beating the women up etc
I agree ^


There's a business in Australia that actually has escorts available, and its very safe, and its controlled.

Abyssal Echo
September 6th, 2013, 10:36 PM
I think as a business, if it's done in controlled environments, with vetted customers and protection it's fine, I know someone who paid for university by simply having the 3 same clients every week and making 200 quid per person.

But I do agree that their are horrible aspects such as men beating the women up etc

I agree ^


There's a business in Australia that actually has escorts available, and its very safe, and its controlled.

I agree with both of you.
The U.S. has spent Millions fighting prostitution and its still here. I don't know why it isn't legal. run it like any other business. it seems to work in other countries.

Jess
September 6th, 2013, 10:40 PM
It should be legal, for reasons already mentioned in this thread.

Sir Suomi
September 6th, 2013, 10:52 PM
All I know is that there'll be one hell of a shit storm from the religious community if it became legal nationally. Would the Federal government have jurisdiction on that?

whatsgoinon53
September 6th, 2013, 11:17 PM
Question for people that I've been wondering a while: why is prostitution such a terrible thing?

Putting aside horrible things such as mistreated women, diseases, rape etc. But why is the act itself - sex for money - bad?

The only reason I can see is that sex has become this awful taboo thing that must take place in the secret darkness of a marriage bed. Which is ridiculous, not only is sex a completely natural thing it improves your health. Apparently (http://www.forbes.com/2003/10/08/cz_af_1008health.html) someone with a steady and healthy sex life has a reduced risk of heart disease, increased overall fitness, reduced risk of depression, and less frequent colds and flu. If you do not have a partner why should you not pay money for a service beneficial to your overall health? It's like going to the doctor - you give them money to willingly perform surgery on you for your health, you give a prostitute money to willingly have sex with you for your health.

As for women selling their bodies, isn't that what models do? Laborers?

If you put it like that, why is the concept of sex for money so difficult for people to accept?

I guess when you put it that way it sounds reasonable but I still believe that it's wrong. I dislike the idea that Prostitutes are willing to offer nothing but their body for money. Who knows what the guy is going to do to that girl he just payed $50 for.

I'm a Christian and that is definitely affecting my answer because we're told, straight up, that prostitution is wrong and impure. Some people would think of it as a public service but I completely disagree with them. Prostitution should come to a stop as soon as possible in my opinion.

likemike
September 6th, 2013, 11:46 PM
There is a place in Australia I think where the men go into a building, choose a girl for sex , get tested and then have safe monitored sex. That is prositution done right. If all prostitution was like that then it would probably be legal already, but its not. There is a website where a guy interviews prostitutes who are selling their bodies to fuel their crack addictions. Its dangerous and rough, pimps and child prostitution are really bad.

the mystical shaman
September 7th, 2013, 12:44 AM
It can't be taxed, the government can't profit from it.

Poisonberry
September 7th, 2013, 02:30 AM
There is a place in Australia I think where the men go into a building, choose a girl for sex , get tested and then have safe monitored sex. That is prositution done right. If all prostitution was like that then it would probably be legal already, but its not. There is a website where a guy interviews prostitutes who are selling their bodies to fuel their crack addictions. Its dangerous and rough, pimps and child prostitution are really bad.

In Nevada the women are tested before beginning employment and every month thereafter. AFAIK there are no documented cases of STDs among them.

It can't be taxed, the government can't profit from it.

This makes no sense. Of course if it's a regulated industry it can be taxed and the government can make money from it. I hesitate to say "profit" because government can seem to spend the money they take from us faster than they can take it so I doubt there would be any profit.

janman1
September 7th, 2013, 02:39 AM
It is absolutely wrong and not normal to do. No one should sell their body for money, period.

likemike
September 7th, 2013, 08:04 AM
It is absolutely wrong and not normal to do. No one should sell their body for money, period.

Prostitution is one of the oldest professions in the world. This summer i visited pompeii and they carved penises in the ground pointing to the brothels and whore houses so that even if you didnt speak their language you could still get prostitutes

Poisonberry
September 7th, 2013, 09:54 PM
Prostitution is one of the oldest professions in the world. This summer i visited pompeii and they carved penises in the ground pointing to the brothels and whore houses so that even if you didnt speak their language you could still get prostitutes

Just because something's been done for a long time doesn't make it right. Take murder for example...

