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The Chameleon
August 6th, 2012, 06:26 PM
I read somewhere that they were making child pornography legal in New York. First; is this true, and second; do you think this is wrong I sure do.

Professional Russian
August 6th, 2012, 06:38 PM
Ah well its illegal i think its obvious unless im missing something and ofcourse its wrong. it would make bullying in schools worse if people saw someone from their school doing it.

Dake
August 6th, 2012, 06:51 PM
i don't know if its legal but its wrong !

Princess Ariel
August 6th, 2012, 07:01 PM
Regardless if it's legal or not. It is disgusting. They are fucking children and have no idea what they are doing. Who knows if they even want it or if it was forced upon it. Even adult porn is sickening. People sit in front of the computer and watch porn jacking off instead of going outside and finding a man/woman.
It should be illegal. Period. Even adult. What's going to happen when one of these "porn stars" goes outside? Everybody is going to WANT something.

just my two cents.

FreeFall
August 6th, 2012, 07:07 PM
I doubt it'll be legal. Pornstars have to be 18, or at least age of consent. What happens if someone rapes a child and video tapes it? Cases of rape versus we were making porn would be hard to prove wouldn't it? I'm asking, it is my opinion but I'm not sure about it. If ever it becomes it legal, it's sick and there are better things for lawmakers to be focusing to make legal. Child porn should never be one of them.

Jose
August 6th, 2012, 07:14 PM
Not to my hnowledge child porn illegal by us federal law so no state can change it it is also illegal in almst 99 percent of the world an child porn is WRONG

Jess
August 6th, 2012, 09:34 PM
no, it won't be made legal. it's just wrong wrong wrong, and not to mention disgusting. it's going to stay illegal

LatinaVivit
August 6th, 2012, 09:49 PM
Eww that's disgusting! I really hope that it doesn't become legal.

Christine.
August 7th, 2012, 12:43 AM
Difinitely not legal, never will be. And of course it's wrong

PleasureMe7777
August 7th, 2012, 12:47 AM
That is 10000% wrong!!!!! I could shoot people that do that to children!

HunterSteele
August 7th, 2012, 12:53 AM
I don't feel like Googling it but I don't really need to. There's no way they would be legalizing it-- it would be like legalizing murder. You heard a rumor.

Sheriff Romero
August 7th, 2012, 12:56 AM
That's sick ! How could this happen!? I don't think it can and hope it can't!
They should be legalizing something useful like medical based cannabis

Jupiter
August 7th, 2012, 12:56 AM
I don't feel like Googling it but I don't really need to. There's no way they would be legalizing it-- it would be like legalizing murder. You heard a rumor.

i don't see how child porn can be compared to murder

RElk
August 7th, 2012, 01:16 AM
No way this could ever be legal! That is just sooo wrong! It's a Federal law and a state can't overturn that.

PinkFloyd
August 7th, 2012, 01:20 AM
that's not good... I hope it's not for real :(

LikeAJay
August 7th, 2012, 01:52 AM
if this is true there making drinks smaller but letting child porn. that is comlete sick.

Abigballofdust
August 7th, 2012, 04:36 AM
There's no way you could ever possibly legalize child porn. Period.
You heard a rumor or overheard a different information.
Only thing that makes somewhat sense is legalizing porn to minors, something like Germany has (although they sell only softcore to 16 or older and hardcore to 18+) or legalizing depictions of child porn (anime style mostly) which are a subject of debate since they pose no risk to anybody because no child was hurt in the making of.
I read somewhere that America had an underage pornstar back in the '60s (or later?!) and that it was legal around that time but got banned later so I doubt they would allow underage (jailbait) pornstars again.

Empty Spaces
August 7th, 2012, 05:01 AM
It will never be legal because it's disgusting and wrong on so many levels.

JimmyIsNowAMan
August 7th, 2012, 07:13 AM
child porn is sick...the act itself, the old men who do it and everyone who makes the porn and sells it...just sick.