Twilly F. Sniper
September 7th, 2013, 10:03 PM
It should be legal, for reasons already mentioned in this thread.

Exactly.

britishboy
September 8th, 2013, 04:00 AM
should be legal but I don't recommend it

Vlerchan
September 8th, 2013, 07:20 AM
I think people are misunderstanding the reasoning behind the legalisation argument. It's not to make prostitution more accessible to the wider public but rather to make the occupation safer for the one million-ish American individuals (http://www.bayswan.org/stats.html) working the sex industry. It should, in short, be decriminalized, the men and woman unionized and then the occupation itself regulated for reasons already outlined by others. And, in turn, pimping and unregulated prostitution should be cracked down on hard. The actual statistics I linked make an argument on their own.

I suppose for the capitalistic minded here I should point out that taxing prostitution would net huge revenue for the government - roughly 1% of the American public working as prostitutes - though I won't concentrate on that seeing as I'd consider it more a Rights issue - individuals should have the right to do as they wish with their own bodies as long as, in the process, they are not infringing on the rights of any other individual.

Just because something's been done for a long time doesn't make it right. Take murder for example...
You're not seriously trying to compare sex to murder?

Poisonberry
September 8th, 2013, 07:54 PM
You're not seriously trying to compare sex to murder?

Um... not remotely. I'm mocking the idea that because something has been done for a long time means it's ok.

Could have used women not being able to vote, slavery, or any of a number of other things.

For you to have misconstrued what I said to that extend makes me think you're just looking for opportunities to argue. If so, please don't bother me with it, as I will not take the time to untangle your convoluted interpretation of my words any more.

janman1
September 9th, 2013, 02:04 AM
Prostitution is one of the oldest professions in the world. This summer i visited pompeii and they carved penises in the ground pointing to the brothels and whore houses so that even if you didnt speak their language you could still get prostitutes

That didn't make it any good though. It doesn't matter whether the whole world does it together, its still wrong. No matter how long it has been here and who does it, it will be turn it to be a good act.

Vlerchan
September 9th, 2013, 02:37 AM
Um... not remotely. I'm mocking the idea that because something has been done for a long time means it's ok.

Could have used women not being able to vote, slavery, or any of a number of other things.

My point was that you were blowing prostitution so ridiculously out of proportion be even attempting to compare the immortality of its past use to murder. And, even then, murder was never something legally practiced - unlike prostitution - so your point holds little meaning in the context.

Your other two examples happen to be rights that were denied to individuals - like the right to openly and legally practice prostitution. A select few individuals finding an occupation reprehensible or dirty shouldn't be grounds to ban it - I want an argument other than 'it's icky!'

Poisonberry
September 9th, 2013, 03:02 AM
I want an argument other than 'it's icky!'

Um... who cares?


One last time and then I search for the "block" button.

The argument for why it should be ok was that it was the oldest profession. This is a shit argument as the length of time something has been practiced has no bearing whatsoever on the validity of the practice. Thus, people have been killing each other for a long, long time, however this doesn't make it ok.

If you can continue to misunderstand what I said at this point you're completely hopeless in my opinion and I will block you instead of reading your inane interpretations of what I've said.

Further, if you'd really read the thread I have also said I think if it was regulated as it is in Nevada it would be ok. My only reason to respond to the "oldest profession" argument was to point out that it had no validity.

Good luck understanding this time, it's your last chance.

BuryYourFlame
September 9th, 2013, 06:01 AM
It is absolutely wrong and not normal to do. No one should sell their body for money, period.
Why? You're in a debate forum.
As far as 'normal' goes, which standard are you using? How do you know what is and isn't normal?
It's ridiculous that people want to control what goes on between consensual adults just because money is involved.
If you couldn't tell I'm completely fine with prostitution as long as all safe practices are set. Many of the additional reasons are outlined by Tony, but it basically comes down to people being able to do what they want with their own bodies.

Human
September 9th, 2013, 04:04 PM
I think if the trade could be controlled then it wouldn't be as risky potentially exposing prostitutes to diseases and abuse, for example in the porn industry actors take regular check ups, that could be implemented here.

TheDeepestDepths
September 9th, 2013, 04:15 PM
Wow, I hadn't realized this thread had been resurrected.

It is absolutely wrong and not normal to do. No one should sell their body for money, period.

But isn't that what models do? Are they abnormal for their job? How about laborers? How is selling your body for sex different to selling it because you're good-looking or strong and capable of doing hard labor?

What makes it "not normal"? I don't understand what you're trying to say here. That it's in some way perverse?

the good sex life = good health argument is rubbish, you can have gfs

oh and would you sleep with someone who has slept with countless other strangers after her last sexual health test?

What if someone only wants to invest the huge amount of time, money and effort a relationship can take on someone they're going to marry but haven't met her yet? Are they to just go without sex? Resort to one night stands where you also have to expend a lot of effort into convincing someone to go home with you?

There's nothing wrong with prostitution. It follows the laws of the free market. As long as there's a willing buyer, there will be a willing seller somewhere. Escorts where I live absolutely insist on safe sex, and I suspect the street prostitutes do too. There are plenty of escort services here but I've never seen a street prostitute in my life and I live in a pretty big city. All the escorts I've interviewed had "real jobs" and did it on the side with few clients. They had absolute freedom of choice and independent escorts in particular seemed to have the big end of the stick.

[...]

There, prostitution summed up and fixed in a single post. Worship me later. It's something that always interested me a lot as a future criminal lawyer so I've done a bit of independent research and legwork, hence "they told me so and so".

Forgive me if I don't quote your whole post, but you basically summed up everything I feel about the whole industry. It's great that you've actually talked to the workers about it - in an industry like prostitution other people seem to forget that the prostitutes are actual people and they can tell you what it's like.

Synyster Shadows
September 9th, 2013, 05:23 PM
Well I don't know much about this but judging from the arguments I've seen presented, I agree that it's not bad in itself. It's when the abuse and STD's come into play. But if it was well-controlled and made legal, as somebody said, so they could call the police without getting busted, should they need to, I think it's fine. It's their choice. They can choose to do it if they want to. I support this.

Kuurachan
September 9th, 2013, 08:10 PM
It creeps me out. to me sex is meant to be done between 2 people in a loving relationship, not pleasure for money. If not then it's like a woman or guy doesn't respect himself or his body to give it to strangers. That's just my opinion though.

Poisonberry
September 9th, 2013, 11:08 PM
It's great that you've actually talked to the workers about it - in an industry like prostitution other people seem to forget that the prostitutes are actual people and they can tell you what it's like.

Do you actually believe that? I find it hard to believe at 22 he's talked to a vast number of escorts, unless he's been their client, which he claims he hasn't. Of course there's no way to prove otherwise but the access simply isn't there for the claim he makes to be true.

There is quite a lot of information about sex workers available and many of them don't feel that what they're doing is in any way harmful, and that's fine, from what I know of the subject that is true in many cases.

However, there are women that are essentially forced into it and others that get into sex work because of the money that can be made and end up damaged as a result.

My distaste for prostitution comes more from a concern for the men that utilize them. As far as the women I think they should be allowed to do as they please with their body. The men OTOH are not, in my opinion, engaging is a healthy, mentally/socially speaking, transaction.


It creeps me out. to me sex is meant to be done between 2 people in a loving relationship, not pleasure for money. If not then it's like a woman or guy doesn't respect himself or his body to give it to strangers. That's just my opinion though.

I won't tell you that your opinion is wrong, it's yours and you're certainly allowed to have it. My reaction to it though is that all you have to do is not become a prostitute and you'll be fine, but if you want to limit others options because you find it distasteful is something I'd take issue with.

Kuurachan
September 10th, 2013, 09:48 AM
Do you actually believe that? I find it hard to believe at 22 he's talked to a vast number of escorts, unless he's been their client, which he claims he hasn't. Of course there's no way to prove otherwise but the access simply isn't there for the claim he makes to be true.