Pipo
August 7th, 2012, 09:54 AM
That's sick ! How could this happen!? I don't think it can and hope it can't!
They should be legalizing something useful like medical based cannabis

It's America anything can happen :D

Heavyrain4life
August 7th, 2012, 09:42 PM
It's America anything can happen :D

Thats a really positive thought. But you had to have heard a rumor (or maybe you just want peoples thoughts on it and didn't want to sound like a pedo. Im just sayin.) And no, it will never be legalized. Possibly made legal at 16, but never beneath that. And it is wrong, on many levels. It will be not be legalized (in my opinion) because it would be difficult to actually prove there was no consent. Much of the time, the child has been threatened beforehand that if they dont pretend to like it, they'll kill them. And the reason I know all this is because my friends dad works in the SVU. (Special Victims Unit.)

Iris
August 7th, 2012, 09:50 PM
Creating child pornography is always going to be illegal. That's never going to change. But there is some truth in the OP's claims. (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/viewing-child-pornography-online-constitute-possession-court-rules-article-1.1074834?localLinksEnabled=false) I'm honestly really surprised. Watching a 12 year old being raped should never be ok. If the producers of this shit don't have viewers, they'll stop creating it. Seems like a stupid move on New York's part.

WaffleSingSong
August 7th, 2012, 11:45 PM
Personally, I do not like the idea of child porn. And even if it was legal, there would be tons of messed up stories about teenagers getting AIDS and what-not and it would shut down eventually.

However, Not saying it should but, back then being gay was almost a satanic thing back in the ye'ol days, in the next 50 years we really do not know what is going to be accepted next. So, I do not want to see it legal, but you never know in the future.

Stronger
August 7th, 2012, 11:54 PM
I read somewhere that they were making child pornography legal in New York. First; is this true, and second; do you think this is wrong I sure do.

Where in the world did you hear such a dumb thing? It will never become legal, what sick person would allow that?

Human
August 9th, 2012, 08:48 AM
I wouldn't mind being a pornstar at this age... straight from the horses mouth mwuahahaha

just kidding slightly, it shouldn't be legalised

Jean Poutine
August 9th, 2012, 09:33 PM
Creating child pornography is always going to be illegal. That's never going to change. But there is some truth in the OP's claims. (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/viewing-child-pornography-online-constitute-possession-court-rules-article-1.1074834?localLinksEnabled=false) I'm honestly really surprised. Watching a 12 year old being raped should never be ok. If the producers of this shit don't have viewers, they'll stop creating it. Seems like a stupid move on New York's part.

^this

The legal effect of that ruling is that images stored on your computer's cache do not "count" as possession anymore. Basically, you can butt in and view as many images from websites you'd like, and the police can't enter your cache as evidence against you. So basically you're not "possessing" anything, they just happened to be there and you can't be held liable. As long as you're not actively saving them, that's not CP possession and merely viewing is not a crime in itself.

In effect that means browsing CP websites is legal. Possessing, distributing and producing are still illegal. A rather crude comparison is having the act of prostitution be illegal but not using a prostitute.

That should be overturned soon by a higher court.

Neverender
August 9th, 2012, 10:37 PM
In my own opinion, viewing child porn should be legal, (I said Viewing, not possessing), and charges against people who make it should be based on whether the children involved have suffered any emotional harm or any physical harm.

Say for example, it's a video of some 10 year olds laughing and doing X-rated things at some sleepover, I have a hard time justifying that the person who produced it should end up in jail when they never hurt anyone.

But it all comes down to the terms of consent, and the legal issues concerning children doing things outside of the influence of an adult by their own volition and who is responsible for what, as well as what happens in the future when these are grown adults but there's a video showing them kiddy-diddling each other on the internet.



But the tl;dr version of this is: If the kids are happy and content, I don't really care. But hide your face and weep should you dare to harm a child.

Abigballofdust
August 10th, 2012, 12:46 AM
^this

The legal effect of that ruling is that images stored on your computer's cache do not "count" as possession anymore. Basically, you can butt in and view as many images from websites you'd like, and the police can't enter your cache as evidence against you. So basically you're not "possessing" anything, they just happened to be there and you can't be held liable. As long as you're not actively saving them, that's not CP possession and merely viewing is not a crime in itself.

In effect that means browsing CP websites is legal. Possessing, distributing and producing are still illegal. A rather crude comparison is having the act of prostitution be illegal but not using a prostitute.

That should be overturned soon by a higher court.

If you had ever been on image chans you'd know this is the correct thing to do.
There's multiple threads where child porn just jumps in even though nobody asks for it.
I like teen porn, not illegal, but of people my current age. Viewing such a thread on any image chan has a high probability of child porn jumping in. Whether the poster is a pedophile, a troll or somebody that thought the picture depicted somebody 18+, I'm directly involved into his criminal act by having the image stored in my cache. Do you find that correct?
Besides, if he had them in his cache only, it means he just watched them online and it wasn't meant for distribution which is somewhat positive since watching stuff online might prevent real life situations to happen, especially if the pedophile controls himself and seeks relief in children that were already harmed, avoiding harming any other children.

Stephan
August 10th, 2012, 09:23 AM
Highly doubt it..

But in other parts of the world, Japan for instance, has only recently outlawed CP.

Yet..CP can still be bought at those convenience stores, and in bookstores, street vendors, etc.

Twilly F. Sniper
August 10th, 2012, 09:31 AM
Child porn should be illegal. Unless it's just viewing your own sex from before you were 18.

Jean Poutine
August 10th, 2012, 03:31 PM
If you had ever been on image chans you'd know this is the correct thing to do.
There's multiple threads where child porn just jumps in even though nobody asks for it.
I like teen porn, not illegal, but of people my current age. Viewing such a thread on any image chan has a high probability of child porn jumping in. Whether the poster is a pedophile, a troll or somebody that thought the picture depicted somebody 18+, I'm directly involved into his criminal act by having the image stored in my cache. Do you find that correct?
Besides, if he had them in his cache only, it means he just watched them online and it wasn't meant for distribution which is somewhat positive since watching stuff online might prevent real life situations to happen, especially if the pedophile controls himself and seeks relief in children that were already harmed, avoiding harming any other children.

Your point would be good if it weren't completely moot.

All USC sections related to possessing CP have the adverb "knowingly" attached to them. For any accusation to hold, the prosecutor must prove a degree of mens rea : that you were certain that browsing barely legal porn would result in pictures of toddlers in your cache. So if you browse 4chan and some asshole posts CP you can't be held liable for it since there was no certainty as to the result of your action.

So even without that dumb ruling there would be no problem.

Noxail
August 10th, 2012, 04:31 PM
Ew. Child Porn will never be morally correct nor will it ever be safe. There is too much at risk, to run around filming little kids being raped. And lets not forget, the age of consent isn't changing, so unless the porn was produced and sold by someone under the age of eighteen, (or sixteen in some cases) the maker could still be charged for rape, and lockied in jail for a couple of years, along with a sex offender tag for the rest of his/her life. Frankly, no one is stupid enough to even try to legalize child porn. Too much conflict. End of story. And this:

Besides, if he had them in his cache only, it means he just watched them online and it wasn't meant for distribution which is somewhat positive since watching stuff online might prevent real life situations to happen, especially if the pedophile controls himself and seeks relief in children that were already harmed, avoiding harming any other children.

Is gross. Why the fuck would you 'seek relief' in a child that has ALREADY BEEN TRAMATIZED? That is a fucked up theory right there folks. ~holli

Alliegator
August 13th, 2012, 03:19 PM
It will never be legal and it's wrong. I mean the government thinks it's so wrong that they set up fake websites to catch people who want to watch child porn.