There is quite a lot of information about sex workers available and many of them don't feel that what they're doing is in any way harmful, and that's fine, from what I know of the subject that is true in many cases.

However, there are women that are essentially forced into it and others that get into sex work because of the money that can be made and end up damaged as a result.

My distaste for prostitution comes more from a concern for the men that utilize them. As far as the women I think they should be allowed to do as they please with their body. The men OTOH are not, in my opinion, engaging is a healthy, mentally/socially speaking, transaction.




I won't tell you that your opinion is wrong, it's yours and you're certainly allowed to have it. My reaction to it though is that all you have to do is not become a prostitute and you'll be fine, but if you want to limit others options because you find it distasteful is something I'd take issue with.

Everybody has a choice in what they do and how they live, and obviously I don't think they're less than me for it, I just don't agree with it.

BuryYourFlame
September 10th, 2013, 05:11 PM
My distaste for prostitution comes more from a concern for the men that utilize them. As far as the women I think they should be allowed to do as they please with their body. The men OTOH are not, in my opinion, engaging is a healthy, mentally/socially speaking, transaction.

Okay, I've seen some of your posts in other threads and have a lot of respect for you there, but this doesn't add up to me.

Are you suggesting it's fine for women to be prostitutes but it's bad for guys to utilise this service? I may have misread what you were saying though.

Celtic.
September 10th, 2013, 07:21 PM
I don't think it's the government's job to provide people with sex.but its Legal in vegas

Happyguy1
September 11th, 2013, 02:21 PM
I see nothing wrong with either sex being paid for sex.
In Vegas its a taxable income and I don't know what the actual crime statistics are but bet they are lower than average.
I also believe that it keeps rape down.
I know its not everyones idea of a profession but some actually enjoy it , having said that there is a seedy side to it also from what I see on TV with sex slaves etc.
Now that I don't agree with.
Its an interesting topic for shure.

Poisonberry
September 13th, 2013, 04:51 AM
Okay, I've seen some of your posts in other threads and have a lot of respect for you there, but this doesn't add up to me.

Are you suggesting it's fine for women to be prostitutes but it's bad for guys to utilise this service? I may have misread what you were saying though.

Thank you James, I appreciate that.

I certainly wouldn't recommend prostitution as a career path for anyone, but I think people have the right to do with their body as they please. If prostitution is going to happen I think it needs to be done as it is in Nevada. It may not be perfect, but I haven't seen a better system to protect sex workers.

As for men, I don't think utilizing a prostitute is a (mentally) healthy way to go. But there are many things people would be better off not doing that are legal, like cigarettes or alcohol. So essentially yes, you understand my position.


but its Legal in vegas

This is incorrect. It is legal in some counties in Nevada, the one Las Vegas is in is not one of them.

badthoughts
September 19th, 2013, 01:06 PM
I don't think it's the government's job to provide people with sex.

I agree. It's the pimp's and ho's job.

darthearth
September 23rd, 2013, 02:59 PM
I don't see anything wrong with it. Making it legal and socially acceptable might get it off the streets and into more discreet private settings where it belongs.

Edgarr
September 24th, 2013, 01:25 AM
Nothing should be done for money, instead (because its possible) people should have standard education wich makes them willing to be creative and consider everyone getting supported without fear conditioning.

But consider money is needed, and the girl wants to have sex with those who have social or sexual problems (needs not met basicly), and suppose not many girls are like this somewhere, So She must work almost all day thus She has no option to have income from other source. This girl will perhaps charge less.

Another type of (usually girl) who will see it as possible easy for her to get money while She choses to have sex with those who She already finds attractive.

Another girl is who have no other options.

Another one is similar to above, but forced in more direct ways into prostitution like threathening.


Problem with prostitution where i live is that the price is too high, and probably they are taxed by some criminal group, since it is a must need to have sex with attractive individuals and people will be willing to pay some more then to satisfy other needs.


As a sidenote, people are forced otherwise into uncomfortable behavior at least in europe for example during vaginal birth.


Basicly if all the individuals needs are met then all of them are happy, and then it is good for all of them as long as such a state would be preserved.