HunterSteele
August 13th, 2012, 03:33 PM
so unless the porn was produced and sold by someone under the age of eighteen, (or sixteen in some cases) the maker could still be charged for rape, and lockied in jail for a couple of years, along with a sex offender tag for the rest of his/her life.
Just to clarify, it is still illegal even if it is produced by someone under 18. That is why sexting by teenagers is illegal, because it is technically possession and distribution of child pornography.

Lovesbeingnaked
August 14th, 2012, 12:59 AM
Its obviously not true. If they were trying to lower the age to like 16 I could maybe believe it, but child porn as in any age under 17 including very young children would never happen.

Mortal Coil
August 14th, 2012, 01:09 AM
I don't know if it's true, but purely computer-generated kiddie porn could actually decrease the number of child molestation cases (it's been shown to have that effect in the Czech Republic.) Real kiddie porn, no way in hell.

anymasy
August 14th, 2012, 09:00 AM
It can't be done. It is banned by Children's rights movement's 34th article. It can't be changed.

root
August 14th, 2012, 09:02 AM
Dunno where you read it. Can you post the article or something? http://bit.ly/P9YBCv

Oh, ok so if anyone took the link, CP is legal to view in NY but you can't have it in you're possession. SOme guy had it in his cache (temp files) but did not get in trouble because of the scenario that...if person A sent person B CP but person B did not know that it was CP and took the link, then person B won't get in trouble because he did not know it was CP but still saw it. You have to had downloaded and save it or have it on you're hard drive.

Sleepy Raisin
August 14th, 2012, 03:50 PM
In my own opinion, viewing child porn should be legal, (I said Viewing, not possessing), and charges against people who make it should be based on whether the children involved have suffered any emotional harm or any physical harm.

Say for example, it's a video of some 10 year olds laughing and doing X-rated things at some sleepover, I have a hard time justifying that the person who produced it should end up in jail when they never hurt anyone.

But it all comes down to the terms of consent, and the legal issues concerning children doing things outside of the influence of an adult by their own volition and who is responsible for what, as well as what happens in the future when these are grown adults but there's a video showing them kiddy-diddling each other on the internet.



But the tl;dr version of this is: If the kids are happy and content, I don't really care. But hide your face and weep should you dare to harm a child.

Im sorry, but no. It should be illegal period.
Even if the child doednt get harmed in anyway its undoubtly WRONG.

They would be ruining their life altogether. People would recongize them. And they have nno idea what theyre doing to themselves.

And even though New York(city) is messed up in countless ways its impossible for it to be legal its a US law for child pornography to be illegal

Abigballofdust
August 14th, 2012, 05:57 PM
Im sorry, but no. It should be illegal period.
Even if the child doednt get harmed in anyway its undoubtly WRONG.

They would be ruining their life altogether. People would recongize them. And they have nno idea what theyre doing to themselves.

And even though New York(city) is messed up in countless ways its impossible for it to be legal its a US law for child pornography to be illegal

I think all the effort in stopping and sentencing the ones who only watch should be redirected to finding and sentencing the ones who post and the ones who film. Those are rarely caught since it's far easier to just upload some random files, call them '8 yr old sucking his babysitters dick' (god that's awful), wait for people to download it and then track them down.

Human
August 14th, 2012, 09:02 PM
you guys seem to have differing definitions of child porn, it isn't always babies being raped by 40 year old men. it could be two 15 year olds trading pictures with each other, or a kid recording himself masturbating and posting it on the internet.
child porn isn't always a horrible disgusting act.
as long as there is proof the child/teenager hasn't been hurt in any way it's okay imo

Jaysonn
August 16th, 2012, 05:13 PM
It's just wrong.

madmicah
August 17th, 2012, 03:20 PM
in my eyes its not but i need a fuck buddy

tytf
November 2nd, 2012, 11:30 PM
agree

Mirage
November 3rd, 2012, 12:07 AM
agree

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